Anyone else falling a sleep watching the new 76ers?

[levon]

half the fouls in the OP go uncalled every game for Lebron (and I'm sure Jokic, I just don't watch him enough)

at first i thought it's because these guys are going at defenders stronger and Lebron's old and slow so they don't give the same benefit, but Embiid is going at defenders even slower half the time and not even looking to finish. I straight up can't remember the last time Lebron attacked without the intention of scoring, only the intention of drawing free throws

and that's the key difference. if your move plausibly looks like a basketball move, it's easier to say "well he failed to execute that move successfully". if you throw your weight into the defender and throw some ugly garbage up, it's more plausible to say "well the defender must have impacted that, this star player couldn't possibly have failed this spectacularly"

and then once you have them in foul trouble, it's even easier to exploit this because you're in the bonus (see swingthrough--that should just be banned, no foul call whatsoever)

then when you bring this up, the fans of that team come at you with minute technicalities of defense that the defender shouldn't be doing, despite, you know, their foul-drawing player doing the same thing on the other end because most of them go uncalled in this wonderful game of ours

or they'll bring up perfectly legitimate fouls that their players drew, which only intend to muddy the waters. nobody's complaining about Fournier's take foul on Embiid because he's physically overwhelmed. that's what Embiid should be doing. stop trying to insult people's intelligence and gaslighting them

this strategy is trying to blugeon the wall enough so that the defense is now disarmed and you can do whatever you want in the city. other players try to tactically sneak in and around and over the wall. in the playoffs when that wall gets stronger, due to the quality of the opponent, the more contact allowed, and the night-to-night scheming, you're going to fail if you can't go in and around the wall without putting teams in the bonus

[Plain Old Josh]

Sixers turn to defend Hardens foul baiting. lol.

They have plenty of practice with Emibiid

It's tradition. Everyone hates Harden's foul baiting, until he joins their team.

[RB34]

Going to hilarious if the calls dry up in the playoffs like people are predicting.

I’m interested in knowing what you are basing this on. I haven’t looked up Harden’s FTA numbers, but here are Embiid’s for the previous two seasons:

2019-20
Regular: 8.5
Playoffs: 12.0

2020-21
Regular:10.7
Playoffs: 8.3

I’m basing it off what people have said in this forum and even in this thread. A lot of people believe calls will dry up in the playoffs, did I say it was going to happen?

[RB34]

A lot of fouls on Embiid are legit. You have a big man willing to go into the paint and take contact. It has always been that way for centers or bigs who drive a lot. Joel has 11.8 FTA per game this year. Giannis has 11.6 FTA per game this year. Why no one complaining about Giannis? Joel makes 82% while Giannis makes 72%. Are people mad because he makes his FT's at a good rate for a big? I commend him for working hard and becoming a good FT shooter, unlike his lazy-ass former team mate.

I think people dislike how a lot of Embiid’s calls come about. He flops around a lot.

He still baits some fouls, especially when younger players guard him from the perimeter (he seems to enjoy frustrating them), but it's like 1 in 8 of his foul calls. And teams can easily avoid that, most vets do so every single game. The rest of the fouls are him getting fouled on the drive or on rolls or putbacks, just him being a dominant big man. They're not baiting or flopping or anything else, he's 100% trying to score and gets fouled in the act. It gets pretty tiresome hearing people endlessly focus on the 1 in 8 and not just talking about the actual very good basketball player, confusing the one annoying part of his game for the real story there.

He’a an insanely good basketball player, I’m not arguing he isn’t but I’ve never seen someone so big hit the ground as much as him.

His flopping is extremely noticeable when he’s going for a contested rebound or running back and someone is near him.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I think having two 1337 foul drawers/baiters is even more annoying/exploitative since they get into the penalty earlier.

[kobe tier]

James Harden and Joel Embiid have both made more FTs than FGs this season

Embiid has made 555 free throws compared to 538 field goals this season
Harden has made 391 free throws compared to 351 field goals.

Embiid is on pace for his 2nd consecutive season with more FTM than FGM.
Harden is on pace for his 8th (out of 13) season with more FTM than FGM.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/embiid-total-career-stats
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/harden-total-career-stats

[sp6r=underrated]

No it isn't pleasing to watch. But lets be honest - if your team wins you don't care if they play the four corners. When the playoffs come the Sixers game may really translate as the game slows down. The X factor is Harden who has some playoff demons ro work out

Yup and I'll add if you dislike watching Harden play, blame the NBA for the rule book they wrote.

The NBA rule book
1. Allows very loose dribbling
2. Very large requirements for traveling to be called
3. Allows moving screens.
4. Default assumption that when contact occurs foul should be called on defender unless perfectly set.

That rule book makes Harden style of play very effective. Blame the NBA for making it that way

[sp6r=underrated]

Sixers turn to defend Hardens foul baiting. lol.

They have plenty of practice with Emibiid

It's tradition. Everyone hates Harden's foul baiting, until he joins their team.

You are right and that supports the contention the NBA has a problem.

Neutral fans dislike watching Harden style ball. It is dull watching a guy whose main objective when he drives the lane is to get FTA.

But the NBA despite a good start this year failed to stay aggressive against it. In a few years all the kids who grew up watching Harden will join the NBA and we will have tons of games that consist of monotonous basketball.

[og15]

Post the Harden trade the team is unwatchable.

example:
https://streamable.com/1oxrdr

Fouls and free throws should not count for the majority of a player's points.

I don't get it. You posted a video showing a lot of fouls happening, so is the complaint here that New York should foul less or that the refs should not call fouls which are fouls. The example video given here seems odd if I'm correctly understanding the aim of this thread.

[sp6r=underrated]

then opposing players should stop fouling embiid and harden. what a concept. i don't think it's boring basketball, i've watched more 76ers games than bulls games since the all-star break.

i think the opposition should start fouling them for real. see you're about to be cheated? make sure it counts and make it a hard one

Committing flagrant fouls to prove a point (especially if excessive) seems like a wise choice. One team gets foul shots and the ball back, and the other could potentially have their player ejected.

yup, nothing could help the Sixers more than what the "Foul em hard crowd" proposes.

Harden isn't cheating. He's playing by the rules and the people fouling him by and large are breaking the rules. That means either (i) there is no problem and defenders need to learn not to foul or (ii) the NBA has a problem with its rulebook leading to a boring product.

There isn't anything wrong with saying rules should be changed to make games exciting. That is why sportsleagues have a rule book, to make games entertaining for fans.

The solution, if you think Harden style basketball is boring is to lobby the NBA to change its rules to make it less effective. The NBA has done it before. It allowed zone defenses and cut down on handchecking to kill off Rileyball.

[meekrab]

No it isn't pleasing to watch. But lets be honest - if your team wins you don't care if they play the four corners. When the playoffs come the Sixers game may really translate as the game slows down. The X factor is Harden who has some playoff demons ro work out

Yup and I'll add if you dislike watching Harden play, blame the NBA for the rule book they wrote.

The NBA rule book
1. Allows very loose dribbling
2. Very large requirements for traveling to be called
3. Allows moving screens.
4. Default assumption that when contact occurs foul should be called on defender unless perfectly set.

That rule book makes Harden style of play very effective. Blame the NBA for making it that way

Yep, the rule book is designed to make games high scoring.

[LordCovington33]

Going to hilarious if the calls dry up in the playoffs like people are predicting.

I’m interested in knowing what you are basing this on. I haven’t looked up Harden’s FTA numbers, but here are Embiid’s for the previous two seasons:

2019-20
Regular: 8.5
Playoffs: 12.0

2020-21
Regular:10.7
Playoffs: 8.3

I’m basing it off what people have said in this forum and even in this thread. A lot of people believe calls will dry up in the playoffs, did I say it was going to happen?

Okay, you basing “this prediction” off nothing. Just talk, which is also basing it off nothing. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

[LordCovington33]

Post the Harden trade the team is unwatchable.

example:
https://streamable.com/1oxrdr

Fouls and free throws should not count for the majority of a player's points.

I don't get it. You posted a video showing a lot of fouls happening, so is the complaint here that New York should foul less or that the refs should not call fouls which are fouls. The example video given here seems odd if I'm correctly understanding the aim of this thread.

Yep, fouls were being committed.I agree. So what are the sixers meant to do? Not take it to paint and play a less efficient game to make it more exciting for fans who don’t like fouls.

[sp6r=underrated]

Post the Harden trade the team is unwatchable.

example:
https://streamable.com/1oxrdr

Fouls and free throws should not count for the majority of a player's points.

I don't get it. You posted a video showing a lot of fouls happening, so is the complaint here that New York should foul less or that the refs should not call fouls which are fouls. The example video given here seems odd if I'm correctly understanding the aim of this thread.

Yep, fouls were being committed.I agree. So what are the sixers meant to do? Not take it to paint and play a less efficient game to make it more exciting for fans who don’t like fouls.

This is the quintessential don't hate the player hate the game situation.

Everyone treats Harden like the villain. And there are very good reasons to dislike the guy but him playing intelligent isn't one of em.

[jfs1000d]

Ha. So slow, boring, and headed to the 4 seed.


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[mrmsix6]

James Harden is a plague upon the league - absolutely miserable player to watch.

I cannot wait until the day he retires.

[RB34]

I’m interested in knowing what you are basing this on. I haven’t looked up Harden’s FTA numbers, but here are Embiid’s for the previous two seasons:

2019-20
Regular: 8.5
Playoffs: 12.0

2020-21
Regular:10.7
Playoffs: 8.3

I’m basing it off what people have said in this forum and even in this thread. A lot of people believe calls will dry up in the playoffs, did I say it was going to happen?

Okay, you basing “this prediction” off nothing. Just talk, which is also basing it off nothing. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

Hence why I said “if”

It’s really not that deep.

[nomansland]

Foul baiting is always boring and annoying but if the league lets them get away with it, as they say hate the game not the player.

Anyway if I were a Sixer fan I'd be fine with it as long as they're winning.

[brutalitops]

Its a real issue the amount of charity they get, However you posted the ONE game where the Knicks so undisiplined and legit fouled Embiid all night because they had no answer. Its the one game where they earned all those calls legitmately

Could of used like 6/7 other examples

[robbie84]

76ers playoff broadcasts are going to go for like 4 hours, legit.