CP3 in the last 5 games, 46 assists 1 TO

[jsierra1985]

Point God.

Any negativity on his playing can not be taken serious.

[NADALalot]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

That's a bad thing? Substance > Flash.

I've previously argued that because he never forces things, he's never been able to push his team that far in the playoffs.

The lack of risk taking, or lack of ability/will to force things means his value doesn't result in the sort of heights a LeBron, Kobe or [insert superstar contemporary] achieved and works as a sort of hard ceiling on what CP3 teams are capable of.

Though CP3 is probably cerebral enough to know this. He would IF he could, but he can't, so he won't.

I think his final few moments of game 7 against Houston when he had Covington switched into him on the perimeter but decided to pass it to Dort instead of breaking Covington down and finding a shot sorta encapsulates this.

But what about when Paul played for Houston and they pushed GS to Game 7? They only lost because Paul DNP and Harden went 2-13 downtown and Gordon 2-12.....so that at least proves that Houston were the best team in the NBA (if Paul had played that Game 7).

[JN61]

He passed Magic on the assist list tonight!!!

Damn right. Looks like he will be taking over Mark Jackson and Nash. Dont think he will pass Kidd tho.

I hope he will be the first to reach the 20k pt, 10k assist club.

As of now this seems almost a done deal. With current point production Paul needs about <20 games while James needs over 40 games for the assists with his current assist production and he is more likely to miss several games before he is back. Great feather for Paul's hat, he doesn't have many records or first to ever do something but this is remarkable feat.

[JN61]

That's a bad thing? Substance > Flash.

I've previously argued that because he never forces things, he's never been able to push his team that far in the playoffs.

The lack of risk taking, or lack of ability/will to force things means his value doesn't result in the sort of heights a LeBron, Kobe or [insert superstar contemporary] achieved and works as a sort of hard ceiling on what CP3 teams are capable of.

Though CP3 is probably cerebral enough to know this. He would IF he could, but he can't, so he won't.

I think his final few moments of game 7 against Houston when he had Covington switched into him on the perimeter but decided to pass it to Dort instead of breaking Covington down and finding a shot sorta encapsulates this.

But what about when Paul played for Houston and they pushed GS to Game 7? They only lost because Paul DNP and Harden went 2-13 downtown and Gordon 2-12.....so that at least proves that Houston were the best team in the NBA (if Paul had played that Game 7).

Many other players have suffered of similar injury woes yet they don't catch a break. It is just what it is. People remember what they want and usually twist their memory to suit their agenda.

[queridiculo]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

Man, I wonder why there aren't more players thinking of this approach!

[og15]

He passed Magic on the assist list tonight!!!

Yeah but I read in this thread that CP3 only throws easy passes so he didn’t really pass Magic. In fact his passes are so easy any NBA player could have those numbers. I’ll never understand why a guy who makes passes that lead to scores should even be mentioned honestly. Stockton really just had to pass to Malone and any of us could do that.

Well to be fair to Stockton, who else was he gonna pass the ball to? Mark Eaton? When you think about it, it's incredible that the dude had the career he had with the mailman and is the all time leader in assists+steals. No doubt if Magic didn't get HIV I think he would've had the assist record on lock down. It didn't help that Stockton&Malone played in a less than desirable small market making it difficult to attract FA. They did get Jeff Hornacek even though he retired after 2000.

CP3 though if it weren't for injuries which have caused him to miss over 180 games during his career combined with rotten luck whether it was a broke owner in NOLA, two young, talented but immature dudes in Griffin+DJ in which Griffin was injured with CP3 a lot ruining potentially great seasons and an inept coach/GM in Doc or in Houston where injuries wrecked him in 2018, dealing with a cheapskate owner in Fertitta and Harden throwing a hissy fit that resulted in CP3 being sent to OKC. If it all came together maybe he would've had a ring by now but oh well.

It'll be fun to see how things unwind in the valley and whether he breaks through or not. Either way when it's all said and done he'll be #3 in assists, maybe #2 if he plays a few more years and #3 in steals if he keeps it up. He's #5 in steals behind Gary Payton.

I think you really missed the sarcasm here

[JJ_PR]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

Dude is one of the greatest passers of all time. What are you on about?

[Fencer reregistered]

I'm still amazed that Houston basically traded CP3 for John Wall.

[MambaVenom24]

Impressive feat by the veteran, I was on deron williams train in the utah days but boy he did CP3 showed up big time and time again, he never packed it in, no matter what awful situation has been thrown at him. I don't understand how you can say his style never translates to wins, I can stay and ramble for days for the vetoed trade but I'm not going to

When CP3 is in the zone, and that happens a lot I get the Billups detroit vibes from him in the way he manipulates the game on both ends. I think they have that IT factor of controlling the pace of the game from teammates, opponents, the refs or crowd, I love it , not the flopping tho .

[MoneyTalks41890]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

Don't mind me, I'm just here for the ratio.

[Lockdown504090]

That's a bad thing? Substance > Flash.

I've previously argued that because he never forces things, he's never been able to push his team that far in the playoffs.

The lack of risk taking, or lack of ability/will to force things means his value doesn't result in the sort of heights a LeBron, Kobe or [insert superstar contemporary] achieved

Nah, bad injury luck and poor team depth is the only reason CP3 never got a ring so far. His style is extremely translatable to playoff wins.

the over half a foot of height might do it as well.

[Bergmaniac]

He is amazing and still so underrated. What he's doing at this age and while being way undersized by NBA standards is incredible. He always manages to create really good offense without taking unnecessary risks, which is also incredible. Every other player with high assist numbers in the league averages a lot of turnovers. Only he keeps them low and still leads a top offense year in year out.

[madmaxmedia]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

That's a bad thing? Substance > Flash.

I've previously argued that because he never forces things, he's never been able to push his team that far in the playoffs.

The lack of risk taking, or lack of ability/will to force things means his value doesn't result in the sort of heights a LeBron, Kobe or [insert superstar contemporary] achieved and works as a sort of hard ceiling on what CP3 teams are capable of.

Though CP3 is probably cerebral enough to know this. He would IF he could, but he can't, so he won't.

I think his final few moments of game 7 against Houston when he had Covington switched into him on the perimeter but decided to pass it to Dort instead of breaking Covington down and finding a shot sorta encapsulates this.

Substance and Flash are not mutually exclusive.

Threading the needle to a cutter who has a gimme if the pass reaches him is a good play, even if there's say a 30% chance it will get deflected or miss the target.

But regardless, 46:1 assist to turnover ratio over a stretch of games is still awfully impressive, but I haven't watched any of them so can't judge his play. They are 4-1 over that stretch.

[DreamTeam09]

thats like a 9-1 A/T ratio which is crazii to me. He's at his best when he's scoring tho. That goes for all the pass-first PGs and a lot of scoring PGs should look to get their A/T ratio up up

[og15]

I've previously argued that because he never forces things, he's never been able to push his team that far in the playoffs.

The lack of risk taking, or lack of ability/will to force things means his value doesn't result in the sort of heights a LeBron, Kobe or [insert superstar contemporary] achieved

Nah, bad injury luck and poor team depth is the only reason CP3 never got a ring so far. His style is extremely translatable to playoff wins.

the over half a foot of height might do it as well.

Yea, I don't really think there's any special analysis required to understand why Paul can't do what guys like Kobe and LeBron can do in terms of forcing things. Even if we take away the height difference, which obviously we can't, there's also the athleticism difference relative to size for Paul after his early career knee injury. Paul was no longer blazing fast or specifically explosive after the injury, so he's scoring, breaking down the defense, etc off skill.

Look at what happened to Isaiah Thomas after he lost his athleticism and explosiveness due to injury, for a small guy, it's going to hurt more. He went from 29 ppg player to journey man at 28 years old.

[Memories]

Not that impressive , he always makes easy passes. Nothing fancy, or slick, he's a boring passer that always passes to open or weakly guarder people in direct line of sight.

That's literally...what a point guard/floor general does...is this serious?

EVERY TEAM in the NBA would kill for a player that does their job like CP3.

[slicedbread2]

Yeah but I read in this thread that CP3 only throws easy passes so he didn’t really pass Magic. In fact his passes are so easy any NBA player could have those numbers. I’ll never understand why a guy who makes passes that lead to scores should even be mentioned honestly. Stockton really just had to pass to Malone and any of us could do that.

Well to be fair to Stockton, who else was he gonna pass the ball to? Mark Eaton? When you think about it, it's incredible that the dude had the career he had with the mailman and is the all time leader in assists+steals. No doubt if Magic didn't get HIV I think he would've had the assist record on lock down. It didn't help that Stockton&Malone played in a less than desirable small market making it difficult to attract FA. They did get Jeff Hornacek even though he retired after 2000.

CP3 though if it weren't for injuries which have caused him to miss over 180 games during his career combined with rotten luck whether it was a broke owner in NOLA, two young, talented but immature dudes in Griffin+DJ in which Griffin was injured with CP3 a lot ruining potentially great seasons and an inept coach/GM in Doc or in Houston where injuries wrecked him in 2018, dealing with a cheapskate owner in Fertitta and Harden throwing a hissy fit that resulted in CP3 being sent to OKC. If it all came together maybe he would've had a ring by now but oh well.

It'll be fun to see how things unwind in the valley and whether he breaks through or not. Either way when it's all said and done he'll be #3 in assists, maybe #2 if he plays a few more years and #3 in steals if he keeps it up. He's #5 in steals behind Gary Payton.

I think you really missed the sarcasm here

my bad! oh well could be worse!

[Michael Jackson]

Well to be fair to Stockton, who else was he gonna pass the ball to? Mark Eaton? When you think about it, it's incredible that the dude had the career he had with the mailman and is the all time leader in assists+steals. No doubt if Magic didn't get HIV I think he would've had the assist record on lock down. It didn't help that Stockton&Malone played in a less than desirable small market making it difficult to attract FA. They did get Jeff Hornacek even though he retired after 2000.

CP3 though if it weren't for injuries which have caused him to miss over 180 games during his career combined with rotten luck whether it was a broke owner in NOLA, two young, talented but immature dudes in Griffin+DJ in which Griffin was injured with CP3 a lot ruining potentially great seasons and an inept coach/GM in Doc or in Houston where injuries wrecked him in 2018, dealing with a cheapskate owner in Fertitta and Harden throwing a hissy fit that resulted in CP3 being sent to OKC. If it all came together maybe he would've had a ring by now but oh well.

It'll be fun to see how things unwind in the valley and whether he breaks through or not. Either way when it's all said and done he'll be #3 in assists, maybe #2 if he plays a few more years and #3 in steals if he keeps it up. He's #5 in steals behind Gary Payton.

I think you really missed the sarcasm here

my bad! oh well could be worse!

Lol yeah I don’t post on the GB often but I am general dripping with sarcasm in all my posts. I had a lonely childhood and had to talk to myself a lot.

[slicedbread2]

I think you really missed the sarcasm here

my bad! oh well could be worse!

Lol yeah I don’t post on the GB often but I am general dripping with sarcasm in all my posts. I had a lonely childhood and had to talk to myself a lot.

Don't sweat it. I tend to talk to myself a lot too but I try to make sure nobody can hear what I can say as I tend to value the privacy that has been compromised for cash by the big tech industry that's made a living off of people's data and passing the tax burden onto the working poor.

[bwgood77]

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