NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 2023-24
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Ron Swanson wrote:Wemby's far and away the safest bet so yeah, nothing too controversial here, it'll probably be him. Don't get the Chet odds at all. He's got zero shot of putting up enough raw numbers with SGA, Giddey, and Jalen Williams as their clear Top-3 usage guys. If I can take the odds against someone winning ROTY, it's Chet in a landslide.
It's just based on history. We have seen guys who missed their first season perform very well in their "true" rookie season because they have an extra year of NBA practice and all the off court stuff.
Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, Embiid all had great rookie seasons after missing time.
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We haven't seen a basketball player with that injury come back, tho. There is a whole list of top 5 picks that got injured and never fully recovered.Jadoogar wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Wemby's far and away the safest bet so yeah, nothing too controversial here, it'll probably be him. Don't get the Chet odds at all. He's got zero shot of putting up enough raw numbers with SGA, Giddey, and Jalen Williams as their clear Top-3 usage guys. If I can take the odds against someone winning ROTY, it's Chet in a landslide.
It's just based on history. We have seen guys who missed their first season perform very well in their "true" rookie season because they have an extra year of NBA practice and all the off court stuff.
Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, Embiid all had great rookie seasons after missing time.
I like Chet and wish him the best, but you have to be realistic in expectations.
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basketballRob wrote:We haven't seen a basketball player with that injury come back, tho. There is a whole list of top 5 picks that got injured and never fully recovered.Jadoogar wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Wemby's far and away the safest bet so yeah, nothing too controversial here, it'll probably be him. Don't get the Chet odds at all. He's got zero shot of putting up enough raw numbers with SGA, Giddey, and Jalen Williams as their clear Top-3 usage guys. If I can take the odds against someone winning ROTY, it's Chet in a landslide.
It's just based on history. We have seen guys who missed their first season perform very well in their "true" rookie season because they have an extra year of NBA practice and all the off court stuff.
Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, Embiid all had great rookie seasons after missing time.
I like Chet and wish him the best, but you have to be realistic in expectations.
Yeah I don't like that logic or history at all. Those three guys were all clearly the best prospects in their class and were all notably physically/athletically dominant, so it makes sense that they stepped in as soon as they could play and became ROYs. Even if it's helpful to sit the year and adjust a little to the NBA schedule, I strongly doubt that sitting out a year translates into a major on-court advantage to every player. If those three didn't miss that year and were healthy right from the jump, they would've likely been just about as impressive as rookies.
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HotelVitale wrote:basketballRob wrote:We haven't seen a basketball player with that injury come back, tho. There is a whole list of top 5 picks that got injured and never fully recovered.Jadoogar wrote:
It's just based on history. We have seen guys who missed their first season perform very well in their "true" rookie season because they have an extra year of NBA practice and all the off court stuff.
Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, Embiid all had great rookie seasons after missing time.
I like Chet and wish him the best, but you have to be realistic in expectations.
Yeah I don't like that logic or history at all. Those three guys were all clearly the best prospects in their class and were all notably physically/athletically dominant, so it makes sense that they stepped in as soon as they could play and became ROYs. Even if it's helpful to sit the year and adjust a little to the NBA schedule, I strongly doubt that sitting out a year translates into a major on-court advantage to every player. If those three didn't miss that year and were healthy right from the jump, they would've likely been just about as impressive as rookies.
Ok another example is Julius Randle (he got hurt in his first game). He wasn't as talented as these three guys but he averaged a double double in his first true season.
I don't think Chet will win ROY because his team is good. But i think there are real advantages to being in the NBA system for a year.
Scoot would have been my first choice but i don't know if he'll get the opportunity on this current POR roster.
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Jadoogar wrote:HotelVitale wrote:basketballRob wrote:We haven't seen a basketball player with that injury come back, tho. There is a whole list of top 5 picks that got injured and never fully recovered.
I like Chet and wish him the best, but you have to be realistic in expectations.
Yeah I don't like that logic or history at all. Those three guys were all clearly the best prospects in their class and were all notably physically/athletically dominant, so it makes sense that they stepped in as soon as they could play and became ROYs. Even if it's helpful to sit the year and adjust a little to the NBA schedule, I strongly doubt that sitting out a year translates into a major on-court advantage to every player. If those three didn't miss that year and were healthy right from the jump, they would've likely been just about as impressive as rookies.
Ok another example is Julius Randle (he got hurt in his first game). He wasn't as talented as these three guys but he averaged a double double in his first true season.
I don't think Chet will win ROY because his team is good. But i think there are real advantages to being in the NBA system for a year.
Scoot would have been my first choice but i don't know if he'll get the opportunity on this current POR roster.
Again Randle's game and situation explains that much better and more directly than this airy advantage that not playing for a whole season somehow gives you. Randle was productive right away in the NBA, but he was also terrible and playing on an absolute tank-fest of a Lakers team that won 17 games. Randle also played almost 30 mpg depsite a laughable 48% TS. He's just not a strong argument for someone who become a much better and more NBA-ready player because he sat out a year.
Also just off top of head, Zhaire Smith missing his rookie year was a total disaster, Wiseman missing 1.5 of his first 2 years was obviously horrible, Johnny Flynn was brutal. I'm sure there's more (but no quick way to google it).
I don't have any irrational disdain for this idea or anything, just doesn't work and has tons of flaws as an assumption to my eyes. I think the advantage it gives you is something but it's much much smaller than 'will elevate you a tier or two as a rookie.' Especially if your evidence for that is a handful of superstar rookies.
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HotelVitale wrote:Jadoogar wrote:HotelVitale wrote:
Yeah I don't like that logic or history at all. Those three guys were all clearly the best prospects in their class and were all notably physically/athletically dominant, so it makes sense that they stepped in as soon as they could play and became ROYs. Even if it's helpful to sit the year and adjust a little to the NBA schedule, I strongly doubt that sitting out a year translates into a major on-court advantage to every player. If those three didn't miss that year and were healthy right from the jump, they would've likely been just about as impressive as rookies.
Ok another example is Julius Randle (he got hurt in his first game). He wasn't as talented as these three guys but he averaged a double double in his first true season.
I don't think Chet will win ROY because his team is good. But i think there are real advantages to being in the NBA system for a year.
Scoot would have been my first choice but i don't know if he'll get the opportunity on this current POR roster.
Again Randle's game and situation explains that much better and more directly than this airy advantage that not playing for a whole season somehow gives you. Randle was productive right away in the NBA, but he was also terrible and playing on an absolute tank-fest of a Lakers team that won 17 games. Randle also played almost 30 mpg depsite a laughable 48% TS. He's just not a strong argument for someone who become a much better and more NBA-ready player because he sat out a year.
Also just off top of head, Zhaire Smith missing his rookie year was a total disaster, Wiseman missing 1.5 of his first 2 years was obviously horrible, Johnny Flynn was brutal. I'm sure there's more (but no quick way to google it).
I don't have any irrational disdain for this idea or anything, just doesn't work and has tons of flaws as an assumption to my eyes. I think the advantage it gives you is something but it's much much smaller than 'will elevate you a tier or two as a rookie.' Especially if your evidence for that is a handful of superstar rookies.
Agreed.
Player injuries are never great, for obvious reasons. I think with players of a certain pedigree, where franchises are very dedicated to building around them, can withstand and injury season. Guys like Ben Simmons or Blake Griffin where their teams were completely fine waiting for them to come lead a young, bad franchise. But like HotelVitale is saying here, miss your rookie season and lots can happen with the team's direction in the meantime. A mid-to-late first-round pick might miss their shot at a big minute development year. Or another player gets drafted at your position, and their early success comes at your success.
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Bornstellar wrote:It's gonna be Victor. Everyone else can save their hot takes
If u want to bet tho u need to risk it with some1 else...Theres no value in taking victor.
Its like the memes from the nba draft where you could bet 10k to get 1 dollar if victor went number 1.
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He is literally a rookie, why would you hate it?clyde21 wrote:just included top 8 picks + Chet/Other options.
*hate that Chet is eligible but it is what it is
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Mbrahv0528 wrote:He is literally a rookie, why would you hate it?clyde21 wrote:just included top 8 picks + Chet/Other options.
*hate that Chet is eligible but it is what it is
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he's literally a 2nd year player.
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im surprised Amen has more votes than Ausar
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VW will have all the room and PT he needs, so he's the likely winner, but at the reported betting odds, I'd bet on Miller, oldest, with the most developed game, and will have enough time to showcase himself.
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Walker is going to start and get a lot of minutes. Last season, they were playing Nesmith at the 4.
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I'm surprised Ausar was even included on the list. Zero shot.clyde21 wrote:im surprised Amen has more votes than Ausar
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10 Highest Vertical Jumps
1) Julian Phillips, Tennessee: 43 inches
2) Mojave King, G League Ignite: 42 inches
3) Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Marquette: 40.5 inches
4) Cam Whitemore, Villanova: 40.5 inches
5) Andre Jackson Jr., UConn: 39.5 inches
6) Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLA: 39 inches
7) Anthony Black, Arkansas: 39 inches
8) Brandin Podziemski, Santa Clara: 39 inches
9) Reece Beekman, Virginia: 38 inches
10) Jarace Walker, Houston: 38 inches
10 Highest Standing Vertical Jumps
1) Julian Phillips, Tennessee: 36 inches
2) Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Marquette: 35 inches
3) Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLA: 34.5 inches
4) Jarace Walker, Houston: 34.5 inches
5) Mojave King, G League Ignite: 33.5 inches
6) Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana: 33 inches
7) Mike Miles Jr., TCU: 33 inches
8) Jordan Walsh, Arkansas: 33 inches
9) Taylor Hendricks, UCF: 32.5 inches
10) Arthur Kaluma, Creighton: 32.5 inches
1) Julian Phillips, Tennessee: 43 inches
2) Mojave King, G League Ignite: 42 inches
3) Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Marquette: 40.5 inches
4) Cam Whitemore, Villanova: 40.5 inches
5) Andre Jackson Jr., UConn: 39.5 inches
6) Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLA: 39 inches
7) Anthony Black, Arkansas: 39 inches
8) Brandin Podziemski, Santa Clara: 39 inches
9) Reece Beekman, Virginia: 38 inches
10) Jarace Walker, Houston: 38 inches
10 Highest Standing Vertical Jumps
1) Julian Phillips, Tennessee: 36 inches
2) Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Marquette: 35 inches
3) Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLA: 34.5 inches
4) Jarace Walker, Houston: 34.5 inches
5) Mojave King, G League Ignite: 33.5 inches
6) Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana: 33 inches
7) Mike Miles Jr., TCU: 33 inches
8) Jordan Walsh, Arkansas: 33 inches
9) Taylor Hendricks, UCF: 32.5 inches
10) Arthur Kaluma, Creighton: 32.5 inches
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I’m excited to see Chet play…. I really feel like the Thunder should go after Rudy Gobert to help protect Chet. But the Thunder look good
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PMONSTER wrote:I’m excited to see Chet play…. I really feel like the Thunder should go after Rudy Gobert to help protect Chet. But the Thunder look good
I still think Chet’s injury was likely a freak thing, not a result of him being frail or whatever. I got that same injury once and never had any food problems before or after, and it’s not like skinny guys have some horrible history of foot bone injuries.