Warriors really going to win 60 games?

[Commodor]

Yeah all about health and Klay’s return but teams in the West may not have amazing records but will come roaring back later.

LAC is hanging in there without Kawhi.
Denver has been without Murray and MPJ for most of the season.
LAL will start clicking eventually once Lebron is back.
Not to mention DAL, UTAH & PHX are already playing strong.

Out East not as concerned outside of Miami. They’ll match up great against GSW. Or the Nets if Kyrie decides he wants to play.

[tonyreyes123]

60-64 wins, this might be like the Giants coming out of nowhere and winning 107 games

[vagelis]

I wonder how is it possible that a team could be in pace for 60 or 70 wins while having Andrew Wiggins as the second best offensive player.
I thought you all called him the worst player in the planet when he was in Minesota.

Wiggins his 3d year averaged 23.6 ppg with 45.9 fg%.
He was called an inefficient chucker then.

Anthony Edwards his second year averages 22.9 ppg with 41.6 fg%
He is called a future superstar and Minesota has to build around him

But ok when we talk about Wiggins the hate always beats the logic.

Anyway, Warriors are in pace to win 60 or more games while having Wiggins as their second scorer and second best offensive player(and second best defensive player).
But ok you can continue to propose dozens of trades that other teams will always deny because they will not want Wiggins.

[WarriorGM]

I wonder how is it possible that a team could be in pace for 60 or 70 wins while having Andrew Wiggins as the second best offensive player.

Wiggins is a #1 pick!
Draymond is a DPOY!
Iguodala is a FMVP!
Bjelica is a Euroleague MVP!
Gary Payton II is a G-League DPOY!

Warriors are loaded! They're a superteam! It's so unfair!

[ShootersShoot]

I wonder how is it possible that a team could be in pace for 60 or 70 wins while having Andrew Wiggins as the second best offensive player.
I thought you all called him the worst player in the planet when he was in Minesota.

Wiggins his 3d year averaged 23.6 ppg with 45.9 fg%.
He was called an inefficient chucker then.

Anthony Edwards his second year averages 22.9 ppg with 41.6 fg%
He is called a future superstar and Minesota has to build around him

But ok when we talk about Wiggins the hate always beats the logic.

Anyway, Warriors are in pace to win 60 or more games while having Wiggins as their second scorer and second best offensive player(and second best defensive player).
But ok you can continue to propose dozens of trades that other teams will always deny because they will not want Wiggins.

Meanwhile Joe Lacob says that the Wiggins trade from Minesota was the best that Warriors have ever done

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Joe-Lacob-Andrew-wiggins-d-angelo-russell-trade-16613760.php

"I thought it was one of the greatest deals, certainly maybe the greatest deal we’ve ever done, And one of the best I’ve seen in a long, long time. I thought it was a killer deal. I thought Bob [Myers] did an amazing job. I don’t even know how to put it strong enough."

Defense..they have so many 6'6 to 6'8 guys who can guard multiple positions, one of them being a dpoy level player. They got at least 6-7 rotation guys that fit that description. Looney is above average defensively, and gp2 can be put on any guard. Steph is solid on D nowadays and deserves to be recognized for it.

Defense..and also chemistry...Id say amongst the best in the league if there was some way to quantify it.

But yea wiggins is a big part of it, completely bought in, and brings it on both ends.

They got an mvp level player, elite shooting once klay gets back, one of the best defenses, championship experience, continuity, great chemistry.. Lots to like here.

[ShootersShoot]

There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.

Poole, kuminga and they also have other recent lotto picks as well.

They've upgraded their bench. They ended last season on a 15-5 run before faltering in the play in games.. steph is still mvp level and draymond still dpoy level. I cant stress enough how much of a morale boost it is expecting klay back. Honestly feel like that plays a significant part.

[soxfan2003]

I wonder how is it possible that a team could be in pace for 60 or 70 wins while having Andrew Wiggins as the second best offensive player.
I thought you all called him the worst player in the planet when he was in Minesota.

Wiggins his 3d year averaged 23.6 ppg with 45.9 fg%.
He was called an inefficient chucker then.

Anthony Edwards his second year averages 22.9 ppg with 41.6 fg%
He is called a future superstar and Minesota has to build around him

But ok when we talk about Wiggins the hate always beats the logic.

Anyway, Warriors are in pace to win 60 or more games while having Wiggins as their second scorer and second best offensive player(and second best defensive player).
But ok you can continue to propose dozens of trades that other teams will always deny because they will not want Wiggins.

Meanwhile Joe Lacob says that the Wiggins trade from Minesota was the best that Warriors have ever done

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Joe-Lacob-Andrew-wiggins-d-angelo-russell-trade-16613760.php

"I thought it was one of the greatest deals, certainly maybe the greatest deal we’ve ever done, And one of the best I’ve seen in a long, long time. I thought it was a killer deal. I thought Bob [Myers] did an amazing job. I don’t even know how to put it strong enough."

I've explained Wiggins before and I feel vindicated but Draymond Green is still the 2nd best Warrior right now. Wiggins is a good to very good nba player but not a great player. When you overuse a good to very good NBA player and he has key teammates that don't care about defense (KAT in the Wiggins MN years) don't be surprised if he ends up an average/slightly below average player in effectiveness.

Notice how Warriors have lowered Wiggins minutes. Easier for him to provide more consistent energy on defense when he isn't asked to play that many minutes. Wiggins with MN was in the top 1 to 5 in the NBA in minutes a few years if I remember correctly. Okay for generational players or true superstars to have that load but you don't want a less talented energy player to have that burden. It isn't smart basketball.

When players aren't hustling on D, they shouldn't be getting over 34 MPG unless they are historically great on offense and Wiggins obviously isn't.

[ShootersShoot]

I wonder how is it possible that a team could be in pace for 60 or 70 wins while having Andrew Wiggins as the second best offensive player.
I thought you all called him the worst player in the planet when he was in Minesota.

Wiggins his 3d year averaged 23.6 ppg with 45.9 fg%.
He was called an inefficient chucker then.

Anthony Edwards his second year averages 22.9 ppg with 41.6 fg%
He is called a future superstar and Minesota has to build around him

But ok when we talk about Wiggins the hate always beats the logic.

Anyway, Warriors are in pace to win 60 or more games while having Wiggins as their second scorer and second best offensive player(and second best defensive player).
But ok you can continue to propose dozens of trades that other teams will always deny because they will not want Wiggins.

Meanwhile Joe Lacob says that the Wiggins trade from Minesota was the best that Warriors have ever done

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Joe-Lacob-Andrew-wiggins-d-angelo-russell-trade-16613760.php

"I thought it was one of the greatest deals, certainly maybe the greatest deal we’ve ever done, And one of the best I’ve seen in a long, long time. I thought it was a killer deal. I thought Bob [Myers] did an amazing job. I don’t even know how to put it strong enough."

I've explained Wiggins before and I feel vindicated but Draymond Green is still the 2nd best Warrior right now. Wiggins is a good to very good nba player but not a great player. When you overuse a good to very good NBA player and he has key teammates that don't care about defense (KAT in the Wiggins MN years) don't be surprised if he ends up an average/slightly below average player in effectiveness.

Notice how Warriors have lowered Wiggins minutes. Easier for him to provide more consistent energy on defense when he isn't asked to play that many minutes. Wiggins with MN was in the top 1 to 5 in the NBA in minutes a few years if I remember correctly. Okay for generational players or true superstars to have that load but you don't want a less talented energy player to have that burden. It isn't smart basketball.

When players aren't hustling on D, they shouldn't be getting over 34 MPG unless they are historically great on offense and Wiggins obviously isn't.

People look at his salary and they automatically say he is not a good player, which is an odd take and an antiquated one as well. 18 ppg on above average efficiency, plus quality defense as a starter. Who in their right mind calls that "bad" the money not withstanding? Yes, he was bad BEFORE but he is entering his prime and on a better team. If he was getting 15 mill per every team in the league would take him and I truly feel that is not an exaggeration.

[JN61]

Probably 50-55 wins. Thompson will come back and everyone blames him instead of acknowledging very easy schedule of early season Warriors had.

[schnakenpopanz]

it was all Kelly Oubre's fault

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[pj0tr]

I think this team is easily going to win 60 games or more. Steph is as good as he ever was, and unlike last year, this team has, even without Klay, two guys that can average 18 ppg. One of them is a solid two-way wing, the other is a 6'4" scoring guard. If you try to take Steph out of the game, you will now have to pay more than you did last year. Their defense is elite with Draymond captaining it. There are a lot of versatile, lengthy athletes all over the roster. Kuminga will be useful down the line. GPII already is. Wiseman could be helpful. They have a great defense and the way Steph is, he doesn't even have to have dominant game for them to win, because they have a decent enough offense with him just playing "okay."

And then, of course, Klay Thompson, one of the top 5 shooters of all time, is coming back. Word on the street is that he looks like he was never injured. Even a Klay that can get 15-16 ppg and be a plus defender would be huge, but there's a chance he can get 20-22 ppg. GSW is now loaded. They're going to be a tough, tough out. If LeBron has officially fallen off, which looks quite possible, the only serious threats to them are the Clippers with Kawhi and maybe the Nuggets if Murray can be healthy enough by the playoffs. The Nets would beat this team if Kyrie weren't an idiot, but that's not the case so not counting them as contenders.

GSW will win 60 games this year, easily.

Agreed - Suns aren't really contenders this year.

Warriors would maybe sweep the Suns in a series. I think the Nuggets with Jamal Murray coming off an ACL are the most complete team in the West.

Warriors-Nuggets would be the dream WCF, but its still probably gonna be Warriors-Lakers if the Lakers are healthy.

Its probably going to be:

1. Warriors
2. Jazz
3. Nuggets
4. Suns
5. Clippers
6. Mavericks
7. Lakers
8. Grizzlies
9. Blazers
10. Kings

Warriors > Grizzlies
Lakers > Jazz
Clippers > Suns
Nuggets > Mavs

Warriors > Clippers
Lakers > Nuggets

Warriors > Lakers

[hardenASG13]

Not a warriors fan but also not sure how some people arent impressed/believing this is one of the top teams in the league. They have a legit superstar, very solid shooting and defense around him, with a capable bench. They are also about to add Wiseman (unpopular take, but he will certainly provide value in their frontcourt and i think be an improvment over Looney), and Klay! I know hes coming off injuries, but as KD showed the achillies injury isnt what it once was. Add to that the fact that Klays specialty is quick release catch and shoot 3s and making them an incredibly hard team to guard with the spacing he provides. Its not like Klay had a game that relied on explosive athleticsm before his injury. If hes lost half a step he will still be very close to the player he was unless he can no longer shoot it like he did.

[SpreeS]

it was all Kelly Oubre's fault

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