TMac says that Kyrie & KD duo are more skilled than LeBron & Wade and Jordan & Pippen

Lalouie · Post #41 » by **Lalouie** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:50 am

"more skilled" maybe true, but what's kyrie and kd's experience away from lebron and gsw and on their own trying to lead a team?????? :lol:

you realize "skilled" in basketball parlance means OFFENSE

quote "offense is a skill, i can teach defense".

therefore yes, kd/kyrie is more skilled than mj/scottie or lebron/wade

dont mean they're better , however

jfs1000d · Post #42 » by **jfs1000d** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:51 am

He is 100% right. They aren’t better though. Lol.

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JXL · Post #43 » by **JXL** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:55 am

TMac, you taking that back?

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Jazz9 · Post #44 » by **Jazz9** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:02 am

It's the same thing every time with Kyrie.
When he has a great game you'll hear current and ex players gush about his skills and how it's a travesty that he isn't top 75 (they don't care about a guy with a better case in Howard though, must not like his handles I guess...)
But when he's off and can't bring anything else to the table, because yes he's more limited than they make it seem (shocker I know).....*crickets*

falcolombardi · Post #45 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:03 am

skilled as in technical skill? handle, shooting, etc? maybe

more skilled as in better at basketball? no way lol

Post #46 » by **infinite11285** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:06 am

Read on Twitter

And as several previous posters have pointed out, possessing more skills doesn't necessarily make them the best duo.

cpower · Post #47 » by **cpower** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:10 am

the only thing KD and Kyrie doing better is iso ball. lmao TMAC what a bum

jokeboy86 · Post #48 » by **jokeboy86** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:24 am

Most of these guys are wings/guards who grew up playing hustle/pickup games or 1 on 1 so of course they’re going to glorify those who would shine in those environments. Its the reason why they always feel guys like AI/Melo/Marbury/Irving never get respect imo. Some of this I also blame on Stern for going away from making the traditional big man the stars of the league and basically getting media to want everybody to play like guards and wings. Now thats what everybody has been conditioned to respect now.

Post #49 » by **og15** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:55 am

cpower wrote:the only thing KD and Kyrie doing better is iso ball. lmao TMAC what a bum

Not true, both very all round offensively skilled players but the other duos had other aspects that trump that, and if we add passing skill to the mix, Kyrie and KD are the weakest of the 6 players mentioned.

PierceFan4ever · Post #50 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:20 am

Neither of these guys are more skilled than Michael Jordan get out with that crap. Michael Jordan averaged 33.5 career in the playoffs, that’s not all athleticism or genetics. He would never have a game like Kyrie and Durant had this recent playoff game.

lambchop · Post #51 » by **lambchop** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:57 am

Really depends how you define skill. KD has incredible fluidity and ball handling for someone his height. But even just compared to LBJ the areas where KD dominates him would be FT shooting by a mile, midrange pullups by a mile and 3 point shooting by 4% for his career.

However, I don't consider KD a better ball handler than LBJ even if KDs crossover looks cooler, he does get stripped quite a bit. LBJ is obviously the much better passer, has post moves and is an extremely gifted finisher with his left hand. I'm not even going to start the MJ comparison.

Kyrie is definitely the flashiest scorer of them all and has otherwordly finishing ability with both hands, plus he can score from anywhere on the court. You can't simply be physical with him or but a long defender on him and expect it to have an impact. Of course, as a passer he isn't anywhere near Jordan, LBJ, Wade.

Post #52 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:57 am

Are they skilled enough to make it to the ECF?

dlts20 · Post #53 » by **dlts20** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:59 am

People keep saying that this is the kind of D that Curry and Bron sees but I don't even believe that. He's really not getting doubled, let alone tripled. An extra defender may challenge at the end but most of this is just good one on one defense. It just shows you how flawed KD is. Even at 7ft, he can shoot over you but he has never truly developed the Jordan like post game, let alone a 7 footers post game

Statlanta · Post #54 » by **Statlanta** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:43 pm

If he just said better shooters this wouldn't even be a thread. Now we gotta argue what skills are, compare the duos to each other, and question T-Mac's basketball IQ

ropjhk · Post #55 » by **ropjhk** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:42 pm

Wallace_Wallace wrote:
Nate505 wrote:If it's true, it's not by much, and it just proves that "skilled" doesn't mean everything.

How you use your skills matters.

Take my username for example. Ben Wallace is probably the greatest player who the least amount of skills, while Rasheed Wallace is perhaps the worst player with the best skillsets for a big man (post moves, mid/long range, passing, anchor, help side defense, you name it). I would think Ben Wallace is valued and ranked more highly than Rasheed Wallace in the NBA history books.

Agreed. TMac may also be making a distinction between skills and athleticism. MJ, Pippen, Lebron and Wade would be considered by most to be more athletic than KD and Irving. They all have more competitive fire and better leadership (let's not count leadership as a basketball as opposed to being a life skill).

I'm not sure whether KD and Irving are more skilled than those other duos. They might be. Even if they are more skilled that doesn't make them better players and they certainly are not a greater duo than the others.

sp6r=underrated · Post #56 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:06 pm

NBA basketball players judge their peers "skill level" based solely on-ball isolation. Screen setting isn't a skill. Off ball movement isn't considered. Passing isn't considered. Boxing out isn't a skill. And defense never enters the picture. It is handles, ability to get by 1-1 defender, shoot.

This ignores most of the skills necessary to be a successful NBA player.

makubesu · Post #57 » by **makubesu** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:14 pm

How good of a shooter would MJ be if he had KD’s height and could just shoot over everyone? Why do we separate out speed, strength, and body control but not height?

dhsilv2 · Post #58 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:37 pm

mynameKIM wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:Is defense not a skill?

Its debatable. I'd say defense is 80% athleticism and length. When was the last time u saw a laterally slow and short defender get all NBA defense nods?

What short laterally slow player is in the NBA?

dhsilv2 · Post #59 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:39 pm

og15 wrote:
cpower wrote:the only thing KD and Kyrie doing better is iso ball. lmao TMAC what a bum

Not true, both very all round offensively skilled players but the other duos had other aspects that trump that, and if we add passing skill to the mix, Kyrie and KD are the weakest of the 6 players mentioned.

You really think Irving is a worse passer than MJ? I consider both pretty good but not great for what it's worth.

dhsilv2 · Post #60 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:42 pm

makubesu wrote:How good of a shooter would MJ be if he had KD’s height and could just shoot over everyone? Why do we separate out speed, strength, and body control but not height?

Speed, strength, body control, and height are mostly athletic ability and not skill. Body control is the one possibly debatable aspect which has elements of both.