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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#41 » by mpoo_sin » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:30 pm

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timO wrote:5 lottery teams btw


good point. looks like out of the next 5 games, 3 are playoff teams in the West. Will be a good barometer.


The Wolves aren’t a lottery team. The Hawks won’t be by season’s end either. I’d also bet on the Blazers not being a lotto team by season’s end.

But that said you are right that the competition is going up in the next 3 games.


Oh boy....i think you shouldn t bet on the Failblazers. This team is as dead as it gets.

BTT: as mentioned before those wins came against bad/struggling teams. I want to see them actually play well against stronger opponents before i think about them being anything more than they were last season.

But watching James play at this level at his age is truly amazing. This dude lives for the game. I m glad that i m able to watch his greatness.
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#42 » by The Master » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:33 pm

You're missing a point IMHO.

Lakers at the beginning of the season played with some s***y lineups with DeAndre as a starter, lack of shooting and spacing, and basically everyone was aware how stupid was this idea of coaching staff to play in this specific way.

After some time, thanks to injuries and other absences, Lakers have figured out that they need space and more movement-based offense, and this is why LeBron at 5 has been a great, even if temporary solution. Not only he gets more space for himself, but also role players can thrive in this system (great shooting form of role players, especially Monk and Bradley). That is why Lakers finally have some style and offensive flow, and even though from some general perspective their success is moderate (they're still 21-19 after all), it's easily visible to see a development here.

Vogel said recently that with AD back they'll play with him at C, LeBron in secondary lineups, and in some cases probably with Dwight against dangerous centers, and that's some development considering that he thought in October/November that Lakers can succeed with Westbrook, LeBron, Davis and Jordan on a court simultaneously. :lol:

So while LeBron at 5 isn't a solution for all Lakers' weaknesses, it's clearly a move into right direction in terms of style of play/type of rotation that Lakers want to have.

Obviously, they still have lot of question marks with general rotation, on ball defenders on perimeter, Westbrook or shape of Davis, and perhaps they won't contend for a title. But there's a small light at the end of a tunnel right now, because at least Lakers know what type of bball they want to play, and it's certainly related to LeBron being willing to play as a center.
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#43 » by Marrrcuss » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:38 pm

So the best point guard and best wing forward that's been on our league this millennium is playing center in stretches and many of you chimed in just to throw shade .

Making excuses for another man's success is so damn weak.
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Post#44 » by R-DAWG » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:38 pm

Statlanta wrote:LeBron at Center is a RS lineup. This isn't gonna fly in the post season.


In short spurts it will work in the playoffs - similar to Golden State's death lineup.

But come playoff time, AD will be playing 35 of the 48 minutes in the center slot. When AD rests, they can run with Lebron in the C slot with Westbrook and 3 shooters.
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Post#45 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:44 pm

timO wrote:5 lottery teams btw


Without an All NBA player, Anthony Davis.
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Post#46 » by Optms » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:45 pm

An ancient LeBron is still better than your entire team even with Westbrick hindering the team. Let that sink in.
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Post#47 » by Bank Shot » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:57 pm

LeBron has been awesome and they've been a fun team to watch lately, but it's way too early for the Lakers are back talk. They have one win against a top-eight seed since November 10th and it came against the Mavs without Luka.
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Post#48 » by Lost Angel » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:30 pm

looks like Nunn is back sooner than AD. Which is great.

Lakers with Nunn in the guard spot adding shooting have become very dangerous.

I cannot wait to see

LeBron
AD
Melo/Bradley/Ariza/Reaves
Monk
Nunn

for small stretches just dominating on offense
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Post#49 » by Marrrcuss » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:31 pm

Bank Shot wrote:LeBron has been awesome and they've been a fun team to watch lately, but it's way too early for the Lakers are back talk. They have one win against a top-eight seed since November 10th and it came against the Mavs without Luka.

Listen joy thief, if you're expecting a team that was losing to these same type teams to not see improvement, you're crazy

Also, we still have the best player not playing (next to Kawhi).
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Post#50 » by Warriorfan » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:35 pm

Lebron as C on offense and AD C on defense can work
It can work against Warrior small ball.
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Post#51 » by MindState » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:17 pm

I want to see them play against a healthy Warriors, Suns, Jazz, Grizzlies, Bulls, Nets, Bucks, Heat before I give them their flowers. Beating up on lottery teams is nothing special. They are a “superteam”.
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#52 » by JN61 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:24 pm

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jehosafats wrote:What is a center at this point? These days centers can act like combo guards. Easy adjustment for Lebron.

If your argument is he isn't going to defend regardless of the position you are still wrong in terms of defensive side of the ball. Lakers are -31 ORB in last 4 games and it's purely down to playing bad teams that they are on a winning streak. Lebron allows constantly offensive rebounds/putbacks and free layups because he doesn't play help defense at all nor cover the 3 point line as a center.

They might regress defensively and come up with fewer rebounds, but the offensive adjustment isn't as drastic as it seems. Even average sized teams play small like this anyway.


Oh totally. Offense isn't an issue because you don't really need a traditional center these days to score, so Lebron is operating on high post as passer/hub to run offense through. Issue is 100% defensively they are facing with Lebron/Melo as their center, which is massive issue which they are only be able to overcome by having games vs poor opponents with no centers on the floor (injured) and having actually great offense to counter one of the worst defenses in the league they are putting up now.
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Post#53 » by levon » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:45 pm

In 48 minutes of the lineup that started yesterday (the second most used lineup all season; LA has had the worst continuity in the league), they're a +23 net rtg.

The key is Monk. They needed a dynamic scorer and shotmaker in the lineup. I'm imagining AD instead of Stanley Johnson and a bigger 3nD guy instead of Bradley (who's been playing great), even just Reaves.

That's what AD, Lebron, and Westbrook agreed upon at the start of the season. Not Deandre Jordan and Bazemore bringing down every lineup.

The other interesting wrinkle is they're learning how to play small ball with a decent likelihood that they face the Jazz in the first round. Lebron at C who's also confident with his jumper and is shooting closer to 80% on free throws than he's been in a long time is a great weapon against Gobert, if we take lessons from the Clippers going small last year.
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Post#54 » by SK21209 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:52 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
Statlanta wrote:LeBron at Center is a RS lineup. This isn't gonna fly in the post season.


In short spurts it will work in the playoffs - similar to Golden State's death lineup.

But come playoff time, AD will be playing 35 of the 48 minutes in the center slot. When AD rests, they can run with Lebron in the C slot with Westbrook and 3 shooters.


LeBron at center lineups are +14.0 per 100 possessions

Russ/LeBron/AD lineups with no center are +10 per 100 possessions

Russ/AD/bench with no center are also positive

Theoretically, these are the only forms of lineup the Lakers would use in the playoffs. There’s still a long way to go but there are reasons for optimism.
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Post#55 » by SK21209 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:54 pm

levon wrote:In 48 minutes of the lineup that started yesterday (the second most used lineup all season; LA has had the worst continuity in the league), they're a +23 net rtg.

The key is Monk. They needed a dynamic scorer and shotmaker in the lineup. I'm imagining AD instead of Stanley Johnson and a bigger 3nD guy instead of Bradley (who's been playing great), even just Reaves.

That's what AD, Lebron, and Westbrook agreed upon at the start of the season. Not Deandre Jordan and Bazemore bringing down every lineup.

The other interesting wrinkle is they're learning how to play small ball with a decent likelihood that they face the Jazz in the first round. Lebron at C who's also confident with his jumper and is shooting closer to 80% on free throws than he's been in a long time is a great weapon against Gobert, if we take lessons from the Clippers going small last year.


Monk is also crucial in that he takes some pressure off Russ to be a consistent scoring option. As we’ve seen over the last couple of games, Russ is at his best pushing the ball, finding open guys in transition and finishing plays as a cutter.
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#56 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 8:06 pm

Pythagoras wrote:
BeatDaCavs420 wrote:
Scuall wrote:
You should start a thread.

I def should. But unlike Lebron and lakers fans(Marcusss) I don't need to make a thread after every game lol


Where you also complaining about the barrage of Lakers/Westbrook threads when they where struggling? It’s one thread. It would have cost you nothing to just not post it in.

Actually I was. It was ridiculous the threads made about westbrook lol
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Post#57 » by Balls Deep » Sat Jan 8, 2022 8:10 pm

A couple of their losses they were blowing out the teams then just took their foot off the gas/lost concentration. That means they’re having trouble getting up for the regular season. They’ll be fine in the playoffs, I’m not even tripping.
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Post#58 » by homecourtloss » Sat Jan 8, 2022 8:40 pm

JN61 wrote:
jehosafats wrote:What is a center at this point? These days centers can act like combo guards. Easy adjustment for Lebron.

If your argument is he isn't going to defend regardless of the position you are still wrong in terms of defensive side of the ball. Lakers are -31 ORB in last 4 games and it's purely down to playing bad teams that they are on a winning streak. Lebron allows constantly offensive rebounds/putbacks and free layups because he doesn't play help defense at all nor cover the 3 point line as a center.


Sorry a 37 year old wing scoring 29 a game on 62% TS can’t also be Bill Russell.

By the way, in the last 5 games, opponents are shooting 17.6% on threes LeBron has defended and they’re shooting 14.1% BELOW their season averages on shots 6ft or less from the rim when LeBron contests.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/defense-dash/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=5

Marrrcuss wrote:So the best point guard and best wing forward that's been on our league this millennium is playing center in stretches and many of you chimed in just to throw shade .

Making excuses for another man's success is so damn weak.


:lol: Exactly. A 37 year old who has played 62,000 minutes is playing center, scoring more efficiently than just about every other high volume scorer, and is now playing his 4th position in his career, and has gone from assist leading PG in 2020 to leading scorer Center in 2022, at ages of 35-37. To even begin to explain to people how remarkable this is about a once in a lifetime talent who can do this…
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#59 » by Pythagoras » Sat Jan 8, 2022 8:59 pm

homecourtloss wrote:
JN61 wrote:
jehosafats wrote:What is a center at this point? These days centers can act like combo guards. Easy adjustment for Lebron.

If your argument is he isn't going to defend regardless of the position you are still wrong in terms of defensive side of the ball. Lakers are -31 ORB in last 4 games and it's purely down to playing bad teams that they are on a winning streak. Lebron allows constantly offensive rebounds/putbacks and free layups because he doesn't play help defense at all nor cover the 3 point line as a center.


Sorry a 37 year old wing scoring 29 a game on 62% TS can’t also be Bill Russell.

By the way, in the last 5 games, opponents are shooting 17.6% on threes LeBron has defended and they’re shooting 14.1% BELOW their season averages on shots 6ft or less from the rim when LeBron contests.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/defense-dash/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=5

Marrrcuss wrote:So the best point guard and best wing forward that's been on our league this millennium is playing center in stretches and many of you chimed in just to throw shade .

Making excuses for another man's success is so damn weak.


:lol: Exactly. A 37 year old who has played 62,000 minutes is playing center, scoring more efficiently than just about every other high volume scorer, and is now playing his 4th position in his career, and has gone from assist leading PG in 2020 to leading scorer Center in 2022, at ages of 35-37. To even begin to explain to people how remarkable this is about a once in a lifetime talent who can do this…


I’ve become convinced that Lebron is the result of a super soldier experiment ala Captain America. This is unreal.
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Re: the Lakers with LeBron at Center… 

Post#60 » by R-DAWG » Sat Jan 8, 2022 9:25 pm

SK21209 wrote:
levon wrote:In 48 minutes of the lineup that started yesterday (the second most used lineup all season; LA has had the worst continuity in the league), they're a +23 net rtg.

The key is Monk. They needed a dynamic scorer and shotmaker in the lineup. I'm imagining AD instead of Stanley Johnson and a bigger 3nD guy instead of Bradley (who's been playing great), even just Reaves.

That's what AD, Lebron, and Westbrook agreed upon at the start of the season. Not Deandre Jordan and Bazemore bringing down every lineup.

The other interesting wrinkle is they're learning how to play small ball with a decent likelihood that they face the Jazz in the first round. Lebron at C who's also confident with his jumper and is shooting closer to 80% on free throws than he's been in a long time is a great weapon against Gobert, if we take lessons from the Clippers going small last year.


Monk is also crucial in that he takes some pressure off Russ to be a consistent scoring option. As we’ve seen over the last couple of games, Russ is at his best pushing the ball, finding open guys in transition and finishing plays as a cutter.


we are not allowed to say nice things about Westbrook.

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