Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jaime Jaquez Jr

[JRoy]

Let’s do this again in 2-3 years

[BBallFreak]

Does it, though?

I would think a coach like Spoelstra, on a team like Miami, trusting a rookie to play every minute of the 4th quarter, while performing the way he has, would hold more weight. Do you think he'd trust Sharpe with the same role?

I mean, we could grab anyone from the G League, hand then to keys to the franchise, and let them go at it and undoubtedly, some would put up decent numbers, but that doesn't make them franchise players.

If Jamie Jaquez and Shaeden Sharpe were to change places, do you think Coach Billups would trust Jamie to play big minutes and take a larger role?

Shaedon Sharpe came into the league at 19 years old and jumped from high school to the pros and has to be a star.

Nobody is asking Jaime Jaquez to be a star. All they are asking of him is to not mess up and play hard.

People need to compare players according to age and their role.

Why would the Trailblazers want a 22 year old player, drafted late in the first and has shown Joe Ingles/Gordon Hayward level of play at best?

It's not like Jaime would have a larger role on the team anyway, he'll have to contend with Anfernee Simons, Malcolm Brogdon, Jerami Grant, and Deandre Ayton. All four are selfish ass players on a tanking team.

Shaedon gets froze out all the time. The reason why he gets minutes is because he is being pushed to be a star. Jaime would have to steal minutes from Matisse or Toumani.

Shaedon wouldn't even play on the Heat unless he could do all the little things that is required or he is needed to be an athletic sparkplug to make splash plays. And I doubt the Heat would expect him to be a star level player, the ceiling to his game would be limited because he wouldn't be allowed to try things in game that he has no business trying.

It's like what Josh Hart said a while ago, he spent his whole summer practicing pick and roll, ball handling, and shooting off the dribble. Then Lebron comes and he's standing in the corner, taking spot up shots that he did not focus on and he struggled that year.

He went from promising young player about to take on a larger role, to a 3 and D guy in one season.

Shaedon Sharpe and Jaime Jaquez are doing two different things with two different expectations.

What a ridiculous post. Do you really think it's harder to have a greenlight, knowing that even if you mess up you're still going to play vs. having a short hook because your mistakes are amplified?

You've got to be kidding me.

[zimpy27]

Sharpe.. I'm surprised the poll is so close.. potential is what you want from young players..

Even if you wanted to compete now you'd choose the high potential guy.

[Rendei]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

[JRoy]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

That is a curious argument.

[52-12-7]

JJJ is two years older and has four years of college experience, so it's not really a fair comparison.

Sharpe got off to a great start, but his shooting fell off when he injured his thumb in his shooting hand and then he was forced to play heavy minutes due to all the injuries to Blazers guard rotation and his efficiency fell off as well. His numbers came back up as soon as he took of the braces in his shooting hand, but he got delegated to lesser role when Simons and Grant came back and Chauncey had him stand in corners. Blazers are Simons and Grant's team after all. He was also playing with injured groin before going down in the middle of the game. Sharpe has all the physical tools to become a star, and has already shown many flashes to be one. I do have concerns about his mental aspect of the game as he appears to be very passive. JJJ definitely has the edge in this aspect.

[Rendei]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

That is a curious argument.

Then let me simplify it. I would much rather pay a guy a rookie contract starting from age 22 than starting from age 18 if I'm the GM of a team, the way the current CBA is structured.

[ItsDanger]

Jacquez is a 4 year college player, of course he's more polished. His efficiency has exceeded anyone's expectations. Sharpe had zero college experience but his upside exceeds Jacquez by a lot. Will he achieve that ceiling? Time will tell. These threads are bait threads.

[azcatz11]

Jaquez- he’s won everywhere he’s been. Look at ucla this year without him. Dumpster fire.

[JRoy]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

That is a curious argument.

Then let me simplify it. I would much rather pay a guy a rookie contract starting from age 22 than starting from age 18 if I'm the GM of a team, the way the current CBA is structured.

Would more potential in the younger player change that calculus?

[Rendei]

That is a curious argument.

Then let me simplify it. I would much rather pay a guy a rookie contract starting from age 22 than starting from age 18 if I'm the GM of a team, the way the current CBA is structured.

Would more potential in the younger player change that calculus?

Only if they're good quickly. By the CBA you get a certain number of years with that player. It doesn't matter what their age is. I'd rather have a player from 22-29 than from 18-25. You're essentially paying to train them.

[iamoti]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

This 100%. I don't understand why this is not discussed more. You could say Jaquez developed for free in college and now you have him on a rookie scale starting at 22 compared to a 19yo who you have to use the rookie scale to develop.

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[DBurks2818]

The Heat have revealed that Jaquez is just the fourth rookie player ever to connect on 55.5% field goal shooting from two-point land on over 200 field goal tries as well as 38.1% from long range on 50 or more attempts.

His 1.0 points scored per drive ranks tops among all rookies this year. His 261 fourth quarter minutes (and remember, he is currently a reserve) ranks most among all rookies. His 1.7 points scored per post-up is the most in the entire NBA for players who've had 25 or more post-ups.

His six games played with 15 or more points and 4.4 drive points per bout both rank third among all rookies, behind only Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama. His four rim looks per bout rank him fourth.

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[JRoy]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

This 100%. I don't understand why this is not discussed more. You could say Jaquez developed for free in college and now you have him on a rookie scale starting at 22 compared to a 19yo who you have to use the rookie scale to develop.

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Sounds like MIL shouldn’t have drafted that Giannis kid when they could have had drafted a college-proven Mason Plumlee.

No?

[iamoti]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

This 100%. I don't understand why this is not discussed more. You could say Jaquez developed for free in college and now you have him on a rookie scale starting at 22 compared to a 19yo who you have to use the rookie scale to develop.

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Sounds like MIL shouldn’t have drafted that Giannis kid when they could have had drafted a college-proven Mason Plumlee.

No?

Stupid argument. For every Giannis or even lesser players there are a lot of players who are out of the league by the time they reach 22yo. If Giannis was a sure thing he would've went nr.1 overall.

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[deepeeenn]

Then let me simplify it. I would much rather pay a guy a rookie contract starting from age 22 than starting from age 18 if I'm the GM of a team, the way the current CBA is structured.

Would more potential in the younger player change that calculus?

Only if they're good quickly. By the CBA you get a certain number of years with that player. It doesn't matter what their age is. I'd rather have a player from 22-29 than from 18-25. You're essentially paying to train them.

This really is such a bizarre argument. I might even know what you’re trying to imply but it really just doesn’t make much sense and is poorly framed and poses the idea that a player leaves after his 2nd contract.
The way you established goal posts: 22-29 vs 18-25 is inaccurate. Shae was 19 when drafted. Generally teams have player control for 8-9 years with 1st round picks (and can be much less for players signed as 2nd round picks or undrafted players but these two were 1st round picks, so that does pertain to them. They are likely to sign at least a 4-5year extension/2nd contract, which means they will be team controlled for 8-9 years. So you should really frame it as 22-30.5 vs 19-28.5.

And what this largely ignores is the players 3rd contract. Wherein which each player are in their theoretical prime could sign another 4-5 year big deal but one is 30.5 and the other 28.5. This is where the risk takes on a different look because most players start to decline into their mid 30s. Which means you might have a player 30.5 going on 35 that’s on a bloated contract whereas a 28.5yr old player going on 33.

But why try to make this argument in the first place? There are so many factors involved with player success throughout their careers. To put stake into this idea that you’d “much rather pay a guy a rookie contract starting from age 22 than starting from age 18” on that simple idea alone is pretty ludicrous.

[Rendei]

The other issue is the contract. Let's say that Sharpe is as good as Jaquez when he turns 22. Now he's up for a contract extension and will probably want the max like everyone else in his position without really knowing yet what you have. Then you either pay him or don't and cross your fingers either way. With Jaquez you still have his full rookie contract to figure it out.

This 100%. I don't understand why this is not discussed more. You could say Jaquez developed for free in college and now you have him on a rookie scale starting at 22 compared to a 19yo who you have to use the rookie scale to develop.

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Sounds like MIL shouldn’t have drafted that Giannis kid when they could have had drafted a college-proven Mason Plumlee.

No?

That's twisting the argument. I'd rather let Giannis develop at a good college program for 4 years and then start his rookie contract at 22. The Bucks are lucky that he chose to re-sign with Milwaukee so that it didn't matter much.

[deepeeenn]

This 100%. I don't understand why this is not discussed more. You could say Jaquez developed for free in college and now you have him on a rookie scale starting at 22 compared to a 19yo who you have to use the rookie scale to develop.

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Sounds like MIL shouldn’t have drafted that Giannis kid when they could have had drafted a college-proven Mason Plumlee.

No?

Stupid argument. For every Giannis or even lesser players there are a lot of players who are out of the league by the time they reach 22yo. If Giannis was a sure thing he would've went nr.1 overall.

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The point he’s trying to make is you can’t just make blanket statements like that and expect it be true. There is plenty of players that have been 18-19yrs old that have had star level careers and plenty of 22 yrs old that have great careers themselves. There are too many intangibles involved to speak in such simple ideas.

[Lockdown504090]

sharpe probably plays the least valuable position in the sport the way things work right now. not sure how many positions he can defend, not sure about the shooting. Finishing inside has been bad, but the team is bad so idk. I dont see how either of them are stars in a league where 25 guys average 25, and frontcourt roleplayers are probably more valuable unless shae becomes a lights out shooter.

[Vampirate]

Shaedon's potential is probably somewhere around Lavine/Booker.