Mavericks brain fart

[thelead]

Why did the Mavs think they were going to get the ball on the other side of the court though???

[azcatz11]

Change the thread title. The refs told the mavs they had possession. Inexcusable. Fire the entire crew

What's more inexcusable here is that the Mavs were on the other end of the court. No matter who they thought should've had the ball, they were not on the correct side of the court. That alone is more inexcusable than anything else. Regardless of the confusion, the ease of the points given up is 100% on the Mavericks team and nobody has a single argument against that.

They thought the inbound was coming from that side of the court...

[California Gold]

Change the thread title. The refs told the mavs they had possession. Inexcusable. Fire the entire crew

What's more inexcusable here is that the Mavs were on the other end of the court. No matter who they thought should've had the ball, they were not on the correct side of the court. That alone is more inexcusable than anything else. Regardless of the confusion, the ease of the points given up is 100% on the Mavericks team and nobody has a single argument against that.

They thought the inbound was coming from that side of the court...

Uh.... why? Again, there's no argument. If they thought it was their ball it would've been inbounded from the very place the Warriors inbounded it from. There's literally no excuse for them not to have had at least 2 players on that side of the court.

[monopoman]

Yeah I'm not sure why there were 0 Mav players on that side of the court, and they should have been suspicious even if completely clueless when all 5 Warrior players were on the other side.

[AussieCeltic]

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Sequence before the break above -- possession indicated, then timeout indicated. Wasn't super clear, but it's there.

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

[azcatz11]

What's more inexcusable here is that the Mavs were on the other end of the court. No matter who they thought should've had the ball, they were not on the correct side of the court. That alone is more inexcusable than anything else. Regardless of the confusion, the ease of the points given up is 100% on the Mavericks team and nobody has a single argument against that.

They thought the inbound was coming from that side of the court...

Uh.... why? Again, there's no argument. If they thought it was their ball it would've been inbounded from the very place the Warriors inbounded it from. There's literally no excuse for them not to have had at least 2 players on that side of the court.

They thought it was being inbounded below their basket…the refs did a 180 and didn’t communicate to them

[Dacost]

I get it the Mavs made a mistake but the refs has to tell them before the inbound we see all the time.

2shots -FTs

Warriors ball side out!

Ect this ref did none of that.

[California Gold]

They thought the inbound was coming from that side of the court...

Uh.... why? Again, there's no argument. If they thought it was their ball it would've been inbounded from the very place the Warriors inbounded it from. There's literally no excuse for them not to have had at least 2 players on that side of the court.

They thought it was being inbounded below their basket…the refs did a 180 and didn’t communicate to them

Yeah now you're just arguing to argue at this point.

It can't actually be any more clearer that the one thing that can't be confused is no matter who's ball it was the ball was going to be inbounded on the side of the court where the Warriors inbounded it from. Unless of course the Mavericks don't know how basketball works -- could very well be the case they aren't exactly a good team by any metrics.

[azcatz11]

Uh.... why? Again, there's no argument. If they thought it was their ball it would've been inbounded from the very place the Warriors inbounded it from. There's literally no excuse for them not to have had at least 2 players on that side of the court.

They thought it was being inbounded below their basket…the refs did a 180 and didn’t communicate to them

Yeah now you're just arguing to argue at this point.

It can't actually be any more clearer that the one thing that can't be confused is no matter who's ball it was the ball was going to be inbounded on the side of the court where the Warriors inbounded it from. Unless of course the Mavericks don't know how basketball works -- could very well be the case they aren't exactly a good team by any metrics.

I’m honestly not. It’s too late at night and I’m exhausted from a long day. Are you saying the ball would have been inbounded where it was regardless?

[California Gold]

They thought it was being inbounded below their basket…the refs did a 180 and didn’t communicate to them

Yeah now you're just arguing to argue at this point.

It can't actually be any more clearer that the one thing that can't be confused is no matter who's ball it was the ball was going to be inbounded on the side of the court where the Warriors inbounded it from. Unless of course the Mavericks don't know how basketball works -- could very well be the case they aren't exactly a good team by any metrics.

I’m honestly not. It’s too late at night and I’m exhausted from a long day. Are you saying the ball would have been inbounded where it was regardless?

Yes. I think at worst even if the Mavs didn't know it wasn't their ball they would've been able to defend the easy inbounds play and not give up that layup simply from the fact that they would've had to have two guys on that side of the court to supposedly inbound the ball.

I don't really understand how one team knows it was their ball and that was what the ref had signaled the other team didn't. Usually when one team knows what's going on and the other doesn't I'd put the blame on the team doesn't know to figure it out. If both teams didn't know then yes I'd put 100% of the blame on the refs.

[NeoWarriors]

I love all the mental gymnastics. The video is clear. Ball goes out of bounds under the Warriors basket and the ref immediately calls Warriors ball. Then he blows the whistle and says time out Mavericks and points the other way. Warriors knew whose ball it was. The Warriors announcers knew whose ball it was. Steve Kerr drew up a play for the Warriors during the time out. Steve Kerr knew whose ball it was. Warriors came out with JP under the basket and the Warriors ready to inbound the ball. The Mavericks, put all their players on their end of the court for some reason. If they thought it was their ball what were they doing on the wrong end of the court? They should at least have two people down to inbound the ball. This was all on Jason Kidd being an idiot and not knowing whose ball it was.

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[Ckay]

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-5-scoring-and-timing/

NBA Rule No. 5 - Section VI - Timeouts Mandatory/Team

If neither team has taken a timeout prior to 6:59 of the period, it shall be mandatory for the Official Scorer to take it at the first dead ball and charge it to the home team. If no subsequent timeouts are taken prior to 2:59, it shall be mandatory for the Official Scorer to take it and charge it to the team not previously charged.

[BoatsNZones]

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Sequence before the break above -- possession indicated, then timeout indicated. Wasn't super clear, but it's there.

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused). The ref even doubled up on his already correct call with a double thumb backwards towards the Warriors side after Looney asked for this clarification.

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

[AussieCeltic]

I love all the mental gymnastics. The video is clear. Ball goes out of bounds under the Warriors basket and the ref immediately calls Warriors ball. Then he blows the whistle and says time out Mavericks and points the other way. Warriors knew whose ball it was. The Warriors announcers knew whose ball it was. Steve Kerr drew up a play for the Warriors during the time out. Steve Kerr knew whose ball it was. Warriors came out with JP under the basket and the Warriors ready to inbound the ball. The Mavericks, put all their players on their end of the court for some reason. If they thought it was their ball what were they doing on the wrong end of the court? They should at least have two people down to inbound the ball. This was all on Jason Kidd being an idiot and not knowing whose ball it was.

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At first, you see Looney get upset at the ref as he thinks he’s overturned the call. That’s where all the confusion comes from. The ref down the Warriors end who made the call, then talks to Looney saying no it’s a timeout.

That ref also never made the timeout signal which is in the refs manual of duties a ref must do. He simply points in the Mavs direction.

At no point are the Mavs told it’s their ball. If there is confusion it’s on the ref. I’ve played and coached for 20 years and if there is confusion like that, they’ll hold play up and clarify it before restarting.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to change but there is some clear confusion initially from both teams so I can see how the Mavs are upset.

[AussieCeltic]

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Sequence before the break above -- possession indicated, then timeout indicated. Wasn't super clear, but it's there.

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger on the palm.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

[BoatsNZones]

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

Lol no dude. By far the most common Timeout signal is the hand up (one of the refs will also signal the small T, yes, and nobody was confused it was a timeout). I assure you every player/coach is aware.

[AussieCeltic]

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

Lol no dude. By far the most common Timeout signal is the hand up.

Hand up is to halt play 100%.

There is only 1 timeout signal. I even watched the Lakers game closely and at all points a timeout was signalled with the “T”

But whatever, I don’t care. It doesn’t involve my team but I think there was clear confusion that the refs should’ve clarified prior to restarting play

[LakersLegacy]

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And then lose the game by that amount of points in the tightest play-off race of all-time

[Mamba81p]

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger on the palm.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

In NBA refs don't always use the T for timeout. They use that for technical foul. It is obvious what the ref called, but only Mavs announcer and J Kidd got it wrong. Maybe they have to be consistent with how they call timeout, but that is all. Mavs protest has no ground.

What their announcers says it's irrelevant... A team should not draw plays based on a freaking announcer. That is for the crowd.

[AussieCeltic]

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger on the palm.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

In NBA refs don't use the T for timeout. They use that for technical foul. It is obvious what the ref calledbut only Mavs announcer and J Kidd got it wrong.

What their announcers says it's irrelevant... A team should not draw plays based on a freaking announcer. That is for the crowd.

T with a single finger is timeout. T with the all the fingers is a tech.

Tapping on the shoulders indicates 20 second timeout.