The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green.

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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#41 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 2:32 pm

Two of the games were against OKC. OKC just set a new record against the Grizzlies, getting beat by 73 points. The Rockets would have won two of those games against OKC with Jalen Green.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#42 » by Jadoogar » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:50 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:This why they need to play wall. He doesnt know how to play, and having a veteran former star on the floor teaching by example is extremely helpful, even more than coaching a lot of times.


Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.
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Post#43 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:52 pm

tundraknight wrote:The Rockets record with Jalen Green is 1-16.

The Rockets record without Jalen Green is currently 4-0.

Jalen Green entered the league with tremendous hype as the next sensational SG.


Their GM must be fuming mad and demanding the coach to play him EVERY FREAKING GAME NOW. They are not supposed to win, the OKC, Magic and Pistons execs are laughing now. :banghead:
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#44 » by Lockdown504090 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:03 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:This why they need to play wall. He doesnt know how to play, and having a veteran former star on the floor teaching by example is extremely helpful, even more than coaching a lot of times.


Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.

like even us, I question what FVV would be without lowry or what siakam would be without watching demar and kawhi.... on that note, i strongly with my whole heart believe that kawhi without the spurs would have been mo harkless. Coaches can unlock players, buut its players who teach players how to be pros.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#45 » by draftnightsuit » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:04 pm

Jalen Green is the SG version of Stromile Swift.

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Post#46 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:36 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:This why they need to play wall. He doesnt know how to play, and having a veteran former star on the floor teaching by example is extremely helpful, even more than coaching a lot of times.


Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.

like even us, I question what FVV would be without lowry or what siakam would be without watching demar and kawhi.... on that note, i strongly with my whole heart believe that kawhi without the spurs would have been mo harkless. Coaches can unlock players, buut its players who teach players how to be pros.


I mean I'm not sure what a bad situation or good situation actually is though. I know a guy who came into the league, without a lot of offensive support, didn't have what many would consider to be great coaching, was forced fed shots for many years, perhaps in a role he wasn't ready for. So he wasn't exactly set up for success and he failed, right. Who was that player? It was Austin Rivers. Just kidding it was Demar Derozan. He worked on his game used his experience/opportunities and eventually the scoring came easier, is arguably going into the HOF as an scorer/offense only guy and he began a good/great passer as well later.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#47 » by Gramercy Riffs » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:43 pm

More interesting than wondering if he's going to be a bust after a quarter of the season is if people still think he's going to be the best player in his draft? That was a trendy claim leading up to and immediately after the draft.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#48 » by dickfox » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:51 pm

Well, two of the wins are vs the Thunder so it's a whatever.

It is hard to believe though they sign Wood to a great contract, refuse to pair him with Jarrett Allen, and then get nothing valuable back in the Harden trade.

Then they pass on Mobley, who is now paired with Jarrett Allen, and they look like they are going to be a pretty great frontcourt duo for the next 5 years. Funny how it works out.

I love Jalen Green but I'm sure lots of Rocket fans out there are hurting seeing the generational talent of Mobley showing itself so early.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#49 » by turnaroundJ » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:53 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:This why they need to play wall. He doesnt know how to play, and having a veteran former star on the floor teaching by example is extremely helpful, even more than coaching a lot of times.


Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.

like even us, I question what FVV would be without lowry or what siakam would be without watching demar and kawhi.... on that note, i strongly with my whole heart believe that kawhi without the spurs would have been mo harkless. Coaches can unlock players, buut its players who teach players how to be pros.

Lol Mo Harkless? The Spurs org didn’t turn Kawhi into one of the most complete mid range scorers in history. Pop didn’t teach him the turnaround fadeaway. RC Buford didn’t help him hone his pull-up, or any of his other moves.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#50 » by Alonzo_Morning » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:57 pm

You could make a case for Cade, Mobley and Barnes before Green.

Hell, even Wagner

Right now I'm going Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Wagner, Giddey, Green, Suggs, Herb

All the guys I named before Green impact the game at a good level better than him
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#51 » by Lockdown504090 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:06 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.

like even us, I question what FVV would be without lowry or what siakam would be without watching demar and kawhi.... on that note, i strongly with my whole heart believe that kawhi without the spurs would have been mo harkless. Coaches can unlock players, buut its players who teach players how to be pros.


I mean I'm not sure what a bad situation or good situation actually is though. I know a guy who came into the league, without a lot of offensive support, didn't have what many would consider to be great coaching, was forced fed shots for many years, perhaps in a role he wasn't ready for. So he wasn't exactly set up for success and he failed, right. Who was that player? It was Austin Rivers. Just kidding it was Demar Derozan. He worked on his game used his experience/opportunities and eventually the scoring came easier, is arguably going into the HOF as an scorer/offense only guy and he began a good/great passer as well later.
demar took ten years to learn how to play off the ball, play D and shoot the three. If he was on a better team, those would be attached to his playing time
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#52 » by Appostis » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:28 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:green is a bust.


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Post#53 » by Quattro » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:01 pm

tundraknight wrote:The Rockets record with Jalen Green is 1-16.

The Rockets record without Jalen Green is currently 4-0.

Jalen Green entered the league with tremendous hype as the next sensational SG.


Repeat after me: “Jalen Green is a rookie”.
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Post#54 » by John Murdoch » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:03 pm

He Nick Young with troy palamalu hair
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#55 » by JonFromVA » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:28 pm

Ritzo wrote:The Memphis is 3-0 without Morant too, are you saying Green and Morant have negative impact?


Well, if you want to get technical about it, both players have massively bad On-Off numbers. Ja is at -13.4, and Jalen is -30.4.

With the WayBack Machine, we can dial that back to the 24th for Ja when he was at -2.0, and we can dial Jalen back to the 28th when he was -31.3.

So, clearly Ja is taking a big hit being inactive for the past few games, but Memphis has had a crazy season with 20, 28, 25, 43, and 32 point losses .... and 35, 27, and now 73 point wins.
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#56 » by SlovenianDragon » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:31 pm

John Murdoch wrote:He Nick Young with troy palamalu hair


U mean Swaggy P...
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Re: The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green. 

Post#57 » by nikster » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:39 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Not only is Wall a veteran pg who knows how to play, their current "point guard" is the exact opposite of what a pg should be.

like even us, I question what FVV would be without lowry or what siakam would be without watching demar and kawhi.... on that note, i strongly with my whole heart believe that kawhi without the spurs would have been mo harkless. Coaches can unlock players, buut its players who teach players how to be pros.


I mean I'm not sure what a bad situation or good situation actually is though. I know a guy who came into the league, without a lot of offensive support, didn't have what many would consider to be great coaching, was forced fed shots for many years, perhaps in a role he wasn't ready for. So he wasn't exactly set up for success and he failed, right. Who was that player? It was Austin Rivers. Just kidding it was Demar Derozan. He worked on his game used his experience/opportunities and eventually the scoring came easier, is arguably going into the HOF as an scorer/offense only guy and he began a good/great passer as well later.

Derozan took 6.6 fga as a rookie, had decent offensive talent around him (Bargnani, Hedo, Jarrett Jack, Chris Bosh) and they won 40 games. By his 2nd season they got worse with Bosh leaving but he was fairly effective in a larger role, and always got to play with a real pg like Calderon.

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