Scottie barnes and OG

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

Boucher is 28 lmao. People just think he's young because he sucks.

28 is old? Anyway, he's decent..

[longtallbrad]

Plus Siakam is coming back in a few weeks.

Barnes in particular has been unbelievable, our best player so far this season. He is booming with potential and he’s the best prospect we’ve had in franchise history.

Going to be a force in a couple years.

Better than VC and McGrady?

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

It's just an age thing, by the time both OG and Barnes are in their prime, FVV and Siakam will be over 30 years old and on the decline most likely.

You can compete when guys are young. As a matter of fact it's better for OG and Barnes to get more experience fighting to get in or being in the playoffs. There is no guarantee getting rid of FVV and Siakam will bring you better players or even good players if you rely on draft picks. The Raptors have been lucky to hit on those 4, drafting late mostly or undrafted in FVV's case.

You won the finals with Lowry at 32, FVV/Siakam at 24 and OG at 21. You need vets as leaders.

[seanbig]

Scotties been great but

Vince was hitting back to back game winners as a rookie

His start has better better than Bosh, demar or any other high draft pick

[_qubik]

Plus Siakam is coming back in a few weeks.

Raps front court is actually shaping up
to be extremely long, athletic, talented and dynamic. Young too. Defensively they can switch on anything.

Barnes(20) / Siakam(27) / OG(24) / Achiuwa(22) / Banton (21) / Boucher (28)

Barnes in particular has been unbelievable, our best player so far this season. He is booming with potential and he’s the best prospect we’ve had in franchise history.

Going to be a force in a couple years.

isnt this a problem though? og siakam and barnes.... none of them are really doing that well at the 5 save for some niche circumstances where its good.

In a couple of years, Barnes will likely top out near 6’10 & a strong 250 lbs. Thats not just small ball Center. That’s a legit Center against 25+ teams.

For sure, its bigger than Bam, and he for sure can hold his own against any center on the league.

[Appostis]

It feels like OG and Raptors fans think he is what Barnes actually is.

What is OG then?

A very good role player.

When i watch Raptors games, it looks like he’s trying to force himself to be more. And it looks awkward.

Then I watch Barnes, it looks normal and not forced at all.

...pretty good player who has DPOY potential.

Fixed it for you.

[QingJames]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

Boucher is 28 lmao. People just think he's young because he sucks.

28 is old? Anyway, he's decent..

It's old for a prospect. And no, he isn't. There's a reason Nurse doesn't play him much. His stock was boosted by an unsustainable 45% from deep last season, but beyond that he doesn't offer much. I guess he's pretty scary on perimeter closeouts but his interior defense is god awful. He's just too weak to play the 5 consistently and way too slow to play the 4.

[Los Manos]

Scotties been great but

Vince was hitting back to back game winners as a rookie

His start has better better than Bosh, demar or any other high draft pick

For the record, Vince was 23 in his sophomore year when he hit back to back game winners.

I'm as big of a fan of VC's raptor days as anybody and as an athletic scorer he was electric. But Scottie has something special about him and having just turned 20, his feel for the game on both ends combined with his physical gifts is so rare.

I came into the draft with huge reservations around Barnes but after 5 games I have no doubt that his talent you can build a franchise around.

[RoyceDa59]

Plus Siakam is coming back in a few weeks.

Raps front court is actually shaping up
to be extremely long, athletic, talented and dynamic. Young too. Defensively they can switch on anything.

Barnes(20) / Siakam(27) / OG(24) / Achiuwa(22) / Banton (21) / Boucher (28)

Barnes in particular has been unbelievable, our best player so far this season. He is booming with potential and he’s the best prospect we’ve had in franchise history.

Going to be a force in a couple years.

Franchise history? Really?

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Seeing how Vince Carter, Chris Bosh & DeMar DeRozan turned out for the Raps, I’d say it’s high probability. Watch him play and you’ll fall in love with his game.

He doesn’t force anything, let’s the game come to him. He dominates with strength and agility. He has elite court vision and passing, allowing him to be a forward that initiates the offence. Elite versatile defender. Great rebounder and despite offence being his biggest weakness, he’s averaging 17 ppg on 56% shooting and has shown signs of a vastly improved jump shot since college.

6’9, 230, unreal motor and athleticism.

Scottie Barnes is like a Scottie Pippen clone.

[gbball]

Plus Siakam is coming back in a few weeks.

Barnes in particular has been unbelievable, our best player so far this season. He is booming with potential and he’s the best prospect we’ve had in franchise history.

Going to be a force in a couple years.

Better than VC and McGrady?

Possibly. Better start than VC statistically so far and provides just as many 'wow' moments, albeit different and more so coming from nice reads he makes and plays he can make with his mix of size/skill/athleticism that are uncommon. Not sure who would be the McGrady comp, but it could be Delano Banton, our 2nd round pick who might have as high of a ceiling, but not nearly as polished as Scottie is so far. The two of them can legitimately be point guards at 6-8/6-9 that overwhelm teams offensively and defensively. OG, Siakam, and Precious are all just as exciting. But Barnes and Banton have a ridiculous amount of skill and potential for rookies and are already showing way more than Siakam or OG did coming in.

[PistolPeteJR]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

I agree with just about everything you’re saying except for Siakam. I really hope he improves his value this year and they trade him in the offseason. His game is largely predicated on athleticism. Without it, he’s really going to suffer.

[longtallbrad]

Plus Siakam is coming back in a few weeks.

Barnes in particular has been unbelievable, our best player so far this season. He is booming with potential and he’s the best prospect we’ve had in franchise history.

Going to be a force in a couple years.

Better than VC and McGrady?

Possibly. Better start than VC statistically so far and provides just as many 'wow' moments, albeit different and more so coming from nice reads he makes and plays he can make with his mix of size/skill/athleticism that are uncommon. Not sure who would be the McGrady comp, but it could be Delano Banton, our 2nd round pick who might have as high of a ceiling, but not nearly as polished as Scottie is so far. The two of them can legitimately be point guards at 6-8/6-9 that overwhelm teams offensively and defensively. OG, Siakam, and Precious are all just as exciting. But Barnes and Banton have a ridiculous amount of skill and potential for rookies and are already showing way more than Siakam or OG did coming in.

Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like an exciting time to be a Raptors fan. I'll keep my eyes open.

[everdiso]

Scotties been great but

Vince was hitting back to back game winners as a rookie

His start has better better than Bosh, demar or any other high draft pick

Rookie seasons, per36

Vince (22): 35.2min (25.6usg%), 18.7pts (51.6ts%), 3.0ast (2.3to), 5.8rb (1.9off), 1.1st/1.6bk
Scottie (20): 34.6min (21.0usg%), 17.7pts (57.4ts%), 2.5ast (3.1to), 8.5rb (3.5off), 0.4st/0.6bk

[everdiso]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

Yeah some might not be appreciating how rare it is to have four guys with at least borderline all-star talent, who are all true 2-way players with high end motors, on the same team together. (And one of them looks like he might be a truly special talent.) Especially with elite length to boot. And a couple talented kids like precious and Trent who are only borderline starters now but have legit starting talent too.

Especially considering that there are no super teams anymore, and even the best teams have glaring holes....I dunno, I'm pretty interested to see what can happen here.

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't trade anyone. You have FVV who can run the point effectively and get really hot from 3, even though he is streaky, then you have a wing/PF combo of OG/Barnes/Siakam. Siakam just had to take on too much the year after Kawhi left and Lowry was out a lot. Now that OG is taking on more and the addition of Barnes, Siakam will draw less attention. It wasn't long ago on this board that the vast majority would not trade Siakam for Beal.

Then at C, Achiuwa and Boucher are solid young guys..not great but decent and Barnes or Siakam can play small ball C if needed.

Yeah some might not be appreciating how rare it is to have four guys with at least borderline all-star talent, who are all true 2-way players with high end motors, on the same team together. (And one of them looks like he might be a truly special talent.) Especially with elite length to boot. And a couple talented kids like precious and Trent who are only borderline starters now but have legit starting talent too.

Especially considering that there are no super teams anymore, and even the best teams have glaring holes....I dunno, I'm pretty interested to see what can happen here.

Yeah, anything can happen and you can switch on anyone. I think too many fans want to go young and then you don't know what you are rooting for....a high draft pick? What if it doesn't pan out? Raptors fans have been lucky with the picks and signing FVV after the draft over the years, not only that the players ended up good, but they were good pretty quickly. Were they around when Bargnani was drafted?

[Vampirate]

Scotties been great but

Vince was hitting back to back game winners as a rookie

His start has better better than Bosh, demar or any other high draft pick

Rookie seasons, per36

Vince (22): 35.2min (25.6usg%), 18.7pts (51.6ts%), 3.0ast (2.3to), 5.8rb (1.9off), 1.1st/1.6bk
Scottie (20): 34.6min (21.0usg%), 17.7pts (57.4ts%), 2.5ast (3.1to), 8.5rb (3.5off), 0.4st/0.6bk

Scottie's been great but he's gotta keep this up over an entire season to really make any comparisons.

Vince did that over a longer period of time.

Potential is definitely there though.

[seanbig]

My bad

[JustMoe]

Havent seen them play yet, ill check them out the next time they play on national TV.

Not a bad idea since they'll probably be in their prime the next time they'll be on US national TV... if at all.

[old skool]

I believe most Scottie fans would rather see him being developed as a starting PG. He’s emulated his game after Magic Johnson and it shows.

Raptors will be very good with: Barnes/FVV/OG/Siakam/Achiuwa

As a 20 year old rookie, Magic averaged 7.3 assists per game. Barnes is averaging 2.4 assists over his first 5 games. The two players don't seem comparable as distributors early in their careers.

[Peja Stojakovic]

I believe most Scottie fans would rather see him being developed as a starting PG. He’s emulated his game after Magic Johnson and it shows.

Raptors will be very good with: Barnes/FVV/OG/Siakam/Achiuwa

As a 20 year old rookie, Magic averaged 7.3 assists per game. Barnes is averaging 2.4 assists over his first 5 games. The two players don't seem comparable as distributors early in their careers.

he led the raps in assists in preseason with 5.6 apg. right now i think hes been told to focus on his power game