Suns complain about Giannis FT attempts after hacking him all night. Footage included.

[ReddoverKobe]

Didn't watch the game, and not taking one side or the other, but it sounds like there's a lot of, "Watch the game, Giannis got legitimately fouled" responses. Perhaps what the Suns are trying to say is that they should have gotten a lot more calls that the refs didn't give them but gave to Giannis?

And if you watched the game you would know the Bucks defensive plan was to take away the three and the baskets at the rim. Lopez was giving Ayton wide open mid range jumpers. Besides for a little stretch by Cam and Bookers hot third quarter they did a great job.

[thomchatt3rton]

I don’t understand: do people believe the league is trying to prop up the *Milwaukee* Bucks? Is that implication here?


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Just cause someone complains about officiating doesn’t mean they think there’s a league wide conspiracy. Sometimes they think some refs are just bad at their job.

Sure. But if they’re “just bad at their job” then the errors would go both ways. But that’s not the complaint. In fact, that’d be the opposite of the complaint.


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[buckboy]

Suns are 100% right. The leeway Giannis gets from the referees has gotten to historically bad levels.

From the traveling to the fend offs to the hacking on defense and to the cheap shots on opponents, dude is governed by his own golden boy rule book that makes any unbiased fan sick.

Dude's good, there shouldn't be any need to bend the rules this badly to make him better.

Not even prime Bron got away with offensive fouls as much as Giannis. Mans doesn't even try to hide it anymore

Don't forget about the time he pulled a switchblade real fast and knifed Kyrie's ankle.

The purest of haters right here folks.

[skones]

Booker said that "at least a couple of those can be called offensive fouls." I agree. There were probably three from that bunch that could have been no-calls or offensive fouls.

Giannis often gets calls in his favor on plays where he barges into defenders who are in position. It's been that way for years, and pretty much everyone acknowledges it except for some Bucks fans. It's not unique to him, of course, but he benefits.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

[buckboy]

Also Monty Williams is a massive crybaby in general.

[Kilroy]

My inclination to feel bad about bad officiating, is in direct conflict with my belief that CP3 should foul out of every game in the first quarter... Booker not long after...
This results in my dgaf about calls against Suns...

[Bum Adebayo]

Booker aint wrong, Giannis does get away with a lot of offensive foul, same goes for Lebron.

Lol, Giannis and Lebron get hammered on their way to the basket. This attitude is exactly why you have Embiid out there acting like a clown show and ref-baiting, despite his size and strength. When strong guys who are good offensive players don’t flop, everyone screams “Offensive foul!”

Or maybe, you know, all the players mentioned get fouled most of the time? maybe these guys are all elite at drawing FT, despite your agenda at trying to separate them.

[jordanwilliams6]

Suns are turning into a really unlikeable team.

I didn't watch the game but watched every foul call. There was maybe 1 or 2 debatable calls, the rest were as clear as anything and most were in fact genuine hacks. What an absolute bunch of cry babies

[Bum Adebayo]

People that complain about FT drawn but don't show multiple evidences in the game are the worst. Number of FT means nothing, show where the bad calls are.

[buckboy]

I don’t understand: do people believe the league is trying to prop up the *Milwaukee* Bucks? Is that implication here?


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I think it actually is.

[sunsbg]

Didn't watch the game, and not taking one side or the other, but it sounds like there's a lot of, "Watch the game, Giannis got legitimately fouled" responses. Perhaps what the Suns are trying to say is that they should have gotten a lot more calls that the refs didn't give them but gave to Giannis?

Holiday literally holds Booker when defending him and no call, Giannis jumps into Ayton - foul.

[Pythagoras]

Booker aint wrong, Giannis does get away with a lot of offensive foul, same goes for Lebron.

Lol, Giannis and Lebron get hammered on their way to the basket. This attitude is exactly why you have Embiid out there acting like a clown show and ref-baiting, despite his size and strength. When strong guys who are good offensive players don’t flop, everyone screams “Offensive foul!”

Or maybe, you know, all the players mentioned get fouled most of the time? maybe these guys are all elite at drawing FT, despite your agenda at trying to separate them.

I stand by what I said.

[DanoMac]

Also Monty Williams is a massive crybaby in general.

The amount at which his reputation has gone downhill in the last 2 calendar years is astounding.

[DanoMac]

Didn't watch the game, and not taking one side or the other, but it sounds like there's a lot of, "Watch the game, Giannis got legitimately fouled" responses. Perhaps what the Suns are trying to say is that they should have gotten a lot more calls that the refs didn't give them but gave to Giannis?

Holiday literally holds Booker when defending him and no call, Giannis jumps into Ayton - foul.

You can't actually believe this - Holiday might be the best perimeter defender of all time, and he absolutely owns Booker

[Hitachi77]

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Uhhh. This video supports the Suns' complaints. Several of those clearly show that the defender was in position and Giannis initiated contact with his shoulder. Should have been offensive fouls or no-calls.

No lol. He gets away with one charge, the rest of those are fouls. Come on now

First one was not a foul at all, by any measure, and the type of foul called that gets opposing bigs in foul trouble for no reason.

The clear offensive foul makes me want to see how many offensive charges have been called on Giannis this year. I am guessing less than 15.

[buckboy]

Uhhh. This video supports the Suns' complaints. Several of those clearly show that the defender was in position and Giannis initiated contact with his shoulder. Should have been offensive fouls or no-calls.

No lol. He gets away with one charge, the rest of those are fouls. Come on now

First one was not a foul at all, by any measure, and the type of foul called that gets opposing bigs in foul trouble for no reason.

The clear offensive foul makes me want to see how many offensive charges have been called on Giannis this year. I am guessing less than 15.

I'll be curious myself because I think you're waaaaaay low.

[ReddoverKobe]

Uhhh. This video supports the Suns' complaints. Several of those clearly show that the defender was in position and Giannis initiated contact with his shoulder. Should have been offensive fouls or no-calls.

No lol. He gets away with one charge, the rest of those are fouls. Come on now

Booker said that "at least a couple of those can be called offensive fouls." I agree. There were probably three from that bunch that could have been no-calls or offensive fouls.

Giannis often gets calls in his favor on plays where he barges into defenders who are in position. It's been that way for years, and pretty much everyone acknowledges it except for some Bucks fans. It's not unique to him, of course, but he benefits.

1. Which can be said about almost every call in every game.

2. Oh cool, so whats the issue then?

[ITYSL]

Booker said that "at least a couple of those can be called offensive fouls." I agree. There were probably three from that bunch that could have been no-calls or offensive fouls.

Giannis often gets calls in his favor on plays where he barges into defenders who are in position. It's been that way for years, and pretty much everyone acknowledges it except for some Bucks fans. It's not unique to him, of course, but he benefits.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

I've always thought that all players should be officiated consistently, no matter who they are. I will say that Giannis earns his FTs a lot more than the stars who bait for fouls and/or get them on minor contact on jumpshots. Giannis tirelessly, repeatedly drives and drives and drives and drives, and that's what leads to so many FTs. He puts the refs in a position to have to make a call all the time.

However, I do think his style of play can be detrimental in the playoffs. Opposing teams can key in on him and build the wall, and as a result his FTr and thus TS% tend to drop considerably in the playoffs, much more than other stars.

[Edrees]

Booker aint wrong, Giannis does get away with a lot of offensive foul, same goes for Lebron.

Giannis : 12.78 FTA per game
Lebron: 6.3 FTA per game

This is like saying "Steph curry makes a lot of 3 pointers. So does Steven Adams"

Lebron James isn't in the same conversation of drawing fouls this season as Giannis. Giannis is #1 and Lebron is outside the Top 15

[ghillphx]

If Monty Williams was a good coach he'd be drilling his team about their bad defense rather than feeding their egos and saying that the only way they could've given up that many free throws is because of biased officiating.

Said by someone who didn't actually watch the game