Fred VanVleet Specifically Calls Out Referee Ben Taylor and NBA Reffing

[Ryoga Hibiki]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

players have so much more power that they should be careful before saying this kind of stuff on the media about people that are under so much pressure while making a fraction of them and can't really answer back. That's a form of bullying, he doesn't deserve a fine but a suspension.

[sip]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

I think it’s embarrassing how much players complain to refs. We tell kids in rec leagues to play the game and not talk to refs. I don’t know when we normalized players complaining on every call or constantly talking with refs. It’s so disrespectful to the extremely tough job they have and it takes away so much from the watchability of the game.

I’d go full reverse and say from now on any talking to a ref is an automatic technical. Any demonstration toward a ref is a technical. And let the players union decide on referees and how they are measured, rated, etc. Let the players be the ones deciding who the refs are but take away the ability of in game complaining.

File a complaint? You can't be serious. The nba does absolutely nothing when it comes to the refs making blatant mistakes. There is zero accountability in that department and something has to change. These guys are going out of there way to make themselves a part of the game while also missing some of the most blatant fouls that you will ever see.

[duppyy]

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The "I know" part always makes me laugh.

[kenwood3333]

Some players are passionate about the game, others just treat it as a job.

[Lord_Zedd]

LOL what?!?
If that isn't a case of bias, I don't know what is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/11mmh5w/fact_checked_fvv_on_ben_taylor/

Ben Taylor even dished out 2x to Fred in one game

Other refs are going to hand out more techs to FVV to make ben taylor no longer the majority..

Those other refs better make sure those are techs then. Even if one of them ends up getting rescinded, that's not going to be a good look.

[Birth of the Cool]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

players have so much more power that they should be careful before saying this kind of stuff on the media about people that are under so much pressure while making a fraction of them and can't really answer back. That's a form of bullying, he doesn't deserve a fine but a suspension.

Gimme a break. NBA Refs are making upwards of 500K. What pressure are they under? From the Mob maybe LOL.
The Refs have had little to no consequences from the league in their poor performance.
Are NBA players and we as paying fans expected to see what happened to Barnes, Poole etc and say this is an unacceptable performance by the Refs?

LOl at this being bullying. If anything the Refs are bullying the players and letting their overinflated ego (and perhaps a more sinister reason) dictate the games.

edit: Ok wait, sorry that has to be sarcasm or trolling. I'll leave this up here anyways lol

[Slacktard]

Pretty sure that NBA fines of players goes to charity so really if you curse out an NBA ref for doing a crap job you're actually helping out a charity. (Half of the fine goes to the NBA, the other half to the NBAPA) I think the NBA portion is distributed to its partner charities. The NBPA portion goes to the NBAPA's own charity which brings basketball to poor areas both domestically and globally.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Gimme a break. NBA Refs are making upwards of 500K. What pressure are they under? From the Mob maybe LOL.

it's very likely that you don't know what you're talking about

[nikster]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

I think it’s embarrassing how much players complain to refs. We tell kids in rec leagues to play the game and not talk to refs. I don’t know when we normalized players complaining on every call or constantly talking with refs. It’s so disrespectful to the extremely tough job they have and it takes away so much from the watchability of the game.

I’d go full reverse and say from now on any talking to a ref is an automatic technical. Any demonstration toward a ref is a technical. And let the players union decide on referees and how they are measured, rated, etc. Let the players be the ones deciding who the refs are but take away the ability of in game complaining.

Funny you think filing a complaint will do anything. If there is a problem media attention/pressure is likely one of the best ways to encourage the league to do something.

It's not like Fred is anywhere near one of the worst offenders when it comes to complaining. The main problem is they are so inconsistent with the techs. Guys like Luka and Lebron can get away with so much yet Fred tells his teammate to play through a bad call and gets an instant tech. I wouldn't be opposed to all complaining gets a tech but the problem is that it often compounds real mistakes and I have no faith they could do so evenly and consistently across the league

[moderndarwin]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

I think it’s embarrassing how much players complain to refs. We tell kids in rec leagues to play the game and not talk to refs. I don’t know when we normalized players complaining on every call or constantly talking with refs. It’s so disrespectful to the extremely tough job they have and it takes away so much from the watchability of the game.

I’d go full reverse and say from now on any talking to a ref is an automatic technical. Any demonstration toward a ref is a technical. And let the players union decide on referees and how they are measured, rated, etc. Let the players be the ones deciding who the refs are but take away the ability of in game complaining.

File a complaint? You can't be serious. The nba does absolutely nothing when it comes to the refs making blatant mistakes. There is zero accountability in that department and something has to change. These guys are going out of there way to make themselves a part of the game while also missing some of the most blatant fouls that you will ever see.

Did you just choose to ignore the rest of what I said? There’s no quick solution this year and players criticizing refs more and more isn’t going to do anything besides create divisiveness. As I said, turn over reffing to the players union and let the players themselves decide what is or isn’t acceptable. Likely a lot of players that stay quiet and play the game the right way really dislike what some of the players like Luka and Dray get away with in terms of constant complaining. If I was a player i’d definitely vote for 1) automatic techs for talking to refs during a game and 2) a 3rd party review system of refs that reports to the players union. Players union decides who refs, what they get paid, etc etc. In a case like this I think FVV taking his complaints to Jaylen Brown and CP3 or whoever manages the players union stuff is a lot more amenable / appropriate way under my comments above to have impact

[aj174]

Good for Fred. Whoever is hating doesn't realize how much these refs power trip and their calls just change the complexion of a game. It needs to be more consistent

I have no doubt Scott foster is involved in some shady business. 137 calls between Donaghy and foster.

[druggas]

He just painted a target on his back. Not smart.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

This is embarrassing- crying to media about it - file a complaint.

I think it’s embarrassing how much players complain to refs. We tell kids in rec leagues to play the game and not talk to refs. I don’t know when we normalized players complaining on every call or constantly talking with refs. It’s so disrespectful to the extremely tough job they have and it takes away so much from the watchability of the game.

I’d go full reverse and say from now on any talking to a ref is an automatic technical. Any demonstration toward a ref is a technical. And let the players union decide on referees and how they are measured, rated, etc. Let the players be the ones deciding who the refs are but take away the ability of in game complaining.

File a complaint? You can't be serious. The nba does absolutely nothing when it comes to the refs making blatant mistakes. There is zero accountability in that department and something has to change. These guys are going out of there way to make themselves a part of the game while also missing some of the most blatant fouls that you will ever see.

Did you just choose to ignore the rest of what I said? There’s no quick solution this year and players criticizing refs more and more isn’t going to do anything besides create divisiveness. As I said, turn over reffing to the players union and let the players themselves decide what is or isn’t acceptable. Likely a lot of players that stay quiet and play the game the right way really dislike what some of the players like Luka and Dray get away with in terms of constant complaining. If I was a player i’d definitely vote for 1) automatic techs for talking to refs during a game and 2) a 3rd party review system of refs that reports to the players union. Players union decides who refs, what they get paid, etc etc. In a case like this I think FVV taking his complaints to Jaylen Brown and CP3 or whoever manages the players union stuff is a lot more amenable / appropriate way under my comments above to have impact

player union? why do you want that? just so that they STFU?
if anything negotiate in the CBA so really heavy suspensions if anyone pulls up some BS like FVV's one.
I think the best possible example is Rugby Union, nobody even thinks about disrespecting the ref because there are clear rules and nobody cares if you're the superstar or what, do something wrong and you're out.

[Def Swami]

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Immediately thought about this clip. Great call back.

[beeshma]

The main problem is they are so inconsistent with the techs. Guys like Luka and Lebron can get away with so much yet Fred tells his teammate to play through a bad call and gets an instant tech. I wouldn't be opposed to all complaining gets a tech but the problem is that it often compounds real mistakes and I have no faith they could do so evenly and consistently across the league

I think that, following the example of Michael Jordan, the players have steadily began to talk to the refs about every call and ask for clarification on the rule. That shifted to demanding a justification for every foul at each stoppage. Somewhere along the way, asking and demanding shifted to complaining and acting out. This is a terrible trend. The players are the ones responsible for it. As a fan, I don't want to see it. I'll watch WWE wrestling if I want theatrics. The player's behavior has to affect officiating negatively and they can't even see that.

[Dubious Handles]

FRED IS FOREVER A GOAT FOR THIS

[MrBigShot]

Suspension? File a complaint? Are the refs paying some of the posters in this thread? LOL

[LBJKB24MJ23]

its true though, some refs are ****.

[Quattro]

On the one hand, I'm sick and tired of players whining and crying after every call/non call. It's worse than it ever was and I'd actually be happy if they started spraying more techs around to put a stop to it. Of course, this means guys like Draymond Green and Luka wouldn't actually be able to finish a game but so be it.

On the other hand, I'd wager anyone posting here could instantly list at least half a dozen referees in this league who are CONSTANT problems and instantly jump to mind as people who should be employed in a different profession. The NBA has historically done nothing about this. And for all the "they get evaluated behind the scenes" people, that doesn't explain why those same refs end up refereeing games deep into the playoffs every year does it?

[ishoy123]

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Vince Carter's take.