Vasa Micic Highest Paid EuroLeague Player: around €16.65M for all three years of the contract

[ayyayyron]

Yeah at some point the euros gonna start taking top end European talent from nba...or maybe some good middle of The pack American guys

not top-end talent. I don't think they can match or exceed max/supermax money

[Mirotic12]

Yeah, the fact Nenad Krstic was on all Euroleague first team in 2012 and 2013 sure proves how much he sucked, he was only the best player at his position in the entire league, but he didnt win title so what a terrible player he was.

He was the worst defender probably that ever played at the center position in the history of the EuroLeague. Beyond that, the team he signed with actually played in the FIBA EuroChallenge and not the EuroLeague. You would have known that, if you took my advice and used Google. But I guess you didn't. Because you got the league wrong.

That's enough confirmation for me that you don't really actually watch or follow European club basketball.

[luka27]

No, my point is that Arroyo is not "middle of the pack", not that Larkin is.

Arroyo was a starter and 6th man and main rotation player for years and years. He was an NBA 6th man after he left the NBA and signed in Europe, and he went back to the NBA, where he was starting in like half the games. I'm not seeing how this is even a debate.

Arroyo was 8th scorer on the team before leaving to Euroleague (6.9 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2008.html

And 9th when he came back (6.1 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2010.html

So no, he was not a 6th man on his teams, as he did not contribute anything else much except scoring.

[clyde21]

I just felt the need to express my hate for using gross salaries in negotiations. It simply reflects strength of negotiating sides (gross usage where companies are simply being interested in cost control only and net salary usage revealing economies or industry niches where employees are stronger side).

To compare salaries across countries fairly, one needs to include rents and cost of living as well (not that it matters in sallaries amounting in millions, but it is vitally important to regular people).

100%. There are developers in San Fran who are accepting fully remote roles for 100k less. Moving to butt **** nowhere and saving so much CNN more money.

well at the very least they got a back yard...the concept of a back yard on a new home in the bay area doesn't exist anymore unless you're buyin an old house with one already, and get ready to throw down 500K above any asking price for it

[Mirotic12]

Arroyo was 8th scorer on the team before leaving to Euroleague (6.9 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2008.html

And 9th when he came back (6.1 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2010.html

So no, he was not a 6th man on his teams, as he did not contribute anything else much except scoring.

He started 35 out of 72 games played, then 43 out of 64 games played, in the NBA after he was in EuroLeague...

[DaddyCool19]

I think Efes denied Larkins salary. It should be closer to 3,25M $ after taxes, which was reported afterwards.

I'm not sure if Micic really gets paid as much as reported as they "only" have a 24M budget and the taxes in Turkey were increased to 40% not a long time ago. How would that even fit in that budget if you add the taxes on Larkin and Micics deal.

[luka27]

Arroyo was 8th scorer on the team before leaving to Euroleague (6.9 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2008.html

And 9th when he came back (6.1 points per game):
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2010.html

So no, he was not a 6th man on his teams, as he did not contribute anything else much except scoring.

Sorry if facts hurt your narrative.

[Mirotic12]

Sorry if facts hurt your narrative.

So a player starting half of the games for an NBA team isn't even an 8th man.........OK, whatever makes you feel better.

I think Efes denied Larkins salary. It should be closer to 3,25M $ after taxes, which was reported afterwards.

I'm not sure if Micic really gets paid as much as reported as they "only" have a 24M budget and the taxes in Turkey were increased to 40% not a long time ago. How would that even fit in that budget if you add the taxes on Larkin and Micics deal.

Probably because their budget was only temporarily lowered due to coronavirus. Every EuroLeague team lowered their budget temporarily because of it. It was agreed upon. In other years their budget was around 30 to 40 million.

[UcanUwill]

Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he had signed in Europe. The fact he was a terrible player means nothing to that issue of was he a starter or not. He was. Yes, he was a terrible player in the NBA. And just to correct what you said earlier, he was in fact also a terrible player in Europe. He's a prefect example of the myth that "all the best players in the world play in the NBA" is a totally ridiculous myth. He was playing terrible for years and years, both in the NBA and in Europe.

He was Kosta Koufous before Kosta Koufos. In other words getting big contracts in NBA and Europe, despite being awful in both.

Regardless, he was playing plenty in NBA, and signed in Europe, then came back to the NBA. So what I said was correct.

Yeah, the fact Nenad Krstic was on all Euroleague first team in 2012 and 2013 sure proves how much he sucked, he was only the best player at his position in the entire league, but he didnt win title so what a terrible player he was.

He was the worst defender probably that ever played at the center position in the history of the EuroLeague. Beyond that, the team he signed with actually played in the FIBA EuroChallenge and not the EuroLeague. You would have known that, if you took my advice and used Google. But I guess you didn't. Because you got the league wrong.

That's enough confirmation for me that you don't really actually watch or follow European club basketball.

Lol, every other player is worst defender ever according to you, last week it was Milutinov somehow your hyperboles are always the best. I guess voters who voted him on first Euroleague teams didnt care that much about his d as great expert here. And yeah, when he was named all Euroleague team, he was indeed playing in the Euroleague, on that red army team, I think you might heard of it.

You are right about one thing, that not everyone who plays in the NBA is very good. NBA has bad players and a lot of irrelevant players. Arroyo was irrelevant player, u wouldn't know this but he was far from middle of the pack player, someone like Jameer Nelson was middle of the pack player, Kirk Hinrich, maybe Devin Harris. Arroyo was never a good starter or 6th. caliber player, he racked rotation minutes on tanking teams and then left and no one was ever missing him.

[luka27]

Sorry if facts hurt your narrative.

So a player starting half of the games for an NBA team isn't even an 8th man.........

Minutes and points show that he is exactly 7-8th man, not 6th, which was your point before. For me gap from 6th to 8th is quite significant.

Anyway with those weak stats, coming to Euroleague and averaging 14.6 points per game...

[DaddyCool19]

Sorry if facts hurt your narrative.

So a player starting half of the games for an NBA team isn't even an 8th man.........OK, whatever makes you feel better.

I think Efes denied Larkins salary. It should be closer to 3,25M $ after taxes, which was reported afterwards.

I'm not sure if Micic really gets paid as much as reported as they "only" have a 24M budget and the taxes in Turkey were increased to 40% not a long time ago. How would that even fit in that budget if you add the taxes on Larkin and Micics deal.

Probably because their budget was only temporarily lowered due to coronavirus. Every EuroLeague team lowered their budget temporarily because of it. It was agreed upon. In other years their budget was around 30 to 40 million.

The 24M number was for the 19/20 season before corona hit everyone.

[Mirotic12]

Yeah at some point the euros gonna start taking top end European talent from nba...or maybe some good middle of The pack American guys

not top-end talent. I don't think they can match or exceed max/supermax money

Most of the EuroLeague teams are owned by either individuals that are multi billionaires, by companies that are multi billion dollar companies, or by huge multi sports clubs that are worth billions.

They can all afford to pay max NBA salaries. It's not an issue at all of can they, but would they. Many EuroLeague teams can pay it, they just won't.

[ayyayyron]

Yeah at some point the euros gonna start taking top end European talent from nba...or maybe some good middle of The pack American guys

not top-end talent. I don't think they can match or exceed max/supermax money

Most of the EuroLeague teams are owned by either individuals that are multi billionaires, by companies that are multi billion dollar companies, or by huge multi sports clubs that are worth billions.

They can all afford to pay max NBA salaries. It's not an issue at all of can they, but would they. Many EuroLeague teams can pay it, they just won't.

You're right. I mean that it may not be a viable financial decision to pay someone triple/quadruple/quintuple the amount of the current highest-paid player. Love your username btw

[Mirotic12]

The 24M number was for the 19/20 season before corona hit everyone.

For years and years they had budgets of 30 million or more. Numerous years it was in the 35 million or more range. The ownership of the club has billions of dollars. It's owned by a huge beer and food company in Europe. They can afford salaries much higher than the one being reported for Micic.

The "budget" of a EuroLeague team is not the amount of money they can pay. It's just the word they use. It's actually like an NBA cap amount. It just depends on what their ownership feels like. If their ownership felt like keeping Micic, they have more than enough money to do so.

[stoo]

Micic will be making around 3mil per season

[Mirotic12]

Lol, every other player is worst defender ever according to you, last week it was Milutinov somehow your hyperboles are always the best. I guess voters who voted him on first Euroleague teams didnt care that much about his d as great expert here. And yeah, when he was named all Euroleague team, he was indeed playing in the Euroleague, on that red army team, I think you might heard of it.

You are right about one thing, that not everyone who plays in the NBA is very good. NBA has bad players and a lot of irrelevant players. Arroyo was irrelevant player, u wouldn't know this but he was far from middle of the pack player, someone like Jameer Nelson was middle of the pack player, Kirk Hinrich, maybe Devin Harris. Arroyo was never a good starter or 6th. caliber player, he racked rotation minutes on tanking teams and then left and no one was ever missing him.

Just admit that you don't actually watch EuroLeague. Milutinov is an absolute disaster on defense. He's basically unplayable for half of the game, he is so bad on defense. You can admit you don't actually watch EuroLeague. It's OK to admit it.

Nenad Krstic left the Nets and signed to play in the FIBA EuroChallenge, not the EuroLeague. Sorry, but you still have the wrong league on the topic and the wrong team. It was Moscow Triumph, not CSKA Moscow. Moscow Triumph was a team that played in the old FIBA league called EuroChallenge. Then he went back to the NBA and was a starter.

Get back to me when you figure this out.

Minutes and points show that he is exactly 7-8th man

Right, so he was a middle of the pack player in the NBA, which is what I said. Which is what you claimed he wasn't. So you just confirmed what I said, and what I said was something you were arguing about......now you confirmed what I said.

[UcanUwill]

Lol, every other player is worst defender ever according to you, last week it was Milutinov somehow your hyperboles are always the best. I guess voters who voted him on first Euroleague teams didnt care that much about his d as great expert here. And yeah, when he was named all Euroleague team, he was indeed playing in the Euroleague, on that red army team, I think you might heard of it.

You are right about one thing, that not everyone who plays in the NBA is very good. NBA has bad players and a lot of irrelevant players. Arroyo was irrelevant player, u wouldn't know this but he was far from middle of the pack player, someone like Jameer Nelson was middle of the pack player, Kirk Hinrich, maybe Devin Harris. Arroyo was never a good starter or 6th. caliber player, he racked rotation minutes on tanking teams and then left and no one was ever missing him.

Just admit that you don't actually watch EuroLeague. Milutinov is an absolute disaster on defense. He's basically unplayable for half of the game, he is so bad on defense. You can admit you don't actually watch EuroLeague. It's OK to admit it.

Nenad Krstic left the NBA and signed to play in the FIBA EuroChallenge, not the EuroLeague. Sorry, but you still have the wrong league on the topic and the wrong team. It was Moscow Triumph, not CSKA Moscow. Moscow Triumph was a team that played in the old FIBA league called EuroChallenge. Then he went back to the NBA and was a starter.

Get back to me when you figure this out.

Minutes and points show that he is exactly 7-8th man

Right, so he was a middle of the pack player in the NBA, which is what I said. Which is what you claimed he wasn't. So you just confirmed what I said, and what I said was something you were arguing about......now you confirmed what I said

Krstic played for CSKA for 4 years, and I am talking about those years, you were the first to even mention that Krstic was '''Euroleague bust'' and ''middle of the pack NBA player'', and now you spin like he didnt play in EUroleague, even tho he did for years and was on all Euroleague first team twice, but hes a bust somehow? Your definition of bust is asinine.

You know, I always thought that you are very hypocritical fan, I am so used to this forum knowing NBA inside out, that I took it for granted and didn't realize you know so little about NBA, if you really debating freaking Carlos Arroyo was middle of the pack NBA player on these forums. Maybe you are n ot hypocrite, you just dont know any better. Arroyo was irrelevant player who played there for a while, was somewhat serviceable and then signed with Israeli team. That is his career in a nutshell.

Thats why you really believe in things that Euroleague role players are same caliber as NBA role players, like you claimed a few weeks ago. Trust me, its not true, NBA bigs are far more skilled and NBA guards are far more athletic.

[Mirotic12]

Krstic played for CSKA for 4 years, and I am talking about those years, you were the first to even mention that Krstic was '''Euroleague bust'' and ''middle of the pack NBA player'', and now you spin like he didnt play in EUroleague, even tho he did for years and was on all Euroleague first team twice, but hes a bust somehow? Your definition of bust is asinine.

You know, I always thought that you are very hypocritical fan, I am so used to this forum knowing NBA inside out, that I took it for granted and didn't realize you know so little about NBA, if you really debating freaking Carlos Arroyo was middle of the pack NBA player on these forums. Maybe you are n ot hypocrite, you just dont know any better. Arroyo was irrelevant player who played there for a while, was somewhat serviceable and then signed with Israeli team. That is his career in a nutshell.

Thats why you really believe in things that Euroleague role players are same caliber as NBA role players, like you claimed a few weeks ago. Trust me, its not true, NBA bigs are far more skilled and NBA guards are far more athletic.

So you are going to stick with arguing that Krstic wasn't the worst defender ever at center in EuroLeague? His defense was so bad that you had coaches joking about it. Come on man, just admit you don't watch EuroLeague. It's not like anyone is going to care.

Carlos Arroyo was playing in the NBA for years. Yeah, he wasn't any good, but so what? If the NBA is actually "vastly superior" to the EuroLeague as it claims it is, as the media claims it is, as 95+% of the fans claim it is, then someone like Arroyo would have been the best player to ever step foot on a EuroLeague court.

Arroyo was a decent EuroLeague player, he was a just a bust for the contract they gave him. He was a bust, because they paid him so much money and he underperformed a lot based on his salary. But if the NBA is really such a superior league, he should have been a one of a kind player in EuroLeague, based on the fact he was for many years a main rotation player in the NBA.

[UcanUwill]

So you are going to stick with arguing that Krstic wasn't the worst defender ever at center in EuroLeague? His defense was so bad that you had coaches joking about it. Come on man, just admit you don't watch EuroLeague. It's not like anyone is going to care.

Euroleague has had dozens of stiffs, so I will probably say Krstic wasnt the worst, he definitely was not a good defender, but he was a very good player. Hell, Walter Tavares is back to back DPOY, so that tells you all you need to knowe, he is a joke of the player that gets targeted on D by coaches all the time, and coaches still voted DPOY. That makes me sick as a fan, you know what I think of Tavares, and that just shows how little true athletic defensive talent there is in EUroleague.

Arroyo was playing in the NBA for years. Yeah, he wasn't any good, but so what? If the NBA is actually "vastly superior" to the EuroLeague as it claims it is, as the media claims it is, as 95+% of the fans claim it is, then someone like Arroyo would have been the best player to ever step foot on a EuroLeague court.

Arroyo was a decent EuroLeague player, he was a just a bust for the contract they gave him. He was a bust, because they paid him so much money and he underperformed a lot based on his salary. But if the NBA is really such a superior league, he should have been a one of a kind player in EuroLeague, based on the fact he was for many years a main rotation player in the NBA.

Worse NBA players than Arroyo were stars in Euroleague, and better NBA players than Arroyo were worse in Euroleague. Talent doesnt translate linerally like that, and yes, Euroleague is not the league were any ex NBAer could dominate, but guess what, Mike James was superstar in Euroleague and he is nothing in the NBA yet. Macijauskas was superstar in Euroleague and he was nothing in the NBA, Jan Vesely is great Euroleague center, and there are WIzards fans who claim Vesely is worst NBA player they have ever seen. Jasikevicius was Euroleague Superstar and he was worse than Jamaal Tinsley in the NBA, another barely relevant PG in its own right. Khryapa and De Colo did jack **** in the NBA, but were very good Euroleague players, list is very long if you want me to continue.

[EArl]

Yeah at some point the euros gonna start taking top end European talent from nba...or maybe some good middle of The pack American guys

I don't think the EuroLeague teams are interested in that anymore. They have already signed many such players from the NBA, and all of them were big busts, considering their contracts. None of the EuroLeague teams that signed such players ever won anything either.

If players dont want to play in Canada because they consider it too far, they're definitely not leaving to Europe.