Pascal Siakam - Back or Fools gold?

[ropjhk]

It helps that FVV has been playing at an all star level this season. I agree that Siakam still doesn't have the tools to be a really good first option scorer but he does excel as that secondary scorer who can score against secondary defenders or play off of other players. That's still a valuable player and he could be the missing piece for a lot of teams.

[floppymoose]

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

[PhilBlackson]

Back to being a really good 2nd option.

[KawhiSoSerious]

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

No thank you

[ropjhk]

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

I think the Raptors would prefer Siakam because I think he fits more of a need for the team with his passing and ability to play more on the interior.

[Got Nuffin]

He's playing really well and I don't think he is fool's gold - most teams trying to win would improve a lot with him manning the 4. He can create his shot in the half court, of course he can run in transition and he is a frantic defender. If you play off him to concentrate on someone else, he will cause havoc. On days when his 3 point shot is on, he looks like an all star.

Having said that, Scottie Barnes projects as a better player and I think his natural position is Siakam's. I also think they get in each other's way a bit on offence both liking that mid-high post area a lot. Relegating Scottie to the dunkers spot or waiting for a catch in the corner does make me hungry to see what he could do consistently if given the ball in the spots he actually needs to be successful on the court.

So IMO I think he will be traded in the off season.

[alevirfe]

always thought his downturn was overstated. he had a bad bubble after showing up unprepared but was mostly "back" in the second half of last season

he's stopped taking 3s and further improved as a playmaker. he's playing to his strengths

I do think he has another gear if he ever does find his 3 ball again, though his recent production shows he doesn't necessarily need it to be all-star level player

[cupcakesnake]

I wanna say “trade now or in the summer”, but I also feel like he might correct his three ball and be worth more by the deadline next year lol

I don't see why the Raps would feel rushed to trade Siakam. He has 2 years on his contract after this one (no options). Unless some incredible offer came in. There is maybe more urgency with Fred, who has a player option in 2004. I think the Raps are going to wait the season out and assess their situation in the offseason or at the next trade deadline. Barnes is 20 and OG is 24, but I don't know if that means you go into an immediate rebuild around them, unless the assets coming back are big.

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

Like... straight up? I do not think Wiggins approaches Siakam's trade value at all. At the beginning of the season (before Wiggins was good), I remember him being the salary matching piece in a larger Siakam trade (Wiggins + some combination of young guys and/or picks). Now I think Wiggins is too valuable to the Warriors to be salary filler, but I don't think he's gotten to the point where you could trade him for a star, regardless of what the fan vote say. I think a lot of the league still views Wiggins as a guy that needs to be in the right situation, rather than a player who's going to give you efficient production no matter.

[floppymoose]

Wiggins+Poole for Siakam? That's a lot of scoring and both players are younger than Siakam.

I don't think GS would do this simply because the current team is doing well, but if I were gunning for Siakam that would likely be my top offer as a GM.

[BostonCouchGM]

He's supremely gifted but lacks BBIQ. He doesn't know when to post and when to shoot from outside. I've seen him pass out of the post with a 6'3 guard switched onto him and then pass out of having the ball on the perimeter with a plodding center on him. It's really weird. Conversely, I've seen him try to take quicker guards off the dribble on the perimeter and try to post up strong wings with length. Dude is just dumb. But he's so gifted he can't help but put up numbers. Obviously he's good enough to be a #3 on a championship team but he's making #1 money right? I think he'd be moved for the right return but they aren't desperate and just fine keeping him for now.

[Ayt]

But in reality, the 2nd option always actually refers to the 2nd highest scorer and shot taker.

That's what it means.

And yes, lots of PGs actually handle the ball more than the 2nd option does. That doesn't make them a 2nd option though, that just makes them a point guard.

There were years where Steve Nash finished 4th on his team in shots. Are you trying to say Steve Nash wasn't a top 3 option for some of those Suns teams? It all depends on what you mean by option.

Again some people use the term "scoring option". Some people use the term "option" as just an abbreviated way of scoring option. Some people use the term "option" as overall role/ranking in an offense.

Arguing over dumb semantics is pretty much the dumbest argument you could have. All my original post was saying, not everyone uses the term "option" as an abbreviated use of "scoring option". Some use it as to say someone's role/ranking in an offense. So if someone was to say Siakam was a 3rd option for the Raptors championship team, I think its safe to assume they're using it as the role/ranking way of the word.

It's not semantics.

The "option" on offense always refers to the scorers, not the playmakers. That's just what it means.

Finley was the 2nd option on Dallas, not Nash.

I'm pretty sure Lowry had more time on the ball than Kawhi did. That doesn't make Lowry the 1st option.

Nobody said Siakam was the 2nd best player in the championship team. They said he was the 2nd option. Which he was.

The only one making a dumb semantics argument here is you - everybody knows what 2nd option refers to.

MVP Nash was 4th on his team in scoring so by your stupid logic he was the 4th option.

[phanman]

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

Like... straight up? I do not think Wiggins approaches Siakam's trade value at all. At the beginning of the season (before Wiggins was good), I remember him being the salary matching piece in a larger Siakam trade (Wiggins + some combination of young guys and/or picks). Now I think Wiggins is too valuable to the Warriors to be salary filler, but I don't think he's gotten to the point where you could trade him for a star, regardless of what the fan vote say. I think a lot of the league still views Wiggins as a guy that needs to be in the right situation, rather than a player who's going to give you efficient production no matter.

To add onto this, the fit for each player coming back is much worse than the status quo. Wiggins excels in Golden State because he isn't asked to be a primary scorer and can feast off the attention that the other guys bring to the table. He has developed into a sniper from the arc, currently sitting at 42.1% on 5.3 attempts (46.7% from the corners). He also has the task of guarding the most potent perimeter player on any given night.

Even with Curry and Klay backcourt and frontcourt of Pascal, Dray and Looney would be dreadful. Over the past few years, Pascal has also become more dominant with the team make up and he'd lose plenty of touches in GS with Dray being the primary ball handler. Wiggins would fill some holes with our starting unit in regards to spacing but we'd still be stuck with same issues we have currently. No real #1 option and we'd lose another valuable ball handler/play maker. OG and Barnes are both capable of manning the 4, but its one of those trade scenarios where I believe both teams value/would rather have their current player in uniform.

[floppymoose]

Siakam and Dray would split time like Curry and Poole. Siakam would only be at SF for less than half his minutes. He would be at PF when Dray is off. He would be at PF when Looney is off. Meanwhile Porter would get more SF minutes.

[Parataxis]

I’m curious what people think about a Wiggins Siakam trade now. Both players have stepped up.

It depends what GS is adding, but probably no.

[canada_dry]

Yes Siakam technically won a ring as a "second" option (we all know Lowry was the leader of that team with Kawhi as the best player) but let's not forget that it came against an injury depleted roster while having one of the best SFs ever having an all time great playoff run. Under normal circumstances, Siakam is probably not who you want as your #2. Raps fans I'm sure are going to take offense to that but it's the truth

Fk that. He owned an all time grest defender in Draymond green in the biggest moment of the series. And gave him problems ALL series.

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[canada_dry]

Back.

Better in ways. Pull up mid range and playmaking has upgraded. The 3 pt shot remains shaky

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He's fools gold. Like the OP said you guys have been playing G league teams, no one sends there players to Canada anymore.

Was very good against the suns too. So idk...

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[realball]

He's supremely gifted but lacks BBIQ. He doesn't know when to post and when to shoot from outside. I've seen him pass out of the post with a 6'3 guard switched onto him and then pass out of having the ball on the perimeter with a plodding center on him. It's really weird. Conversely, I've seen him try to take quicker guards off the dribble on the perimeter and try to post up strong wings with length. Dude is just dumb. But he's so gifted he can't help but put up numbers. Obviously he's good enough to be a #3 on a championship team but he's making #1 money right? I think he'd be moved for the right return but they aren't desperate and just fine keeping him for now.

This is dumbest post... Siakam's BBIQ is probably his biggest strength. He's an excellent play-maker who posts up almost every opportunity he can get. He's not "gifted" at all, he has a decent jumpshot at best and he's not a freak athlete, he contributes with hustle, being a post presence, and being at the right spots at the right time. You've clearly never seen him play properly.

[GiannisAnte34]

I think he's back. But I also think he's a glorified second option at best, probably a third option on a good team.

He was literally a second option on a championship winning team.

He wasn’t the clear cut 2nd option. Lowry could easily be considered more important. FVV at times, Gasol at other times.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

he is "back" but he's a second option anyways. If the Raptors find a player to supplant FVV and Siakam as the #1 option, the Raptors are a very very good team, probably a championship contender.

[tdotrep2]

Wiggins+Poole for Siakam? That's a lot of scoring and both players are younger than Siakam.

I don't think GS would do this simply because the current team is doing well, but if I were gunning for Siakam that would likely be my top offer as a GM.

i wouldnt wiggin in siakams role isnt the same wiggin with golden state. and i think siakam would benefit being on the warriors behind steph