Is Pascal Siakam an empty stats guy?

[Kurtz]

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

Don't really care about the 52. Everybody likes to show out at the Garden. I just wanted to write the post to inform Raptors fans that their roster is overrated. Siakam is not worth giving up all those picks, OG is not worth unprotected picks. Jury's still out on Barnes but he's regressed. All these star players and they're not a .500 team.

How many visiting players have put up 50 at the Gardens, all-time? Hint: it's a pretty exclusive list.

[PhilBlackson]

You guys let a 4th option put up 52 on you.

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

No one tell him that the team's franchise record for Ws was actually the season BEFORE Kawhi arrived.

But please really don't tell him that the 48Ws we got last year is better than any record the Knicks have had in the past DECADE and counting....

[zimpy27]

wtf did i just read.

Based on impact stats. Danny Green is a bit of a darling in these stats. Even when shooting poorly he manages to contribute to winning on the floor with his gravity and defense.

What a terrible take. Danny Green was an active liability in the playoffs for the Raptors - he was brutal and almost cost a few pivotal games with his inability to dribble leading to crunch time turnovers.

That's the statistics. A few plays don't balance a game. Every play matters at all times.

[knicksNOTslick]

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

No one tell him that the team's franchise record for Ws was actually the season BEFORE Kawhi arrived.

But please really don't tell him that the 48Ws we got last year is better than any record the Knicks have had in the past DECADE and counting....

Never denied the Knicks have sucked, you can say what you want it doesn't bother me. You still haven't addressed how overrated the players are on the roster. I feel like Raptors fans think too highly of their players. We don't even think Randle can net unprotected firsts and he's had a good year. But somehow Siakam is this All Star talent who has high trade value and he can't even lead a team full of talent to a.500 record because injuries. Like no other team has injuries.

[Kurtz]

Based on impact stats. Danny Green is a bit of a darling in these stats. Even when shooting poorly he manages to contribute to winning on the floor with his gravity and defense.

What a terrible take. Danny Green was an active liability in the playoffs for the Raptors - he was brutal and almost cost a few pivotal games with his inability to dribble leading to crunch time turnovers.

That's the statistics. A few plays don't balance a game. Every play matters at all times.

Never base your conclusions on a tiny dataset. Green almost cost the Raptors game 6 with his horrid turnover in the dying seconds, and that was not the first time he did something like that during the '19 run. And he couldn't buy a basket in important games.

If you don't like the idea of Siakam being the Raps 2nd best player during that run, you can easily make the case for Gasol or Lowry, but Green just had an awful playoff run after a good regular season.

[zimpy27]

What a terrible take. Danny Green was an active liability in the playoffs for the Raptors - he was brutal and almost cost a few pivotal games with his inability to dribble leading to crunch time turnovers.

That's the statistics. A few plays don't balance a game. Every play matters at all times.

Never base your conclusions on a tiny dataset. Green almost cost the Raptors game 6 with his horrid turnover in the dying seconds, and that was not the first time he did something like that during the '19 run. And he couldn't buy a basket in important games.

If you don't like the idea of Siakam being the Raps 2nd best player during that run, you can easily make the case for Gasol or Lowry, but Green just had an awful playoff run after a good regular season.

I said that Pascal was 3rd behind Lowry. I didn't say he was behind Green, was just quoting the impact stats

[Kurtz]

That's the statistics. A few plays don't balance a game. Every play matters at all times.

Never base your conclusions on a tiny dataset. Green almost cost the Raptors game 6 with his horrid turnover in the dying seconds, and that was not the first time he did something like that during the '19 run. And he couldn't buy a basket in important games.

If you don't like the idea of Siakam being the Raps 2nd best player during that run, you can easily make the case for Gasol or Lowry, but Green just had an awful playoff run after a good regular season.

I said that Pascal was 3rd behind Lowry. I didn't say he was behind Green, was just quoting the impact stats

Those kind of stats aren't meant to be used for small samples. All of Kawhi, Siakam, Gasol, Ibaka, FVV and to a lesser extent Powell were important to the '19 run. Green was just bad.

[bronxknicksfan1]

hes a 3rd or 4th option.

What would that make the Knicks cause Siakam is better than Brunson and Randle..please don't say these type of things lol

Siakam hasn’t been better than either this season. They’re all around the same level right now if anything.

If Siakam was truly better, the Craptors wouldn’t be 15-20 when he plays with the talent on that roster. They’ve been underachieving heavily.

[PhilBlackson]

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

No one tell him that the team's franchise record for Ws was actually the season BEFORE Kawhi arrived.

But please really don't tell him that the 48Ws we got last year is better than any record the Knicks have had in the past DECADE and counting....

Never denied the Knicks have sucked, you can say what you want it doesn't bother me. You still haven't addressed how overrated the players are on the roster. I feel like Raptors fans think too highly of their players. We don't even think Randle can net unprotected firsts and he's had a good year. But somehow Siakam is this All Star talent who has high trade value and he can't even lead a team full of talent to a.500 record because injuries. Like no other team has injuries.

You mean like how the Warriors were under .500?! That's because Steph sucks & is overrated right?! How about Dame with his team below .500?! Both guys have had FAR healthier supporting casts and played less than handfull of games less than Siakam this season ummm but that's different right??

Another fun fact Warriors starters have played 24 games together, Blazers 23 games together....Raptors 16 (that's right only 1/3 of the season they've played together)

Hmm...would you like to be further exposed?!

I mean I don't even care about you talking about Randle, yes we know he's overrated & glad you see that too but what teams will offer is not based on what fans say but other executives and it's already been leaked by a thousand media members that teams will pay that price. That's what happens for all-NBA players, wish with your players you could understand but you stay butthurt while I stick to facts over feelings lol FYL bing bong! lol

[mademan]

hes a 3rd or 4th option.

What would that make the Knicks cause Siakam is better than Brunson and Randle..please don't say these type of things lol

Siakam hasn’t been better than either this season. They’re all around the same level right now if anything.

If Siakam was truly better, the Craptors wouldn’t be 15-20 with the talent on that roster. They’ve been underachieving heavily.

ya he has and its not even arguable. By literally zero measure has either been better than Siakam. And if youre gonna use wins, why not argue that Brunson has been better than Curry too, lol

[payton2kemp]

If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

Could be something to do with the team being decimated with injuries for the first 2-3 months of the season, each starter has missed chunks of the season at different times & at times overlapping, our 2 best bench players haven't played (Achuiwa just rejoined less than a week ago, Otto never played or will this season) while their 2 best perimeter shooters are shooting career lows (those aren't any of the names you mentioned)?! Albeit the primary ballhandler, Fred has been stubbornly playing with back/hip injuries over the last year as he refuses to rest in order to in his mind "secure the bag" while shooting some of the worst percentages in the league, OG was out with a broken finger on his shooting hand so now playing through that & nevermind countless trade rumours swirling around while we have 2 UFAs and a non-existent bench...so yeah could have something to do with THAT part lol

Surely a Nets' fans can understand not living up to expectations?!?

You guys lost to the Hawks who were missing Capela and Bogi on a back to back while the Raps were healthy. Then you lost to the Bucks missing Giannis and Middleton and Lopez in the 4th while the Raptors were healthy. Injuries are just an excuse, something is not working with this team.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

We're basically waiting on Scotty. Siakam's fun to watch when he's cooking though, he's all over the floor.

The team's clearly flawed, it's a work in progress.

[bronxknicksfan1]

What would that make the Knicks cause Siakam is better than Brunson and Randle..please don't say these type of things lol

Siakam hasn’t been better than either this season. They’re all around the same level right now if anything.

If Siakam was truly better, the Craptors wouldn’t be 15-20 with the talent on that roster. They’ve been underachieving heavily.

ya he has and its not even arguable. By literally zero measure has either been better than Siakam. And if youre gonna use wins, why not argue that Brunson has been better than Curry too, lol

By zero measure? Basketball reference is your friend with any measure you need. Siakam and Randle are basically neck and neck in damn near every stat. Siakam’s per game and advanced stats are on par with both Randle and Brunson. He hasn’t been that special this year.

As for Steph, his team is above .500 when he plays. So, there’s that.

[azcatz11]

hes a 3rd or 4th option.

Gotta give him credit - he wants all the smoke with this post

[knicksNOTslick]

No one tell him that the team's franchise record for Ws was actually the season BEFORE Kawhi arrived.

But please really don't tell him that the 48Ws we got last year is better than any record the Knicks have had in the past DECADE and counting....

Never denied the Knicks have sucked, you can say what you want it doesn't bother me. You still haven't addressed how overrated the players are on the roster. I feel like Raptors fans think too highly of their players. We don't even think Randle can net unprotected firsts and he's had a good year. But somehow Siakam is this All Star talent who has high trade value and he can't even lead a team full of talent to a.500 record because injuries. Like no other team has injuries.

You mean like how the Warriors were under .500?! That's because Steph sucks & is overrated right?! How about Dame with his team below .500?! Both guys have had FAR healthier supporting casts and played less than handfull of games less than Siakam this season ummm but that's different right??

Another fun fact Warriors starters have played 24 games together, Blazers 23 games together....Raptors 16 (that's right only 1/3 of the season they've played together)

Hmm...would you like to be further exposed?!

I mean I don't even care about you talking about Randle, yes we know he's overrated & glad you see that too but what teams will offer is not based on what fans say but other executives and it's already been leaked by a thousand media members that teams will pay that price. That's what happens for all-NBA players, wish with your players you could understand but you stay butthurt while I stick to facts over feelings lol FYL bing bong! lol

This narrative about the Raptors being decimated by injuries. Every team goes through injuries. Your team is not special. No reason for Toronto to have their record with the so-called talent that they have. Injuries is a cop out.

Siakam just isn't that good. Can't lead a team to the playoffs but their players can net multiple unprotected picks.

[ForeverTFC]

If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

None of them can shoot, and no one else on the roster can shoot either.

[PhilBlackson]

Never denied the Knicks have sucked, you can say what you want it doesn't bother me. You still haven't addressed how overrated the players are on the roster. I feel like Raptors fans think too highly of their players. We don't even think Randle can net unprotected firsts and he's had a good year. But somehow Siakam is this All Star talent who has high trade value and he can't even lead a team full of talent to a.500 record because injuries. Like no other team has injuries.

You mean like how the Warriors were under .500?! That's because Steph sucks & is overrated right?! How about Dame with his team below .500?! Both guys have had FAR healthier supporting casts and played less than handfull of games less than Siakam this season ummm but that's different right??

Another fun fact Warriors starters have played 24 games together, Blazers 23 games together....Raptors 16 (that's right only 1/3 of the season they've played together)

Hmm...would you like to be further exposed?!

I mean I don't even care about you talking about Randle, yes we know he's overrated & glad you see that too but what teams will offer is not based on what fans say but other executives and it's already been leaked by a thousand media members that teams will pay that price. That's what happens for all-NBA players, wish with your players you could understand but you stay butthurt while I stick to facts over feelings lol FYL bing bong! lol

This narrative about the Raptors being decimated by injuries. Every team goes through injuries. Your team is not special. No reason for Toronto to have their record with the so-called talent that they have. Injuries is a cop out.

Siakam just isn't that good. Can't lead a team to the playoffs but their players can net multiple unprotected picks.

Another weak af response lol but at this point expected.

Explain Steph & Dame....their teams are struggling, yet both guys have had their starting lineups 7-8 MORE games together.

Seriously let's get a good laugh while you try & justify it. I'll wait lol

[bronxknicksfan1]

The team with Siakam, VanVleet, OG, Barnes and Gary Trent has a worse record than the team with Randle, Brunson, RJ, Grimes and IQ…but this thread is telling me Siakam is better than the Knicks’ best players?

[knicksNOTslick]

The team with Siakam, VanVleet, OG, Barnes and Gary Trent has a worse record than the team with Randle, Brunson, RJ, Grimes and IQ…but this thread is telling me Siakam is better than the Knicks’ best players?

They want multiple unprotected first rounders for each of them. We got Danny Ainge working for Toronto.

Multiple picks for OG! OG?! Dude is invisible on the court sometimes.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

So, NY wants Toronto?