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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#41 » by MorbidHEAT » Mon May 30, 2022 4:15 am

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MorbidHEAT wrote:We lost the game for other reasons, but that 3 taken away killed the momentum we had at that point.

I've never ever seen that happen. Obviously a foot on the line to see if its a 2 or 3 is reviewed. However, to retroactively remove points 10 minutes later because a player may have stepped out of bounds is crazy to me.

I don't know how you police that. Are you checking every play? Are they retroactively going to give somebody a foul for a call that a referee missed? I dont get it.

Nothing to do with it being my team, I would say this for any team.


Read the thread.

They check every shot. Because he was out of bounds on the shot, they can overturn it. Had it been a few steps before, they can’t. It’s the right call.

Why should the Heat get 3 free points from an obvious out of bounds play?


I wouldn't call that clear, at least not from the angle they showed on tv, but thats not the point. The team is irrelevant, forget about the Heat. Doesnt matter who it is.

No team should have that benefit. However, why should any team benefit from a missed offensive basket interference call, for example? You see that all the time where the ball is clearly over the cylinder and its not caught during the game. If all shots are reviewed, should that not be overturned and the points deducted? Why are obvious bad calls by the ref not overturned retroactively?

It feels like missed calls from the refs should not be looked at like that no matter who it benefits or doesn't benefit.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#42 » by DeBrick » Mon May 30, 2022 10:45 am

I'm still not sure if he's out, it looks like his heel is hovering just above the line to me. Too close to make a call like that. If they didn't take the 3 away no one would have noticed or complained.
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Post#43 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 30, 2022 10:51 am

Ok Miami you can have the three back. 100-99 it is.
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Post#44 » by MrBigShot » Mon May 30, 2022 11:00 am

He clearly stepped out. They got the call right.

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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#45 » by Froob » Mon May 30, 2022 11:14 am

Lowry got the Heat enough calls lol, they got plenty.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#46 » by Rancid669 » Mon May 30, 2022 11:44 am

Wish they would have reviewed all the points Boston got on possessions where they traveled.
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Post#47 » by kuclas » Mon May 30, 2022 12:00 pm

The timing of the reversal of the call is the really odd.

Score is was 56-51. So the 3 made it 56-54. But Boston got control back and push lead to 65-57. So with the call the score was 65-54 with Boston at free Throw line for 2 more points.

Nba games are all about momentum.

So Boston was at the line for free throws when they changed the call. Essentially making it a 13 point game after the reversal. A huge momentum swing.

Honestly. Though it’s the right call. There are various reversals nba should consider as well. How about ball going off the wrong team but refs give it to the other team and the other team knows it and quickly in bounds it. And scores immediately afterwards. I think those points should be reversed as well? What do you think?

So if a team immediately scores after a wrong official change of possession those points need to be wiped off as well.
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Post#48 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 30, 2022 12:12 pm

kuclas wrote:The timing of the reversal of the call is the really odd.

Score is was 56-51. So the 3 made it 56-54. But Boston got control back and push lead to 65-57. So with the call the score was 65-54 with Boston at free Throw line for 2 more points.

Nba games are all about momentum.

So Boston was at the line for free throws when they changed the call. Essentially making it a 13 point game after the reversal. A huge momentum swing.

Honestly. Though it’s the right call. There are various reversals nba should consider as well. How about ball going off the wrong team but refs give it to the other team and the other team knows it and quickly in bounds it. And scores immediately afterwards. I think those points should be reversed as well? What do you think?

So if a team immediately scores after a wrong official change of possession those points need to be wiped off as well.

Yeah well the Heat got a huge immediate momentum swing from a fraudulent three earlier so it evens out in the end.
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Post#49 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon May 30, 2022 12:19 pm

it looked like he was out of bound. the better team were the Celtics and I believe they would be the better match up for the Warriors. Heat are walking wounded right now.
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Post#50 » by jaybiddyforeal » Mon May 30, 2022 12:32 pm

Worst officiated series since the kings lakers debacle. I wish I knew how to video edit. The wrong call compilation would be so embarrassing for the league (although they literally don’t give two **** about their product)
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Post#51 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon May 30, 2022 1:26 pm

There should absolutely be some sort of limit on how long after a play happens it can be overturned by refs in NJ.

I mean, what's to stop them from finally making that exact same call on the Strus shot with 30 seconds left in the game if they can take as long as they want to come to a decision?

I say refs should only be allowed to reverse a call before someone else scores. So what if it makes them make decisions quickly. if it is an obvious mistake it should be easy to make quickly. if it is unclear then let the game go on.
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Post#52 » by RB34 » Mon May 30, 2022 1:28 pm

Rancid669 wrote:Wish they would have reviewed all the points Boston got on possessions where they traveled.


Strus travelled on this play.
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Post#53 » by Bergmaniac » Mon May 30, 2022 1:33 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:There should absolutely be some sort of limit on how long after a play happens it can be overturned by refs in NJ.

I mean, what's to stop them from finally making that exact same call on the Strus shot with 30 seconds left in the game if they can take as long as they want to come to a decision?

IIRC down the stretch of close games the refs stop the play to immediately review such cases. At least they do when there is a doubt if it's a 2 or 3, I can't recall this happening for a stepping out of bounds play.
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Post#54 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon May 30, 2022 1:59 pm

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MorbidHEAT wrote:We lost the game for other reasons, but that 3 taken away killed the momentum we had at that point.

I've never ever seen that happen. Obviously a foot on the line to see if its a 2 or 3 is reviewed. However, to retroactively remove points 10 minutes later because a player may have stepped out of bounds is crazy to me.

I don't know how you police that. Are you checking every play? Are they retroactively going to give somebody a foul for a call that a referee missed? I dont get it.

Nothing to do with it being my team, I would say this for any team.


Read the thread.

They check every shot. Because he was out of bounds on the shot, they can overturn it. Had it been a few steps before, they can’t. It’s the right call.

Why should the Heat get 3 free points from an obvious out of bounds play?


No, they don't check every shot. They only reviewed that shot to see if it was a 2 or a 3, which is completely insane given how far he was behind the line.

It was ridiculous to review it in the first place and ridiculous to pretend there was conclusive evidence to overturn.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#55 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon May 30, 2022 2:11 pm

amcoolio wrote:Charlotte missed the 7th seed becuase in their game vs. Miami in overtime they gave Lowry a three when he stepped on the line, and then refused to review it, so the karma is deserved


I don't wanna hear anything about Charlotte, they were awarded 4 points on a dead ball shot they never made lol
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Post#56 » by Patsfan1081 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:17 pm

Oh the “what if” game………… :roll:
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#57 » by sip » Mon May 30, 2022 2:34 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:We lost the game for other reasons, but that 3 taken away killed the momentum we had at that point.

I've never ever seen that happen. Obviously a foot on the line to see if its a 2 or 3 is reviewed. However, to retroactively remove points 10 minutes later because a player may have stepped out of bounds is crazy to me.

I don't know how you police that. Are you checking every play? Are they retroactively going to give somebody a foul for a call that a referee missed? I dont get it.

Nothing to do with it being my team, I would say this for any team.


Killed your momentum? The heat had no momentum at that point. The celtics were the team with the momentum prior to the refs making the change.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#58 » by srhcan » Mon May 30, 2022 3:17 pm

Heat should have played better in 1st quarter
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#59 » by og15 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:05 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:There should absolutely be some sort of limit on how long after a play happens it can be overturned by refs in NJ.

I mean, what's to stop them from finally making that exact same call on the Strus shot with 30 seconds left in the game if they can take as long as they want to come to a decision?

I say refs should only be allowed to reverse a call before someone else scores. So what if it makes them make decisions quickly. if it is an obvious mistake it should be easy to make quickly. if it is unclear then let the game go on.
There is a limit, I think it's like 2 minutes or something

kuclas wrote:The timing of the reversal of the call is the really odd.

Score is was 56-51. So the 3 made it 56-54. But Boston got control back and push lead to 65-57. So with the call the score was 65-54 with Boston at free Throw line for 2 more points.

Nba games are all about momentum.

So Boston was at the line for free throws when they changed the call. Essentially making it a 13 point game after the reversal. A huge momentum swing.

Honestly. Though it’s the right call. There are various reversals nba should consider as well. How about ball going off the wrong team but refs give it to the other team and the other team knows it and quickly in bounds it. And scores immediately afterwards. I think those points should be reversed as well? What do you think?

So if a team immediately scores after a wrong official change of possession those points need to be wiped off as well.

No, that's becomes too much. It should only be if there is something directly related to the player shooting to score.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#60 » by Cricket23 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:08 pm

RB34 wrote:
Rancid669 wrote:Wish they would have reviewed all the points Boston got on possessions where they traveled.


Strus travelled on this play.


That's how I saw it as well.

It seems strange taking away a basket minutes later but I saw it happen to Boston during the regular season. I believe it was on a Horford 3, and I thought what the hell.

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