What would you give up for Trae?

[Pointgod]

It depends entirely on the team trading for him and the team makeup. Trae’s strengths and weaknesses are well known.

[CallMeKahn]

Assuming Trae absolutely wanted out and did not care where he went?

Utah:
24 Swap w/ UTH if pick doesn't convey to OKC, else 25 or 26 swap depending on conveyance
25 CLE Unp
27 CLE Unp
29 CLE Unp
Sexton
Vanderbilt
Bogdanovic

Could argue semantic on the package later.

[kg01]

Nothing.

Agreed. There's nothing good enough to trade for Trae.

[Bornstellar]

Nothing, and not because he isn't an elite player, but because it would take too many assets that would ultimately defeat the purpose.

[Texas Chuck]

Hawks fans think its a troll thread if...

We know it's a troll thread if it's a post that should be in the comparison or trade boards but the mods just stare at it until some a**hole like me has to come along and remind them of their own rules.

Trade board passes. We lock troll/vanity threads on sight. GB is a volume game. Threads like this are core content here.

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[longtallbrad]

Young is getting undervalued on this board. That said, he needs the right coach and right supporting cast to shine and reach the next level, which for him probably needs to include steadier and more successful postseason play.

I don't really see the Isiah Thomas comparison, other than they are smaller point guards who have the mindset and offensive skills to carry their team in crunch time. On paper he's the next Tiny Archibald, blowing up the stat box with scoring and passing but not (yet) lifting his team into contention.

In some ways he reminds me more of, say, Tim Hardaway - a really competent offensive point guard who will shoot his team out of some games but brings enough net benefit to eventually be a fixture in the All-Star Game and make some noise in the playoffs.

[longtallbrad]

Just realized I completely missed the OP's question.

I'm a lifelong Nuggets guy and think Young would be a poor fit with Jokic. He would need the ball far too much and would only accentuate Denver's defensive shortcomings.

[dhsilv2]

Trae is a small guard who is offensively brilliant but "defensively challenged". What team has ever won a championship with such a player as their best player?

No one in the modern era. Closest was probably Tiny Archibald and the '81 Celtics, but they also had Larry Bird and a deep front line.

So who could afford to take Trae as their 2nd/3rd best player? In a league with a progressively punishing salary cap?

Gotta be a franchise that is willing to spend tons of money, has a bunch of defenders, and is frustrated at not getting over the hump. Clippers? Philly?

I think Atlanta and it's fans should get used to the idea that the Haws will be highly entertaining and will win a lot of regular season games, but are not really contenders anytime soon.

I'd guess some considered Parker the best spur in 2014, don't agree, but he'd be your closest comp i think.

[dhsilv2]

I wouldn't want to build around him. He's insanely talented and obviously a budding star, but his flaws and just his size are a serious problem. If he were on my team I'd simply want more than he'd be worth to most other teams. But I'd also likely be drinking a LOT more whisky if I had to figure out how to win with him.

[Statlanta]

Trae has MVP potential. Would definitely unload the asset cart if my team was close. A team like Orlando...Trae/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Carter

so..

Markelle Fultz
Jonathan Isaac
Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs
Chuma Okeke
2023 1st Unprotected
2023 1st Chicago (1-4 Protected)
2025 1st Unprotected
2027 1st Unprotected
2029 1st Unprotected
2024 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st Pick Swap

People be the first to trade other people's assets and not their own teams(I understand both Morant and Young are PG).

[Asianiac_24]

Cleveland would be a great fit, or Wolves with Gobert. Maybe Mitchell + picks? Or KAT + Russell for Trae + Collins

[oldncreaky]

Trae is a small guard who is offensively brilliant but "defensively challenged". What team has ever won a championship with such a player as their best player?

No one in the modern era. Closest was probably Tiny Archibald and the '81 Celtics, but they also had Larry Bird and a deep front line.

So who could afford to take Trae as their 2nd/3rd best player? In a league with a progressively punishing salary cap?

Gotta be a franchise that is willing to spend tons of money, has a bunch of defenders, and is frustrated at not getting over the hump. Clippers? Philly?

I think Atlanta and it's fans should get used to the idea that the Haws will be highly entertaining and will win a lot of regular season games, but are not really contenders anytime soon.

I'd guess some considered Parker the best spur in 2014, don't agree, but he'd be your closest comp i think.

Tony Parker in 2014 was neither dominant offensively, nor bad defensively.

On the 2014 Spurs, Kawhi led the team in VORP (3.5), followed by Duncan (2.9). Tony Parker was 8th in VORP (1.5), as well as a minor positive on defence (0.9 in DBPM).

Tony is closer (4th) in WS, but it's still the same basic story, as it is with pretty much any other metric. He was very good offensively, OK defensively, and not a better player than either Kawhi of Duncan.

[cupcakesnake]

Trae is probably a top 5 source of offense. He has the best combination of shooting and passing sine Steve Nash. He's better offensively than all these other small guards (Mitchell, SGA, Booker, Ja, we'll see if Lillard bounces back), even if he is worse than all of them defensively. Atlanta was the #2 offense despite both their starting forwards missing half the season.

Yes he had 1 catastrophic playoff series against Miami. But our memories are capable of more than a couple months. Trae played very well in 2021, taking Atlanta all the way to the conference finals. He has 3 very good playoff series and 1 total dud.

I don't think there's a trade package that would ever make sense for Trae. He's too good. The only thing the Hawks would give him up for is someone like Giannis or Jokic or maybe Doncic (sorry Hawks fans, don't hate me). Atlanta rightfully sees Trae as the offensive centerpiece on a championship team. Their team-building task is simple: get elite defensive players on the floor around Trae with just enough offense to counter playoff adjustments that overload on their star point guard.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Trae has MVP potential. Would definitely unload the asset cart if my team was close. A team like Orlando...Trae/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Carter

so..

Markelle Fultz
Jonathan Isaac
Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs
Chuma Okeke
2023 1st Unprotected
2023 1st Chicago (1-4 Protected)
2025 1st Unprotected
2027 1st Unprotected
2029 1st Unprotected
2024 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st Pick Swap

Why in the world are we giving up 4 unprotected picks, 2 swaps and 1 protected when we actually draft pretty well?

[MrBigShot]

Hawks fans think its a troll thread if...

We know it's a troll thread if it's a post that should be in the comparison or trade boards but the mods just stare at it until some a**hole like me has to come along and remind them of their own rules.

Trade board passes. We lock troll/vanity threads on sight. GB is a volume game. Threads like this are core content here.

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Yeah, c'mon now...the mods here do excellent job. Just because some posters are critical of Trae doesn't make it a troll thread. Some people really have absolutely ZERO clue what bad moderation is, and trust me, there is a whole lot of it on the internet.

As far as the question goes, anything outside of Cade would be fair game...but whatever it would take to get him would leave the team bereft of assets so it wouldn't be worth it.

[Lockdown504090]

Isiah Thomas II?
Tyrese Maxey?

They keep mentioning Trae Young with such mediocre players...

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While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes

[Johnny Bball]

Sorry, but no way the Raptors trade for Trae. He doesn't fit what they're doing at all, and it's not just a size thing. If you're not efficient on O and more importantly - you don't play D - they don't want you, especially with a cap killing type contract.

The team swore off compensating for one-way fake stars when they traded away Demar.

Huh? Trae last 3 years:

.595 TS%
.589 TS%
.603 TS%

This is absolutely elite efficiency or close for his counting stats. Much better that Demar when he was in Toronto. Strange comparison.

He is talented and gifted offensively, and I love that he plays the villain so damn well, but literally one of the worst defenders in the league. I wouldn't take him based on his contract, if I can't trade him ever and he's not an asset. The cap space is too valuable and I would be building a different way.

Toronto would not take him (based on the imagined limitations) and it would not improve them. One weak link can kill a defence, and you can't hide guys like you used to be able to with the way defences are evolving. His cap space would also eat up both FVV and GTJ's pay taking both of them out creating another hole, so nah.

You’re saying the guy that lead the nba in points and assists at 23 yrs old (a year after leading the hawks to ECF at 22) isn’t an asset? Huh? And Toronto with Trae would be better…..hawks had the #13 defense in the 2nd half of the season despite starting Trae, Huerter and Gallo who are negative defensively.

Did you even read what either of us posted?

[dhsilv2]

Trae is a small guard who is offensively brilliant but "defensively challenged". What team has ever won a championship with such a player as their best player?

No one in the modern era. Closest was probably Tiny Archibald and the '81 Celtics, but they also had Larry Bird and a deep front line.

So who could afford to take Trae as their 2nd/3rd best player? In a league with a progressively punishing salary cap?

Gotta be a franchise that is willing to spend tons of money, has a bunch of defenders, and is frustrated at not getting over the hump. Clippers? Philly?

I think Atlanta and it's fans should get used to the idea that the Haws will be highly entertaining and will win a lot of regular season games, but are not really contenders anytime soon.

I'd guess some considered Parker the best spur in 2014, don't agree, but he'd be your closest comp i think.

Tony Parker in 2014 was neither dominant offensively, nor bad defensively.

On the 2014 Spurs, Kawhi led the team in VORP (3.5), followed by Duncan (2.9). Tony Parker was 8th in VORP (1.5), as well as a minor positive on defence (0.9 in DBPM).

Tony is closer (4th) in WS, but it's still the same basic story, as it is with pretty much any other metric. He was very good offensively, OK defensively, and not a better player than either Kawhi of Duncan.

I clearly stated I disagreed with him as the best, but there were those who thought so. But that said he was a bad defender. Not Trae bad but bad. The difference is that the spurs had a decade of work hiding his weaknesses and had done well with it!

[sp6r=underrated]

Trae is probably a top 5 source of offense. He has the best combination of shooting and passing sine Steve Nash. He's better offensively than all these other small guards (Mitchell, SGA, Booker, Ja, we'll see if Lillard bounces back), even if he is worse than all of them defensively. Atlanta was the #2 offense despite both their starting forwards missing half the season.

Yes he had 1 catastrophic playoff series against Miami. But our memories are capable of more than a couple months. Trae played very well in 2021, taking Atlanta all the way to the conference finals. He has 3 very good playoff series and 1 total dud.

I don't think there's a trade package that would ever make sense for Trae. He's too good. The only thing the Hawks would give him up for is someone like Giannis or Jokic or maybe Doncic (sorry Hawks fans, don't hate me). Atlanta rightfully sees Trae as the offensive centerpiece on a championship team. Their team-building task is simple: get elite defensive players on the floor around Trae with just enough offense to counter playoff adjustments that overload on their star point guard.

This is basically my take with one caveat. Trae is capable of being the cornerstone of a title team, and thus basically untradeable, but he is one of the hardest elite players to build around in recent memory. His defensive weaknesses really are extreme and it isnt much his fault.

Trae is short and very slight.

[WillyJakkz]

Trae has MVP potential. Would definitely unload the asset cart if my team was close. A team like Orlando...Trae/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Carter

so..

Markelle Fultz
Jonathan Isaac
Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs
Chuma Okeke
2023 1st Unprotected
2023 1st Chicago (1-4 Protected)
2025 1st Unprotected
2027 1st Unprotected
2029 1st Unprotected
2024 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st Pick Swap

You meant Kevin Durant