OT: NBA 2K23 is a hate crime against gamers.

[jokeboy86]

Doesnt help that appears that EA has basically waved the white flag when it comes to Live and they probably dont care with the money they get from Madden and Fifa.

At this point I’m actually surprised that the NBA or 2K hasnt sought a Madden type exclusivity deal which would basically make 2K care even less about improving the game yearly than they do now.

[Adelheid]

that jesus bynum thing really finished off nba live lol

[OdomFan]

I stopped caring about the series once they removed the public Allstar Team Up mode. (not a fan of player control) That was pretty much the only mode I played other than messing around with season modes in offline play.
Long time 2k fan btw dating back to 2k1 on the Dreamcast. Last really good one imo was 2011, and the last one I played often was 2k18.

[JN61]

I see the same thread yearly from the same posters. One begs the question; why support something you don't like year in, year out.

[Tempe]

I wish they'd put more effort into all of the modes, especially things like 'MyLeague' - it would be really cool to see some type of storyline for that or something. MyPlayer has never caught my interest

They updated the Myleague a lot this year. You can now start off in the 1980s, 90s, or 2000s as well as modern era. If you turn on the setting you can also get different tasks and upgrades to your GM you can get if


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[kenwood3333]

Thats a very typical business model, not specific to this particular game. Those revenue is used to cover the ever rising labour cost and marketing (e.g. paying nba players XXX just to appear on the cover).

[Karate Diop]

All these sports games are just 95% copy and paste the code from previous years (I know Madden has been caught doing this multiple times) and then add some stupid new mode or feature and that’s all they push when advertising the game.

Back in the day I used to know the release date for games like Madden and 2k months prior their release because it was so fun to see the improvements from game to game. I went a good 4-5 years without buying a Madden game then saw the latest one for sale (this was like a year and a half ago) and decided to see the changes. Literally no change at all. All the menu setups were identical. The in game features for things like Franchise mode were all identical. 2k the same thing, they basically just change the storyline for the first year of MyCareer (most people try to skip that cringe stuff anyways) and that’s really the only change they make.

So ya stop buying those games and stop playing those games online and buying DLC. That is the only way they will ever make any changes. The era of great sports games is definitely long gone.

I personally haven't bought a 2K since 2K18, what I noticed around 2K9, at which point I'd buy the game every 2-3 years, was that it never made sense to buy the game on it's release date because there were always game breaking glitches / flaws that ruined the experience and wouldn't be fixed until at least a month or two post release...

It sucks that this trend has gotten worse and affects nearly all genres of games since then.

[sp6r=underrated]

As I said in my previous post, I've aged out of gaming. But I did hang with Madden long enough to see the trend you pointed out. My dad passed last year and overall it was just a **** year for me. So I picked up a Madden for the first time since roughly 2012. It took me all of an hour to 2 hours to get decent at it just from muscle memory. It took me all of 5 minutes to remember the good plays you should run. Basically they had made no changes for years. And I want to be clear I was a middle aged guy picking up a controller for the first time in forever just because I was in the dumps about my dad.

The truth is fans have made it clear they don't give a **** about significant improvements year to year.

All fans want is updated rosters; incremental graphics improvements. That is it. And that is what they get. As long as they get that, they can sell tons of copies of these games so that is what they do.

As an aside, and I don't know how true this is, but my cousin was telling me that exclusives for systems have also faded away.

Movies, which I love, are in a period of stagnation. The major movies are just dominated by franchises with the rest being very small award oriented movies. Maybe video games are in a similar spot. But I'm speaking from a place of ignorance so I defer to others.

Wow!
So you've aged out of gaming, but then tell us exactly what all gamers want.... and you are so far wrong it's not funny.

Those things you say gamers want, that's exactly what gamers whinge about every year. They don't want copy and pasted games that are essentially just roster updates. Not one single person ever has asked for that, your post is complete nonsense.

I think youre drastically misreading his post.

He isn’t saying that is what they’re literally saying. He’s saying that is what they’re showing with their wallets. People can complain about the minimal improvements year to year where each game is essentially just a roster patch, but people keep on buying them. And the fact that people keep on buying them just leads to these games not changing. If say 50% of the fans just decided enough was enough and didn’t buy 2k24. You better believe 2k25 would have massive improvements.

Thank you, I am making a revealed preference argument. For those unfamiliar with the term a write-up below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revealed_preference

It basically means look at what people actually purchase (or do) rather than what they say to figure out what they care about.

Not a perfect example but if someone says they really care a lot about staying healthy but you find out they spend no money on healthy food or a gym membership but spend a lot of money on fast food, ice cream and sedentary goods it is fair to question whether staying healthy is a priority.

Now my ignorance about games may mean I'm wrong. Maybe sales are plummeting or in the alternative there really are significant improvements in the game year to year.

I have to say I didn't see that in Madden. It really looked just like the same old game. And the sales look strong.

[Duffman100]

If u have the time this is a good watch...if u like video games in general and the way pay to win is going...

Watch on YouTube

I lasted like 7 minutes. The commentator is really really annoying.

[twozeroMM]

It's truly a shame - I've seen some videos of mycareer games and it seems like AI teammates still suck and can't really do anything themselves.

I plan on doing the same thing I did with 2k22 and that's to wait a few months and buy it on ebay for way less. I was able to buy the 75th Anniversary Edition, that includes 100k VC for $15 dollars.

[sp6r=underrated]

It was much worse a few years ago when they literally had virtual CASINOS in the damn game.

That is so gross. The proliferation of open gambling is going to be a disaster for society. Gambling is addictive and there are people prone to becoming problem gamblers. These games are also designed to be addictive.

Now we have people walking around with slot machines hooked up to their life savings/credits cards via smart phone gambling. And the advertising is everywhere. I'm a baseball fan. If you watch MLB games, every inning they openly plug gambling.

I genuinely hope some gambling addicts are able to file and win class action lawsuits against these people. And before you laugh, remember that was a big thing that really turned the tide against tobacco. They used to always win suits and juries would say it is the smokers and in the 90s it flipped. It really forced Big Tobacco to make concessions.

And I hope that happens to all these gambler merchants. I had no idea virtual casinos were in games in which people could spend real cash. I'm really glad that wasn't around when I was a kid. And I probably wouldn't let my kids have em if I was parent. Just as I wouldn't buy a 14 yr old booze.

The tolerance of gambling in society is really bad. Even if you like to gamble, I think you can concede this isn't something that should be promoted so heavily.

[Hipster Doofus]

I stopped purchasing this franchise at NBA2K15.

I don't care about updating my player, I don't care about purchasing and using VC on accessories and skills, I don't care about playgrounds or 1-on-1 against online players.

I just care about the offline mode (i.e. the manager mode) so I can pick an NBA team, manage it, play it for multiple seasons and hopefully win a championship. Simple as that. Realistic.

[Tempe]

I stopped purchasing this franchise at NBA2K15.

I don't care about updating my player, I don't care about purchasing and using VC on accessories and skills, I don't care about playgrounds or 1-on-1 against online players.

I just care about the offline mode (i.e. the manager mode) so I can pick an NBA team, manage it, play it for multiple seasons and hopefully win a championship. Simple as that. Realistic.

The MyGM/myleague mode is deeper this year than in years past. They finally touched this game mode and made some good updates. You can start as far back as 1982 draft and play through today with different graphics overlays in each era


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[ReasonablySober]

I'm surprised on a site like RealGM none of you seem to understand why this year's 2K absolutely rules:

MyEra. It's the best franchise mode in console sports history, bar-none.

If you didn't know, you can start a franchise in 83, 91, or 2002. Each era comes with its own era specific presentation, courts, jerseys, rules, and obviously players. Along the way you can change rules, move teams (or vote not to...sorry OKC but the Sonics stay in Seattle in my version of history), adapt as new TV deals change how much money is coming into the sport, and most importantly, re-draft the whole league. Each year's draft class is available (though with some notable omissions like Barkley or Reggie). You can edit each class and/or download another user created version.

I absolutely give zero **** about anything VC related like MyPlayer and MyTeam. I don't bother with them at all. But I'm having a blast re-shaping about 40 years of NBA history.

[Calvin Klein]

that jesus bynum thing really finished off nba live lol

Still one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Watch on YouTube

[Infinite Llamas]

2k11 was their peak. It’s all been downhill since then

[phanman]

It's definitely not the best basketball game ever.. the player movement is clunky and slow and defence is too hyper active to be played consistently. Online play still has latency issues that has never been fixed and sure you can adjust to that rhythm but the moment you play an offline game you notice how drastic it is. It completely throws you off as playing a basketball game is all about how you control the timing of certain sequences.

Shooting is better but it still pretty bad in my opinion. The shot timer/mechanics are so erratic even with multiple games played. Last year was much worse so at least this is an improvement. Post play is definitely better and the ability to utilize footwork has kept me playing casually still.

At the end of the day though, everybody must realize it's the only NBA basketball game on the market. You take what you can get. As a basketball junkie and someone who enjoys gaming it is a nice hour sometimes 2 hour escape with and start > finish that can be picked up whenever you get some free time. Especially when you WFH and get the ability to just straight up pause games for minutes or even hours in between your shift.

Side note I only play offline MyGm/MyEra mode because of the latency issues online and the fact I still do play with friends IRL from time to time want to continue destroying them as they play primarily online and don't ever readjust their game lol

[Inspektor1312]

It's been like this for years now. People aren't even mentioning the worst part of these newer games - the always online requirement for like 70% of the content. And I know, who doesn't have Internet these days, what's the big deal? The problem is that once 2K shuts down the servers for the game, you cannot access any game mode that can be played online, including MyCareer.

And they don't shut down servers after like 10 years, when probably no one is playing since it's a seasonal sports game. The 2K19 servers got shut down in December 2020.
So, you buy and own the game, but after just 2 years most of the features are not available anymore, and you can't even access the save files. Everything is just gone. I was so pissed when this happened to me.

[3toheadmelo]

Y’all need to get on myGM. They added some crazy stuff in it. You get to start in the year 2002 and get a chance to draft Bron,Melo,Wade, Bosh. And they actually have the draft classes for every year too till 2022. So you can tank for years. Most good players are there in the drafts. It’s very fun.

[nikster]

It was much worse a few years ago when they literally had virtual CASINOS in the damn game.

That is so gross. The proliferation of open gambling is going to be a disaster for society. Gambling is addictive and there are people prone to becoming problem gamblers. These games are also designed to be addictive.

Now we have people walking around with slot machines hooked up to their life savings/credits cards via smart phone gambling. And the advertising is everywhere. I'm a baseball fan. If you watch MLB games, every inning they openly plug gambling.

I genuinely hope some gambling addicts are able to file and win class action lawsuits against these people. And before you laugh, remember that was a big thing that really turned the tide against tobacco. They used to always win suits and juries would say it is the smokers and in the 90s it flipped. It really forced Big Tobacco to make concessions.

And I hope that happens to all these gambler merchants. I had no idea virtual casinos were in games in which people could spend real cash. I'm really glad that wasn't around when I was a kid. And I probably wouldn't let my kids have em if I was parent. Just as I wouldn't buy a 14 yr old booze.

The tolerance of gambling in society is really bad. Even if you like to gamble, I think you can concede this isn't something that should be promoted so heavily.

I agree it shouldnt be so easily promoted. We know Casinos are terrible for the local economy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/08/a-good-way-to-wreck-a-local-economy-build-casinos/375691/

I can't imagine the damage a virtual casino attached to your hip and buzzing notifications will do. Here in Ontario provincial government has a crown corp that runs gambling. I understand the idea behind it, but drives me crazy every time I hear them advertising and promoting it