Jonathan Kuminga

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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#41 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Mar 3, 2023 11:37 pm

God Squad wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Top 10 worst nicknames for a player

What's worse is it was GSW fans who coined it.



Not sure that's true, I've seen idiots from all teams use that dumb name.

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SpreeS wrote:Playing with Curry/Green/Iggy/Kerr is so more important for your career than get more min in Houston/Detroit or on similar teams. He will be good


Can't argue with that, worked out so well for Wiseman.


Wiseman is the same player so far on Detroit that he has been in GS, I've watched 80%+ of the minutes he has played on Detroit. Him not being very good is not GS's fault... I'm rooting for the kid, that's why I'm still following him, but I don't see any change in Detroit so far. He's going to need a lot of time and I don't think his ceiling is that high. I think he may develop into a "microwave" center that you can bring off the bench to score some points, especially vs. certain center matchups; But I doubt he'll ever be a starting caliber center on a championship/good playoff team.

Duke4life831 wrote:I think if Kuminga is to get to his ceiling, he needs to be locked in as a starter or someone who is getting 30+ minutes a night and you just live with the bumps and bruises that come along the way. And I just dont see that happening with this GS roster (this year or most likely next year as well). I do think he can be somewhat of an x factor in the playoffs (mainly with his on ball defense). But ya Im not sure he can reach full potential with this GS team.


What you said fits perfectly for Wiseman who needs a LOT of time to develop, but I don't think it's accurate for JK. I see JK improving slowly on his 20mpg, I don't think 30 is required based on where he is at now, and all that he is still learning (and I'm really not sure playing 35minutes for a lottery team like the Rockets would actually be good for him).

Now next year and beyond, I do think he's going to need to be getting more minutes to maximize his growth... but I think that's part of our plan. Right now Anthony Lamb is getting 20mpg when he plays, and I doubt he is back next year, or if he is, will be getting a lot fewer minutes/DNPs. I see no reason that Kuminga won't be able to eat all his minutes up next year, but this season JK is still a bit green.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#42 » by baldur » Fri Mar 3, 2023 11:37 pm

uninjured jonathan isaac with less length and better offense.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#43 » by TheHartBreakKid » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:40 am

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ThatBoyNick wrote:Kum Bucket!


Top 10 worst nicknames for a player


You’re being generous with top 10.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#44 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:46 am

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SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Last night was Kuminga’s 1st decent rebounding game in a long time. His body is perfect for rebounding but something is wrong with his brain for rebounding.

The kid still looks raw but he sure does have the tools to be a star eventually.

He's making improvements there too (yes, slowly). One thing I noticed last night is a rebound he didn't even get credit for. He had outside position and realized he wouldn't be able to grab the rebound without an over the back foul, so he used his leaping ability to direct the ball to a teammate with a tip. Probably is learning that from Looney since he does it a lot but that's a good sign he's got some smarts and is willing to learn.

Don't get me wrong, he still has a lot of work to do there with better positioning for rebounds and being more aggressive securing the ball, but he is making progress. Compare to Andrew Wiggins for example. If you were to insert Kuminga's 2 seasons into Wiggins 11, Kuminga's would rank #1 and #2 for total rebounds per 36 minutes. Hell, he's not even drastically behind Kawhi in that stat at the same point in his career, and is very similar to where Jaylen Brown was in his second year. And he'll still be 20 until just before next season starts.


I see Kuminga as playing power forward and small forward. More power forward than small forward for the Warriors because he is the 4th biggest guy on our team and I am not that happy with JaMychal Green. I see Kumingas as needing to replace Porter even though they are very different players. I see you comparing Kuminga to small forwards. Kuminga’s rebounds don’t look as bad if you view him as a small forward but i think most of Kuminga’s minutes have been at power forward.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#45 » by Kobe187 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:27 am

Could turn into OG Anunoby.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#46 » by Mr Peanut » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:12 am

DonaldSanders wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
SpreeS wrote:Playing with Curry/Green/Iggy/Kerr is so more important for your career than get more min in Houston/Detroit or on similar teams. He will be good


Can't argue with that, worked out so well for Wiseman.


Wiseman is the same player so far on Detroit that he has been in GS, I've watched 80%+ of the minutes he has played on Detroit. Him not being very good is not GS's fault... I'm rooting for the kid, that's why I'm still following him, but I don't see any change in Detroit so far. He's going to need a lot of time and I don't think his ceiling is that high. I think he may develop into a "microwave" center that you can bring off the bench to score some points, especially vs. certain center matchups; But I doubt he'll ever be a starting caliber center on a championship/good playoff team.


I never said he was a different player with us (which would be an unusual development in less than a month). I was responding to the implied notion that a player like Wiseman getting 0 minutes in the Curry/Green/Iggy/Kerr system is somehow more important for his career than getting 25-30 mins a night and developing with a team like Detroit. It's an elitist mindset from a homer fan to think that experience (or lack thereof) with GS is somehow superior.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#47 » by brutalitops » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:27 am

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jasonxxx102 wrote:Every time someone compares him to Kawhi I lose a braincell. I already didn’t have that many to work with so can we please stop with the nonsense?

I don't see a lot of point to such a comparison because it is just way too early, and few people develop the way Kawhi did. But if your point is that Kawhi clearly is much better than Kuminga will ever be, your comparison is roughly Kawhi's rookie year, when he averaged 8 points and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes. Kuminga's numbers are comparable. Slightly worse, on slightly fewer minutes. Which I think mostly means it is silly to pretend you know what a player is going to turn out to be when he's 19 or 20 years old and has limited experience.

Not that anyone on RealGM would do that, of course.

It's an absolutely horrible comparison, Only similar thing is height and strength. Kum bucket has a lot better offensive game then Kahwi however Kahwi could defend a lot better, smarter player and was coming in as a great rebounder, Thats the easiest way Kum Bucket can secure a lot more time was to get boards and be a lot smarter defensively


TL;DR, Hes ok.I would of said he lacks the "Feel" for the game, but he literally played his best game ever against the clippers, Maybe not "Stats' wise (I havent checked) But he was smart on offense, grabbed some good boards and if hes that player or even 70% of that player night in-out hes going to have a long career and probably end up a consistent starter

Im not going to harp on consistency or his defensive efforts as he's 20, I wont attack a kid at 20 playing for a potential championship team missing some reads, not playing defence ect. He's 1v1 does the right thing, long, strong and thats enough to kind of at least get away in the regular season
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#48 » by Hoopstar23 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:37 am

another great game by Kuminga tonight, hes really starting to put it together

19pts/7 rebs/4stls/ 69% FG 50% 3PT in 32 mins +13
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#49 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:52 am

Might as well create one of those Son/kid memes with Kuminga and Ingram. Because damn did Kuminga just lock up BI all game long. That was high level defense.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#50 » by Upperclass » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:53 am

Dude has top 5 explosive athleticism in the entire league.. when he adds skill to his quicks.. he wont be guaradable. He's about as quick as Kawhi was off the bounce
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#51 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:57 am

I was wrong to say Kuminga was Kawhi like, the right thing to say was Kawhi was more Kuminga like when he was younger.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#52 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 6:00 am

Upperclass wrote:Dude has top 5 explosive athleticism in the entire league.. when he adds skill to his quicks.. he wont be guaradable. He's about as quick as Kawhi was off the bounce

From an athletic standpoint, he may have the best overall athletic profile in the league. The dude is 6’8 with a 7’ wingspan. He’s also not some skinny little guy either. Then for his size, he probably has the best first step, best lateral agility, and most explosive leaper.

He is a legit 1-4 defender. And when I say that, I’m not saying that like how that saying gets thrown around a lot when people say that for a guy that can switch onto 1-4 and hold his own on switches. No Kuminga legit gets the defensive assignment of defending the best opposing player. Doesn’t matter if it’s defending Zion at the 4, or defending Ja on ball. He doesn’t just handle his own on switches, he is given these assignments. Freakish two way potential.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#53 » by Upperclass » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:03 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Dude has top 5 explosive athleticism in the entire league.. when he adds skill to his quicks.. he wont be guaradable. He's about as quick as Kawhi was off the bounce

From an athletic standpoint, he may have the best overall athletic profile in the league. The dude is 6’8 with a 7’ wingspan. He’s also not some skinny little guy either. Then for his size, he probably has the best first step, best lateral agility, and most explosive leaper.

He is a legit 1-4 defender. And when I say that, I’m not saying that like how that saying gets thrown around a lot when people say that for a guy that can switch onto 1-4 and hold his own on switches. No Kuminga legit gets the defensive assignment of defending the best opposing player. Doesn’t matter if it’s defending Zion at the 4, or defending Ja on ball. He doesn’t just handle his own on switches, he is given these assignments. Freakish two way potential.


You're probably right actually. The only player that stands out as slightly more athletic/explosive would be Ant Edwards who i dont think is as quick off the bounce.. Ja is too small for the comparison as hes lacking in the strength dept.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#54 » by HiRez » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:37 am

By the way, Kuminga is shooting over 34% from 3 this year, that's not terrible. Would like to see him get over 36% to be a true threat, but man is that going to open up his driving game if he can because of his explosive first step. Still needs to work on FT%, would like to see that get over 70% (currently 65.3%).
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#55 » by SpreeS » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:45 am

HiRez wrote:By the way, Kuminga is shooting over 34% from 3 this year, that's not terrible. Would like to see him get over 36% to be a true threat, but man is that going to open up his driving game if he can because of his explosive first step. Still needs to work on FT%, would like to see that get over 70% (currently 65.3%).


Kuminga 3P%

1-20G .242 0.5 3P
21-40G .276 0.5 3P
41-60G .415 1.1 3P
61-64G .571 1.0 3P
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#56 » by HiRez » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:51 am

SpreeS wrote:
HiRez wrote:By the way, Kuminga is shooting over 34% from 3 this year, that's not terrible. Would like to see him get over 36% to be a true threat, but man is that going to open up his driving game if he can because of his explosive first step. Still needs to work on FT%, would like to see that get over 70% (currently 65.3%).

Kuminga 3P%

1-20G .242 0.5 3P
21-40G .276 0.5 3P
41-60G .415 1.1 3P
61-64G .571 1.0 3P

Yeah good point, even more impressive when you remember how slowly he started off the season. I still like him driving more than shooting 3s but that will open up drives for him (and teammates). Kuminga's assist rate (per minute) is up 74% over last year as well.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#57 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:53 pm

What’s really been impressive during this streak is that he always gets the toughest assignment defensively and held his own as a sophomore at 20 years old. With a Looney Draymond Kuminga Wiggins GP2 lineup, good luck to whichever offense tries to go against them.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#58 » by Commodor » Sat Mar 4, 2023 6:30 pm

I’m really interested to see how Kuminga puts on weight. Look at pics of lebron early in his career v now. It’s night and day.

If anything you gotta hope he doesn’t get too bulky and limit his agility. If he can find the balance he’s gonna look scary.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#59 » by clyde21 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 6:36 pm

Upperclass wrote:Dude has top 5 explosive athleticism in the entire league.. when he adds skill to his quicks.. he wont be guaradable. He's about as quick as Kawhi was off the bounce


he's filthy quick for his size it's absurd, but the ball skills and hands aren't good enough yet to consistently make use of his athletic profile.
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Re: Jonathan Kuminga 

Post#60 » by bisme37 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 6:46 pm

There are a bunch of comments about Kuminga's unflattering nickname. The posts are getting And-1's... and they are getting reported as offensive.

I'm kinda torn here in my mod role. I'm not especially comfortable telling people they can't say the guy's nickname. I mean the "Kum" part is in right there in his name and it only sounds like the other word we're all thinking of. And the cat is pretty much out of the bag at this point as they say.

But at the same time I can see why it's offensive and inappropriate for RGM.

Maybe y'all could just do the mods a solid and stop saying it? That would be great.

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