Should the Celtics consider trading Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum?

[ky_23]

since kyrie left the team we all have had concerns and doubts about new core with jt and brown. but they seemed to improve their chemistry and find a game philosophy both as indivdiuals and team over the last 2 3 years. i thought they needed 1 or 2 more steps to reach the ceiling potential but now it seems like all those same doubts and concerns came to the light once again where it is pretty complicated to build around these duo. their decision making is still the biggest problem on offense which was the reason of the finals loss against the warriors last year. brogdon was a good pick but he is not someone you can count on at the biggest stage. i believe they still have a shot with on spot replacements. they need to accept their role as a second ball handler where their only job is to attack the opening creating quality shots rather than trying to make plays or iso from the top. key part here is benching smart and finding right piece as primary ball handler to start to action for them. but if celtics are to trade one of them, it is brown for sure. he is a game changer but tatum is a potential mvp and a top 5 player.

[hugepatsfan]

Brown for De'Andre Hunter and Okongwu. Would that be fair? It would help both teams I think.

I like Okongwu a lot as a breakout candidate and Hunter is solid (though injury prone). But it’s a HUGE stretch to say moving Brown for them helps Boston. Makes them significantly worse as a team.

If Brown demands out and a supermax can’t help it, then it’s worth discussing because you’d be dealing from a real position of weakness and Atlanta would presumably be a place he’d extend. But that’s not a deal that helps Boston, just makes the best of a bad situation if that’s the hand they’re dealt.

[JimmyPlopper]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

Maxey probably can get out of the second round (or I just like him). Embiid for damn sure needs to be traded

[Duke4life831]

Brown for BI and Jose Alvarado.

Boston gets a legit playmaking perimeter player and a bench guard that is a very good defender and brings energy like no other. Boston really could use an energetic spark like Jose.

Pels get more durable and a more proven player to go with Zion.

[cam24thomas]

Trading Tatum would be insane

They struggle with ball handling and passing, Brown makes that worse, plus Brown has hinted he's interested in leaving eventually.

Trading him for a PG makes sense.

Tatum's ballhandling has been horrible lately, and he travels under pressure. Tatum's turned into a liability in pressure situations, so it wouldn't be hard to get a better ball-handling star in return for Tatum.

[GeorgeSears]

You have to keep Tatum, he's proven that he's elite and the Celtics offense couldn't do anything unless he was initiating.

The Brown situation is much trickier. He's due for a massive extension, but he hasn't played winning basketball in these playoffs. His trade value should be high, so, can they get an equivalent return? Looking at the landscape, It looks like they're stuck with him.

[donato]

Brown for BI and Jose Alvarado.

Boston gets a legit playmaking perimeter player and a bench guard that is a very good defender and brings energy like no other. Boston really could use an energetic spark like Jose.

Pels get more durable and a more proven player to go with Zion.

As a Pels fan I don't think I'd trade Ingram straight up for Brown, and certainly wouldn't want to include Alvarado. I'd sooner consider trading Zion.

[Duke4life831]

Brown for BI and Jose Alvarado.

Boston gets a legit playmaking perimeter player and a bench guard that is a very good defender and brings energy like no other. Boston really could use an energetic spark like Jose.

Pels get more durable and a more proven player to go with Zion.

As a Pels fan I don't think I'd trade Ingram straight up for Brown, and certainly wouldn't want to include Alvarado. I'd sooner consider trading Zion.

I can’t argue this take at all. I just think in a trade Brown right now will have more value. More durable and more proven (rarely misses games and just got 2nd team All NBA) . But ya I totally get why a Pels fan would say no to this.

[Norm2953]

It'd be interesting to see if now Boston picks up the phone and offers Brown to Portland for Dame

if feel like this is almost a no brainer for both teams but I can also see why both teams wouldn't. Boston would shorten their window a bunch while PDX would finally be embracing a full rebuild which they seem stupidly hesitant about. Brown, White, Gallo/Filler, 2 1st w/ some level of protection for Dame

Dame time would fix the late game weaknesses for Boston for the guy lives for those moments. At least
he would playing with the elite SF he has been asking for.

[ItsDanger]

[Ni Da Ye]

Kyrie for JB. Let's make it happen please.

[AussieCeltic]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

Exactly. Go down the list of teams who performed worse these playoffs and trade their star players.

With these 2 together they've been an almost automatic Conference Finals team since they've been drafted and they're still young and improving (maybe not in areas we'd prefer like Brown ball handling etc).

They need to get better around the fringes. Which starts off at the point guard position. They need a better facilitator who can play defense and hit the 3 (as do most teams) and I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Guys like Jrue or Lowry/Conley (5 years ago) would be perfect but I'm not sure who the new generation "safe" point guards are. Tyus Jones is a guy I like, but does he move the needle?

The other thing is, Al is starting to look older. Celtics did a great job resting him through the season but as the playoffs wear on, you see the older guys start to slow. Hard to trust Rob in that role full time with his health concerns. Is Grant coming back? If he expects $20m like he said, he's not. There's moves to be made, I just don't know what they are.

Smart looks like he's the odd man out right now.

[tcheco]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

Exactly. Go down the list of teams who performed worse these playoffs and trade their star players.

With these 2 together they've been an almost automatic Conference Finals team since they've been drafted and they're still young and improving (maybe not in areas we'd prefer like Brown ball handling etc).

They need to get better around the fringes. Which starts off at the point guard position. They need a better facilitator who can play defense and hit the 3 (as do most teams) and I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Guys like Jrue or Lowry/Conley (5 years ago) would be perfect but I'm not sure who the new generation "safe" point guards are. Tyus Jones is a guy I like, but does he move the needle?

The other thing is, Al is starting to look older. Celtics did a great job resting him through the season but as the playoffs wear on, you see the older guys start to slow. Hard to trust Rob in that role full time with his health concerns. Is Grant coming back? If he expects $20m like he said, he's not. There's moves to be made, I just don't know what they are.

Smart looks like he's the odd man out right now.

I believe that the feeling for this threads is: I can't see a Celtics team more complete and stronger that this one.
Smart, White and Brogdon as your PGs and SGs
Horford and Williams as bigs
Grant Williams killed last year with his range.
2 stars leading the way.

They could try to package 2 players for an upgrade, but whats the deal to be had? Horford and Williams have little value i'd guess for other teams(getting older for Horford and Injuries for williams).

Sure this series is a bit of a surprise, but is this team a trade of brogdon and Williams again of getting over the hump? A coach change with that could work... but who knows

[AussieCeltic]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

Exactly. Go down the list of teams who performed worse these playoffs and trade their star players.

With these 2 together they've been an almost automatic Conference Finals team since they've been drafted and they're still young and improving (maybe not in areas we'd prefer like Brown ball handling etc).

They need to get better around the fringes. Which starts off at the point guard position. They need a better facilitator who can play defense and hit the 3 (as do most teams) and I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Guys like Jrue or Lowry/Conley (5 years ago) would be perfect but I'm not sure who the new generation "safe" point guards are. Tyus Jones is a guy I like, but does he move the needle?

The other thing is, Al is starting to look older. Celtics did a great job resting him through the season but as the playoffs wear on, you see the older guys start to slow. Hard to trust Rob in that role full time with his health concerns. Is Grant coming back? If he expects $20m like he said, he's not. There's moves to be made, I just don't know what they are.

Smart looks like he's the odd man out right now.

I believe that the feeling for this threads is: I can't see a Celtics team more complete and stronger that this one.
Smart, White and Brogdon as your PGs and SGs
Horford and Williams as bigs
Grant Williams killed last year with his range.
2 stars leading the way.

They could try to package 2 players for an upgrade, but whats the deal to be had? Horford and Williams have little value i'd guess for other teams(getting older for Horford and Injuries for williams).

Sure this series is a bit of a surprise, but is this team a trade of brogdon and Williams again of getting over the hump? A coach change with that could work... but who knows

I just don't think there needs to be drastic changes like trading Tatum/Brown. I think if you're consistently getting to the conference finals with 2 players, there's no need to break them up. Just be better at putting the right pieces around them, in particular a coach with some experience.

Like let's be real here. If the Celtics had Spo coaching and Heat had Joe, are the Heat winning? There's obviously no way to tell, but I guarantee the Celtics wouldn't be down 3-0 with Spo as the head coach.

[tcheco]

Exactly. Go down the list of teams who performed worse these playoffs and trade their star players.

With these 2 together they've been an almost automatic Conference Finals team since they've been drafted and they're still young and improving (maybe not in areas we'd prefer like Brown ball handling etc).

They need to get better around the fringes. Which starts off at the point guard position. They need a better facilitator who can play defense and hit the 3 (as do most teams) and I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Guys like Jrue or Lowry/Conley (5 years ago) would be perfect but I'm not sure who the new generation "safe" point guards are. Tyus Jones is a guy I like, but does he move the needle?

The other thing is, Al is starting to look older. Celtics did a great job resting him through the season but as the playoffs wear on, you see the older guys start to slow. Hard to trust Rob in that role full time with his health concerns. Is Grant coming back? If he expects $20m like he said, he's not. There's moves to be made, I just don't know what they are.

Smart looks like he's the odd man out right now.

I believe that the feeling for this threads is: I can't see a Celtics team more complete and stronger that this one.
Smart, White and Brogdon as your PGs and SGs
Horford and Williams as bigs
Grant Williams killed last year with his range.
2 stars leading the way.

They could try to package 2 players for an upgrade, but whats the deal to be had? Horford and Williams have little value i'd guess for other teams(getting older for Horford and Injuries for williams).

Sure this series is a bit of a surprise, but is this team a trade of brogdon and Williams again of getting over the hump? A coach change with that could work... but who knows

I just don't think there needs to be drastic changes like trading Tatum/Brown. I think if you're consistently getting to the conference finals with 2 players, there's no need to break them up. Just be better at putting the right pieces around them, in particular a coach with some experience.

Like let's be real here. If the Celtics had Spo coaching and Heat had Joe, are the Heat winning? There's obviously no way to tell, but I guarantee the Celtics wouldn't be down 3-0 with Spo as the head coach.

Agreed with most.
People just want to see some change. They also consider that might be some drama with Brown wanting a team for himself? Not that this is a fact but sports are better with some stories being created around the things we don’f know behind the scenes.

That being said, celtics need a but of change, even mike conley today would help, timberwolves were much better after him arriving

[drone3]

Fire up the trade machine. Waiting on the JB for Lillard trades to flood the media

[sfernald]

The big takeaway to me is that the Celtics are an embarrassment. Fire the coach and break up the beetles.This team ain't going anywhere ever.

[AussieCeltic]

I believe that the feeling for this threads is: I can't see a Celtics team more complete and stronger that this one.
Smart, White and Brogdon as your PGs and SGs
Horford and Williams as bigs
Grant Williams killed last year with his range.
2 stars leading the way.

They could try to package 2 players for an upgrade, but whats the deal to be had? Horford and Williams have little value i'd guess for other teams(getting older for Horford and Injuries for williams).

Sure this series is a bit of a surprise, but is this team a trade of brogdon and Williams again of getting over the hump? A coach change with that could work... but who knows

I just don't think there needs to be drastic changes like trading Tatum/Brown. I think if you're consistently getting to the conference finals with 2 players, there's no need to break them up. Just be better at putting the right pieces around them, in particular a coach with some experience.

Like let's be real here. If the Celtics had Spo coaching and Heat had Joe, are the Heat winning? There's obviously no way to tell, but I guarantee the Celtics wouldn't be down 3-0 with Spo as the head coach.

Agreed with most.
People just want to see some change. They also consider that might be some drama with Brown wanting a team for himself? Not that this is a fact but sports are better with some stories being created around the things we don’f know behind the scenes.

That being said, celtics need a but of change, even mike conley today would help, timberwolves were much better after him arriving

If Mike Conley was 2-3 years younger, I'd be all over it. His numbers have been in steady decline for 3 straight seasons.

Heck, FVV might even be a decent option at this point.

[GSP]

The Jays experiment has run its course

They went far together but 2 wings who struggle to handle and playmake arent gonna win specially with Smart who isnt a true floor leader

Jayson at least is much better on playmaking and can dribble the ball 3 times. Jaylen has to go......need a true Pg and big........and fire Madoofus there are alot of good coaches out there

[Warriorfan]

They are young top 20 players with Bos having pieces to consolidate