NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[eyeatoma]

Except Jokic is doing everything for his team, including playing defense and playmaking for others. Literally the only center in top10 among guards/wings who makes shots better for his teammates. It's confusing to me how people view Embiid as a better overal player, to me it's not even close. Jokic's impact is just on another level.

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He is not playing elite defense. He's a slightly above average defender.

If he's playing good defense his team would not be ranked 28th in the league on defense.
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[Archx]

Except Jokic is doing everything for his team, including playing defense and playmaking for others. Literally the only center in top10 among guards/wings who makes shots better for his teammates. It's confusing to me how people view Embiid as a better overal player, to me it's not even close. Jokic's impact is just on another level.

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He is not playing elite defense. He's a slightly above average defender.

If he's playing good defense his team would not be ranked 28th in the league on defense.
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Lmao, 28th... poor Denver. It's like Jokic is alone on the floor. His impact is good enough for people to know what kind of player he is.

[Colbinii]

I'm not sure what Giannis or Embiix being a better defender has to do with MVP. I don't think the MVP award has ever been "Who do I want to have on my team, in the post-season, more than any other player. Embiid could certainly be that player right now but it doesn't make him MVP.

[Optms]

I'm not sure what Giannis or Embiix being a better defender has to do with MVP. I don't think the MVP award has ever been "Who do I want to have on my team, in the post-season, more than any other player. Embiid could certainly be that player right now but it doesn't make him MVP.

Defense is literately half the game.

[eyeatoma]

I'm not sure what Giannis or Embiix being a better defender has to do with MVP. I don't think the MVP award has ever been "Who do I want to have on my team, in the post-season, more than any other player. Embiid could certainly be that player right now but it doesn't make him MVP.

Newsflash defense is half the game.

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[AleksandarN]

Except Jokic is doing everything for his team, including playing defense and playmaking for others. Literally the only center in top10 among guards/wings who makes shots better for his teammates. It's confusing to me how people view Embiid as a better overal player, to me it's not even close. Jokic's impact is just on another level.

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He is not playing elite defense. He's a slightly above average defender.

If he's playing good defense his team would not be ranked 28th in the league on defense.
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Look you don’t have to lie to make a point. Denver is 23rd in the league in defensive rating. Still not that great but it is improving as the team is starting to get healthy

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

[eyeatoma]

Except Jokic is doing everything for his team, including playing defense and playmaking for others. Literally the only center in top10 among guards/wings who makes shots better for his teammates. It's confusing to me how people view Embiid as a better overal player, to me it's not even close. Jokic's impact is just on another level.

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He is not playing elite defense. He's a slightly above average defender.

If he's playing good defense his team would not be ranked 28th in the league on defense.
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Look you don’t have to lie to make a point. Denver is 23rd in the league in defensive rating. Still not that great but it is improving as the team is starting to get healthy

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

I'm not lying they were 28th a few days ago, chill with the aggression.

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[AleksandarN]

He is not playing elite defense. He's a slightly above average defender.

If he's playing good defense his team would not be ranked 28th in the league on defense.
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Look you don’t have to lie to make a point. Denver is 23rd in the league in defensive rating. Still not that great but it is improving as the team is starting to get healthy

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

I'm not lying they were 28th a few days ago, chill with the aggression.

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Again it wasn’t a few days ago it was more than a week. Usually when someone using stats they use up to date info. That’s just intellectually dishonesty and this is not the first time I have corrected you

[eyeatoma]

Look you don’t have to lie to make a point. Denver is 23rd in the league in defensive rating. Still not that great but it is improving as the team is starting to get healthy

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

I'm not lying they were 28th a few days ago, chill with the aggression.

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Again it wasn’t a few days ago it was more than a week. Usually when someone using stats they use up to date info. That’s just intellectually dishonesty and this is not the first time I have corrected you

The fact that you know it was a week ago is more than I knew and you're just trying to be combative.

I made a genuine mistake. A week ago is 3 to 4 games. Chill...

If you got an issue take it up with my lawyer. Intellectual dishonesty. It's a basketball forum.

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[AleksandarN]

Also as a side note Denver is ranked 14th in last 15 games in defensive rating. Like I said it is improving as they are getting healthy

[Kurtz]

I feel like this Eyetoma vs Den fans debate has been running for 3 straight years now. Denver fans are 2-0 so far, but this could be Eye's year.

...mind you neither guy is in the top 3 odds right now, so maybe let it simmer for a bit, fellas.

[AleksandarN]

I'm not lying they were 28th a few days ago, chill with the aggression.

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Again it wasn’t a few days ago it was more than a week. Usually when someone using stats they use up to date info. That’s just intellectually dishonesty and this is not the first time I have corrected you

The fact that you know it was a week ago is more than I knew and you're just trying to be combative.

I made a genuine mistake. A week ago is 3 to 4 games. Chill...

If you got an issue take it up with my lawyer. Intellectual dishonesty. It's a basketball forum.

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It is not just 3 or 4 games. Denver in the last 15 games had the 14th best defensive rating

[eyeatoma]

Again it wasn’t a few days ago it was more than a week. Usually when someone using stats they use up to date info. That’s just intellectually dishonesty and this is not the first time I have corrected you

The fact that you know it was a week ago is more than I knew and you're just trying to be combative.

I made a genuine mistake. A week ago is 3 to 4 games. Chill...

If you got an issue take it up with my lawyer. Intellectual dishonesty. It's a basketball forum.

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It is not just 3 or 4 games. Denver in the last 15 games had the 14th best defensive rating

Glad to hear it, I stand corrected.

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[DCasey91]

1. Jokic
2. Luka
3. Durant (Just having a great year imo)

Darkhorse candidate: Embiid, has finished runner up twice and he’s having his best season so far

Tatum/Giannnis will obviously be right there but Giannis isn’t having his best season so far.

[eyeatoma]

I feel like this Eyetoma vs Den fans debate has been running for 3 straight years now. Denver fans are 2-0 so far, but this could be Eye's year.

...mind you neither guy is in the top 3 odds right now, so maybe let it simmer for a bit, fellas.

Lulz

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[eyeatoma]

20 votes for Jokic, the GB is truly the Nuggets defacto board. LMAO

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[Kurtz]

Joker has too many headwinds this year. No guy has won 3 in a row since Larry Bird - the writers seem to put a higher standard on that 3rd year. And his scoring/rebounding is down even if assists are up - which will hurt his case.

Plus Porter is back, and observationally, he's more passive with Porter around.

[Sgt Major]

This thread is so boring.

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[Infinite Llamas]

It actually is.

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Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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So if Murray plays like an all star in the playoffs, why are you holding Jokic’s early playoff exists against him the last two years when Murray didn’t even play in the playoffs?

Antawn Jamison once had b2b 50 point games and he was a fringe all star at best. Made two teams I believe. Murray could make the all star game as a 25 point a game scorer for a top seed team because he brings so little else to a team when he isn’t scoring points.

[eyeatoma]

Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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So if Murray plays like an all star in the playoffs, why are you holding Jokic’s early playoff exists against him the last two years when Murray didn’t even play in the playoffs?

Antawn Jamison once had b2b 50 point games and he was a fringe all star at best. Made two teams I believe. Murray could make the all star game as a 25 point a game scorer for a top seed team because he brings so little else to a team when he isn’t scoring points.

I'm saying if he's that damn good, he shouldn't need any help. According to the stats he's the greatest player of all time right?

Also he had Murray in the bubble? They should have made the finals right?
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