Steve Nash really should have won multiple championships.

[SkyBill40]

Anyone winning multiple championships means someone else isn't winning. What champs should Nash's teams have been displacing?

Championships don't happen in a vacuum.

So OP, which years should he have won? How many championships exactly or is this just a vague throw it into the air. If you give us that, we can discuss something. There's usually reasons why teams that "should" win don't win.

He should have won with either of those teams. You telling me Nash/Joe/Marion/Amare shouldn't have won a championship?

The Lakers were the favorites before the season when they had Nash/Kobe/Pau/Dwight. They choked.

At what point do we hold the 2x MVP accountable?

It's like certain players can only get hate. Nash is no different than KD. Just because he's nice doesn't mean I should treat him any different than I do KD for his failed attempts at a championship with talented teams.

Basketball is a team sport and while he had a lot of talent alongside him, it just goes to show that winning a championship is HARD. Incredibly, actually. Hanging a championship on one player's head, MVP winner or not, is... stupid and incredibly shortsighted.

Come on, dude. Do better.

[ShootersShoot]

You telling me Nash/Joe/Marion/Amare shouldn't have won a championship?

That was only one year they were together. And Nash took those same three guys from a 29-win team the year before to a 62-win team. They lost in the playoffs to the eventual champion Spurs. You know who else lost to the Spurs in their first year together? The Lebron-led Heat. Those Spurs teams were good.

There are very few teams that win it all after being thrown together for one year. The 2008 Celtics and the 1983 Sixers are the only two teams to ever win it all the year they added the best player on their team in trade or free agency. It certainly shouldn't have been the expectation that the Suns would win that year based upon basketball history.

Yea, as if Joe Johnson didnt get injured and didnt even play in their series against the spurs the ONE year he played with nash before atlanta gave him that ridiculous contract. What an ignorant take by buzzin

[JustBuzzin]

You can't come into my threads and start unnecessary drama because I mentioned something in the past. The sad part is I don't even know you, but you seem to know everything I post. Grow up man. If you don't like my threads then just stop responding.

Oh, I can do that very much. At least as long as the moderators think that it's OK. As long as you ignore facts and other takes and make the same allegations multiple times, you'll have to live with users like me reacting. This is a discussion board, or isn't it? So let's finally discuss. Make arguments, and respect answers when people don't agree with you. Somehow you tend to disappear when others give facts or ask for reasoning, only to re-emerge a couple of posts later to make the same unproven claims. Take a look at the respective seasons and the injuries and say in what year Nash should have won. And another hint: Look at Nash's stats and say if he really didn't do enough.

Somehow it seems that you are not that comfortable with your own opinion that Nash did not deserve to be a two-time MVP? Or why do you demand that much confirmation over and over again?

You do realize I made this topic because he is a 2x MVP?

You do realize I view him in high regard which is why I am asking why didn't he win a championship despite playing on some great teams.

It seems you just have a problem with me holding Nash accountable. If you think he was great he should have a championship with the players he played with.

[JustBuzzin]

Anyone winning multiple championships means someone else isn't winning. What champs should Nash's teams have been displacing?

Championships don't happen in a vacuum.

So OP, which years should he have won? How many championships exactly or is this just a vague throw it into the air. If you give us that, we can discuss something. There's usually reasons why teams that "should" win don't win.

He should have won with either of those teams. You telling me Nash/Joe/Marion/Amare shouldn't have won a championship?

The Lakers were the favorites before the season when they had Nash/Kobe/Pau/Dwight. They choked.

At what point do we hold the 2x MVP accountable?

It's like certain players can only get hate. Nash is no different than KD. Just because he's nice doesn't mean I should treat him any different than I do KD for his failed attempts at a championship with talented teams.

Basketball is a team sport and while he had a lot of talent alongside him, it just goes to show that winning a championship is HARD. Incredibly, actually. Hanging a championship on one player's head, MVP winner or not, is... stupid and incredibly shortsighted.

Come on, dude. Do better.

Do we not hold all MVP's to the same standard?

[Masigond]

You do realize I made this topic because he is a 2x MVP?

You do realize I view him in high regard which is why I am asking why didn't he win a championship despite playing on some great teams.

It seems you just have a problem with me holding Nash accountable. If you think he was great he should have a championship with the players he played with.

Yes, I so do realize why you made this topic. I think everyone who has read your posts about Nash before already knows your opinion. As it's so basic that it seems ludicrous to assume someone could not realize your intention.

If you don't want to discuss circumstances why winning a regular season award can be justified despite the player then not leading his team to a championship, what purpose does this thread have? Read the answers and think about them. All you do is repeating the same claim over and over again. How long do you want to show your ignorance to all arguments? IMO you're making a fool out of yourself.

[Calvin Klein]

Just looking back at some of the teams he played for dude had Amare Stoudemire/Joe Johnson/Shawn Marion. That team should have won a championship.

He also had prime Dirk. Then he had Kobe/Pau/Dwight at the end of his career.


Why couldn't Steve Nash get over the hump with these talented teams?

you are talking like these teams were the 17 Warriors. They were good but not absolute favourites. JJ got injured in 05, Amare in 06 and then the suspensions in 07. Still doesn't guarantee a win though

[JustBuzzin]

Attention everyone Nash is a 2x MVP.

We hold our MVP's to a different standard. Y'all can slander and hold Embiid accountable with 1 MVP. Yet you don't keep that same energy for all MVPs.


All I see is excuses for Nash.

[Calvin Klein]

If Luka never makes a Finals, will you say he will be overrated too?

Unfortunately most people will because they can only discuss basketball in social media/barbershop style.

[tcheco]

You do realize I made this topic because he is a 2x MVP?

You do realize I view him in high regard which is why I am asking why didn't he win a championship despite playing on some great teams.

It seems you just have a problem with me holding Nash accountable. If you think he was great he should have a championship with the players he played with.

Yes, I so do realize why you made this topic. I think everyone who has read your posts about Nash before already knows your opinion. As it's so basic that it seems ludicrous to assume someone could not realize your intention.

If you don't want to discuss circumstances why winning a regular season award can be justified despite the player then not leading his team to a championship, what purpose does this thread have? Read the answers and think about them. All you do is repeating the same claim over and over again. How long do you want to show your ignorance to all arguments? IMO you're making a fool out of yourself.

No need to spend any energy on a kid just trying to rant a point of view that has zero ZERO value.

Yes Nash deserved his 2 MVPS, he elevated his teams to a incredible high during the regular season.

No he shouldn't have won a ring if he deserved the MVPS, he lost most of his playoffs games against a top5 all time Duncan and a top 10 all time Kobe, both which had an equally talented roster around them. It's not rocket science, but still OP makes it look like it.

Nash was great, he was not top10 all time great. Big deal

[One_and_Done]

Ran into better teams and had cheap/poor ownership. One of the most underrated players of all-time. Nobody ever talks about him as a top 15-20 player, but he is. Better than the likes of Kobe or Oscar for example.

[tcheco]

Attention everyone Nash is a 2x MVP.

We hold our MVP's to a different standard. Y'all can slander and hold Embiid accountable with 1 MVP. Yet you don't keep that same energy for all MVPs.


All I see is excuses for Nash.

Oh I see, you are just sad because someone called Embiid trash or something. cheer up buddy

[SkyBill40]

He should have won with either of those teams. You telling me Nash/Joe/Marion/Amare shouldn't have won a championship?

The Lakers were the favorites before the season when they had Nash/Kobe/Pau/Dwight. They choked.

At what point do we hold the 2x MVP accountable?

It's like certain players can only get hate. Nash is no different than KD. Just because he's nice doesn't mean I should treat him any different than I do KD for his failed attempts at a championship with talented teams.

Basketball is a team sport and while he had a lot of talent alongside him, it just goes to show that winning a championship is HARD. Incredibly, actually. Hanging a championship on one player's head, MVP winner or not, is... stupid and incredibly shortsighted.

Come on, dude. Do better.

Do we not hold all MVP's to the same standard?

"Standard" is a pretty vague rule set seeing there isn't any specific guidelines whatsoever. It's a hugely subjective measurement and your values may differ from mine or that if anyone else.

You're presenting a case of fallacy by false authority. Not to mention trying to argue based solely on subjectivity.

We all get it: You don't like Nash for any number of reasons. That's fine. But coming here and slandering a guy's individual accomplishments and value to a TEAM in a TEAM SPORT is pretty silly. His effect on the team was obvious and clearly they were outstanding with him and definitely worse without him.

Should he have won? Sure. Did he? No. Was that because Nash was a bad player? Obviously not.

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[swyftdahoe]

Tim Duncan

[JustBuzzin]

Basketball is a team sport and while he had a lot of talent alongside him, it just goes to show that winning a championship is HARD. Incredibly, actually. Hanging a championship on one player's head, MVP winner or not, is... stupid and incredibly shortsighted.

Come on, dude. Do better.

Do we not hold all MVP's to the same standard?

"Standard" is a pretty vague rule set seeing there isn't any specific guidelines whatsoever. It's a hugely subjective measurement and your values may differ from mine or that if anyone else.

You're presenting a case of fallacy by false authority. Not to mention trying to argue based solely on subjectivity.

We all get it: You don't like Nash for any number of reasons. That's fine. But coming here and slandering a guy's individual accomplishments and value to a TEAM in a TEAM SPORT is pretty silly. His effect on the team was obvious and clearly they were outstanding with him and definitely worse without him.

Should he have won? Sure. Did he? No. Was that because Nash was a bad player? Obviously not.

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I'm just curious how a 2x MVP didn't win a championship.


Charles Barkley gets hate all the time for not winning a championship. It's not his fault, but when you look at the teams Barkley played for you can see why he struggled to win a championship.

Nash on the other hand has played with other great players and had loaded rosters. I'm just curious as to why he came up short.

[Peregrine01]

Nash really should've won in 2007 but the ridiculous suspensions stole that from him. Keep in mind though that he was also regularly going up against a consensus top-10 guy in his prime (Duncan) before his window was effectively closed.

[Calvin Klein]

Troll thread.

[ChipotleWest]

If Luka never makes a Finals, will you say he will be overrated too?

This board would. They already try to murder him for not winning in his early 20's with an oft injured Porzingis and a bunch of JAGs.

[JustBuzzin]

Nash really should've won in 2007 but the ridiculous suspensions stole that from him. Keep in mind though that he was also regularly going up against a consensus top-10 guy in his prime (Duncan) before his window was effectively closed.

But there are other great players who won a championship in the Duncan era.

[Kingdibs19]

Attention everyone Nash is a 2x MVP.

We hold our MVP's to a different standard. Y'all can slander and hold Embiid accountable with 1 MVP. Yet you don't keep that same energy for all MVPs.


All I see is excuses for Nash.

Everyone comes out the woodworks to make excuses for every year of Nash’s seasons in the NBA. This board absolutely loves him. Some people here even calling him underrated, wild. A 2 time undeserved MVP that is a defensive sieve with 0 chips is “underrated”. Hilarious.

[jkvonny]

Nash really should've won in 2007 but the ridiculous suspensions stole that from him. Keep in mind though that he was also regularly going up against a consensus top-10 guy in his prime (Duncan) before his window was effectively closed.

Their (Suns) window stayed opened til 2010.