Richard Jefferson with a killer response to Paul Pierce

[DarkXaero]

Btw - did anyone no notice that RJ bodied Gil- he is not someone you want to tangle with

They were ASU teammates and are good friends who roast each other publicly.

[axeman23]

I loved the Wade/Pierce jab at the beginning

Watch on YouTube

[therealbig3]

I actually think Pierce is one of the most overrated stars from his generation honestly, because of winning bias. His career looks SO MUCH better in hindsight because of that ring.

When everyone was at their best, Pierce was never really considered as good as his contemporaries in the late 90s/early 00s/mid 00s: Kobe, Iverson, McGrady, Carter. Those were like the big 4 premier shooting guards/SFs at the time, and they were all generally considered better than Pierce. I honestly do think that Pierce gets extra bonus points over Iverson/McGrady/Carter because of his team success, but those guys were honestly just better players prime vs prime. Pierce was on some really bad teams that were going nowhere, those guys didn't really have much more going for them and they were able to do more with less. IMO, they were better because they were all much better at handling the ball, keeping turnovers down, and being better natural passers than Pierce. When Pierce had to shoulder more of a lead guard role, he wasn't nearly as good at it as they were, and that makes a big difference. Some people bringing up what if Pierce got to play with Shaq or LeBron...well, what if Iverson/McGrady/Carter got to play with KG and Allen at the tail end of their primes? They could have very easily done what Pierce did if not better and won a ring too.

Also, there's no guarantee that Pierce wins with Shaq, no idea why people are saying that. He's a significant downgrade from Kobe, and the Lakers barely got by teams like the Blazers and Kings in 00 and 02. The Pacers gave them a really tough fight in 00, and Kobe's heroics in one of those games when Shaq fouled out helped them pull out the series win. And in 01, they swept the Spurs who were by far their biggest challenge in no small part because Kobe absolutely destroyed them. I highly doubt Pierce comes close to matching that, and then who knows how that series turns out? Pierce in place of Wade in 06...they don't even make the Finals.

Like, let's not even talk about Wade, that's like putting Pierce in the same conversation as Kobe (most people consider prime Wade and prime Kobe pretty similar level players). There's a reason Wade is in that conversation and Pierce isn't. There's a reason Wade was a legitimate MVP candidate in his prime, and was an All-NBA 1st teamer, and Pierce wasn't. Those aren't the end all, be all of arguments, but it's a good gauge of estimating what class of player someone was during their prime. Don't think Pierce was ever a top 10 player in the league, unless you find a particularly weak year where the usual top players had down seasons.

[therealbig3]

Well, when your running mate is Antoine Walker….

I don’t recall Wade winning anything without Shaq or LeBron

na, Wade won that title by himself. noone remembers Shaq was on that team.

C'mon dude. He that was his final 1st team All-NBA selection.

A big factor in Wade having all that open space to attack and get to the free throw line was Dallas selling out their defense to send doubles/triples to Shaq. Including a monster 28pts 16reb 5blks on 12/14 FG in the close out game 6.

Shaq averaged 13 ppg for the series and Wade was killing Dallas the entire time. Shaq was still good that year, but Wade was easily their MVP, which is something even Kobe couldn't say during his title runs with Shaq. Wade was also probably the better player the year before when Shaq finished 2nd in MVP...in retrospect, the Heat were always Wade's team, Shaq just got the spotlight when he first got there.

[NCHeels2008]

I don’t think there’s a recent retiree as oblivious to how his career stacks up in the eyes of his peers as Paul Pierce

That 08 Celtics thing is in his brain

[alebaba]

Well, when your running mate is Antoine Walker….

I don’t recall Wade winning anything without Shaq or LeBron

na, Wade won that title by himself. noone remembers Shaq was on that team.

C'mon dude. He that was his final 1st team All-NBA selection.

A big factor in Wade having all that open space to attack and get to the free throw line was Dallas selling out their defense to send doubles/triples to Shaq. Including a monster 28pts 16reb 5blks on 12/14 FG in the close out game 6.

Did you even watch that series, Shaq was nowhere near his prime and what was his average for the series again? Wade was legit unguardable that series, he was being triple team and they still couldn't stop him. He carried that Heat teams to the finals and the title, stop being a hater.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Man Paul Pierce is so damn cringe and brings it on himself every damn time....Like shut up bro

[jc23]

3 pages and no Bettlejuice pic? for shame realGM

[phanman]

A big factor in Wade having all that open space to attack and get to the free throw line was Dallas selling out their defense to send doubles/triples to Shaq. Including a monster 28pts 16reb 5blks on 12/14 FG in the close out game 6.

Did you even watch that series, Shaq was nowhere near his prime and what was his average for the series again? Wade was legit unguardable that series, he was being triple team and they still couldn't stop him. He carried that Heat teams to the finals and the title, stop being a hater.

Shaq averaged 13 ppg for the series and Wade was killing Dallas the entire time. Shaq was still good that year, but Wade was easily their MVP, which is something even Kobe couldn't say during his title runs with Shaq. Wade was also probably the better player the year before when Shaq finished 2nd in MVP...in retrospect, the Heat were always Wade's team, Shaq just got the spotlight when he first got there.

For to add that last line was in reference to the ECF.

Wade didn't carry that team to the Finals, Shaq was his co-star. If you think he had no impact on the series because he averaged 13ppg than you guys clearly don't remember that series.

I never said that team wasn't Wade's, but to say that Shaq wasn't Shaq was just ignorant. The reason why Wade dominated the Mavs the way he did is because of how much attention Shaq drew from Dallas' defensive game plan.

[miamiheat319]

Btw - did anyone no notice that RJ bodied Gil- he is not someone you want to tangle with

They were ASU teammates and are good friends who roast each other publicly.

U of A

[AbeVigodaLive]

Pierce really forgot how much he was getting bodied prior to the KG pickup. That era of Celtics saw some dark times.

Well, when your running mate is Antoine Walker….

I don’t recall Wade winning anything without Shaq or LeBron

To be fair...

Wade won a title in 2006... and the guy who played the 2nd most playoff minutes on that team was...







... ANTOINE WALKER!

[LAvision]

What did PP say to get this type of response?

[KingFox]

Pierce acts like he won as many titles as Bill Russel

[celticfan42487]

That's the same argument a ball boy for the Nets on those teams could make against Paul Pierce. The difference is Pierce worked over Jefferson every single time.

He wasn't even in his realm.

How in the world is that a killer response to say he played with a much better team around him lol?

[aussiewill]

That's the same argument a ball boy for the Nets on those teams could make against Paul Pierce. The difference is Pierce worked over Jefferson every single time.

He wasn't even in his realm.

How in the world is that a killer response to say he played with a much better team around him lol?

Take the L and keep walking, literally everyone thinks RJ's argument stands up against PP.

They had 36 H2H meetings over the course of 17 seasons and only once did he score more than 40 (in RJs rookie year) and did so by shooting 13/34 (yikes..). 5 games of 7 turnovers or more included, shot .416 (well below career average). RJ had plenty of above average games as well, many 20+ point games against someone who is considered much better...

[ReddoverKobe]

I don’t think there’s a recent retiree as oblivious to how his career stacks up in the eyes of his peers as Paul Pierce

That 08 Celtics thing is in his brain

I've never seen a team get so much mileage from a single title.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Well, when your running mate is Antoine Walker….

I don’t recall Wade winning anything without Shaq or LeBron

na, Wade won that title by himself. noone remembers Shaq was on that team.

C'mon dude. He that was his final 1st team All-NBA selection.

A big factor in Wade having all that open space to attack and get to the free throw line was Dallas selling out their defense to send doubles/triples to Shaq. Including a monster 28pts 16reb 5blks on 12/14 FG in the close out game 6.

i'm pretty sure the majority will never know or remember that.

they will be surprised when they see the stats and say "oh **** Shaq was on that team too".

[rate_]

Some of y'all are losing it you think Pierce is anywhere close to Wade's level. Pierce was never that type of player.

[rate_]

Spoiler:

na, Wade won that title by himself. noone remembers Shaq was on that team.

C'mon dude. He that was his final 1st team All-NBA selection.

A big factor in Wade having all that open space to attack and get to the free throw line was Dallas selling out their defense to send doubles/triples to Shaq. Including a monster 28pts 16reb 5blks on 12/14 FG in the close out game 6.

i'm pretty sure the majority will never know or remember that.

they will be surprised when they see the stats and say "oh **** Shaq was on that team too".

Miami was dog water without 06 Wade. TOP 5 lottery level:

[celticfan42487]

That's the same argument a ball boy for the Nets on those teams could make against Paul Pierce. The difference is Pierce worked over Jefferson every single time.

He wasn't even in his realm.

How in the world is that a killer response to say he played with a much better team around him lol?

Take the L and keep walking, literally everyone thinks RJ's argument stands up against PP.

They had 36 H2H meetings over the course of 17 seasons and only once did he score more than 40 (in RJs rookie year) and did so by shooting 13/34 (yikes..). 5 games of 7 turnovers or more included, shot .416 (well below career average). RJ had plenty of above average games as well, many 20+ point games against someone who is considered much better...

Sure, but I watched these games and their careers.

RJ's arguments are the exact same argument that Patrick Beverly uses when he comes to the Lakers and says we're making the playoffs now that I'm here guys!

He has no argument. Other than he got carried by better players around him lol. That wasn't a reply at all to what was being said lol.

Bench players that never played a minute in the game but were on the roster have the same argument as RJ.

Let's just call reality what it is. This was a weak response from a sensitive RJ who had nothing.