Is Jamal Murray the most overrated player in the league?

[Jamaaliver]

Wanna switch Murrays?

[SelfishPlayer]

He's a shot happy one dimensional scoring guard who's really good in the clutch. Jokic being an all time player makes him look like more than that sometimes, but that's what he is.

Murray is the perfect guard for a point center.

[HotRocks34]

He is highly overrated but I'm not sure if he's the most overrated in that he's never been an All Star, etc.

One of his biggest issues is that he's extremely immature. The world is learning that now but most Nuggets fans already knew it.

He doesn't keep himself in shape and he rarely plays strong for 4 quarters.

All told, he's a very weak #2 on a title level team. An erratic one-way player with low BBIQ.

[Special_Puppy]

He is highly overrated but I'm not sure if he's the most overrated in that he's never been an All Star, etc.

One of his biggest issues is that he's extremely immature. The world is learning that now but most Nuggets fans already knew it.

He doesn't keep himself in shape and he rarely plays strong for 4 quarters.

All told, he's a very weak #2 on a title level team. An erratic one-way player with low BBIQ.

Very weak is disrespectful, but there are easily 8+ number 2 players who are better than Murray and if you are ungenerous then you can say that its as high as 16 number 2s who are better than Murray accounting for availability and consistency.

[Alatan]

Player hurt playing on a bad knee - just buried two of the most cold blooded game winners in the history of the universe and he overrated ?

A champion too!

Man someone needs to never allow someone else to start a thread lol

People need to stop over rating hitting shots when the game is tied. If you miss nothing, the games goes into overtime and if you hit then its all flowers and praise. There is no pressure to those shots. Nothing clutch at all. Hell, the dude was the sole reason the Denver wasnt already winning those games.

People can be so short sighted sometimes.

[Handlez]

Averaged 26+ on great efficiency in two different long playoff runs.

For comparison sake, Pau averaged less than 20 every playoff run for the Lakers during their back to back to back finals runs.

You can't take that away from Murray.

[sp6r=underrated]

He is highly overrated but I'm not sure if he's the most overrated in that he's never been an All Star, etc.

One of his biggest issues is that he's extremely immature. The world is learning that now but most Nuggets fans already knew it.

He doesn't keep himself in shape and he rarely plays strong for 4 quarters.

All told, he's a very weak #2 on a title level team. An erratic one-way player with low BBIQ.

Very weak is disrespectful, but there are easily 8+ number 2 players who are better than Murray and if you are ungenerous then you can say that its as high as 16 number 2s who are better than Murray accounting for availability and consistency.

I'd say it is fair given that the caveat was for "title level team." When you look at title level teams this century (CF and beyond) he scores below average.

[Handlez]

He is a guy who frequently cycles between being overrated and underrated. He is what he is. He isn't tall enough or athletic enough to be a truly elite scorer, but he has good scoring instincts to be a 2nd option and get to his spots and shots in the right matchup. He is also streaky, so that contributes to those perception cycles.

Minnesota is just a tyrant defensively and Murray is probably a little bit hurt so things aren't going well.

26+ for two long playoff runs on great efficiency would suggest he's been an elite scorer, even if he isn't one now.

Can't take away his accomplishments.

He WAS an elite scorer.

[HotRocks34]

He is highly overrated but I'm not sure if he's the most overrated in that he's never been an All Star, etc.

One of his biggest issues is that he's extremely immature. The world is learning that now but most Nuggets fans already knew it.

He doesn't keep himself in shape and he rarely plays strong for 4 quarters.

All told, he's a very weak #2 on a title level team. An erratic one-way player with low BBIQ.

Very weak is disrespectful, but there are easily 8+ number 2 players who are better than Murray and if you are ungenerous then you can say that its as high as 16 number 2s who are better than Murray accounting for availability and consistency.

Go look at historical #2 players on title level teams and see where you think Mal ranks.

He's great when he's great, but many times he's not so great and even then there are real limits IMO.

[JRoy]

Isn’t he still injured?

[Wingy]

I mean if people are putting him above Maxey, Brunson etc yeah.

But he’s still a fairly good player and someone I’d want closing a pressure playoff game.

What significant qty of people are saying that other than the OP making a statement though?

[swyftdahoe]

He's like a really poor man's Kobe. Never been an all-star so not sure if he's overrated. But probably gets too much credit just because he's been clutch at times.

[sp6r=underrated]

He is highly overrated but I'm not sure if he's the most overrated in that he's never been an All Star, etc.

One of his biggest issues is that he's extremely immature. The world is learning that now but most Nuggets fans already knew it.

He doesn't keep himself in shape and he rarely plays strong for 4 quarters.

All told, he's a very weak #2 on a title level team. An erratic one-way player with low BBIQ.

Very weak is disrespectful, but there are easily 8+ number 2 players who are better than Murray and if you are ungenerous then you can say that its as high as 16 number 2s who are better than Murray accounting for availability and consistency.

Go look at historical #2 players on title level teams and see where you think Mal ranks.

He's great when he's great, but many times he's not so great and even then there are real limits IMO.

The analogy that comes to mind for me is those years when Terry was Dirk's number 2. Terry would have moments where he was spectacular and the he would give you a series like this one:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2009-nba-western-conference-semifinals-mavericks-vs-nuggets.html

[jordanwilliams6]

So overrated that he typically rises his game in the playoffs and has won a championship.

A poor playoff series doesn’t change what he’s already done. NBA fans are full of tall poppy syndrome. They enjoy watching successful players and teams be brought down.

[lessthanjake]

I don’t think he’s overrated, since he’s actually never made an all-star game or all-NBA team. He’s pretty properly rated. He’s a borderline-but-not-quite all star guy who has had serious injury issues but also some great playoff moments.

[Lalouie]

i will venture to explain.

IN AND DURING PARITY there is a lack of excellence, not(as some people think) an across the board raise in quality. so there is no gsw, no kobe/shaq, no spurs. even at the "never quite made it" level there is no westbrook/kd okc.

so what you get is an over exhuberance of reactions. we're going to see a ton of starry eyed reaction to just good but not great players

there's already four different ring teams in the 2020's. there's going to be six more

but who knows,,,when wemby is peaking he'll take the nba into the 2030's and we'll get to see another dynasty

[HotRocks34]

Isn’t he still injured?

Yes

[mademan]

I saw ESPN rate him as the best robin in the playoffs. Dude isnt even the best robin in his conference still playing and he's probably the worst (Kyrie, Jdub and Towns).

So ya, overrated.

[CobraCommander]

Player hurt playing on a bad knee - just buried two of the most cold blooded game winners in the history of the universe and he overrated ?

A champion too!

Man someone needs to never allow someone else to start a thread lol

People need to stop over rating hitting shots when the game is tied. If you miss nothing, the games goes into overtime and if you hit then its all flowers and praise. There is no pressure to those shots. Nothing clutch at all. Hell, the dude was the sole reason the Denver wasnt already winning those games.

People can be so short sighted sometimes.

You have never played ball right?
No disrespect- it’s just obvious-

If someone plays ball they get this -

It’s not about the difficulty of the shot, or free throw or field goal - it’s about executing everything properly in the moment that decides the game.

The pressure is higher if you are down one - but that doesn’t change that taking and making that shot is special - especially in the playoffs.

Situation matters of course but he delivered in the clutch -

Once to win a game and another to win a series -

[Alatan]

Player hurt playing on a bad knee - just buried two of the most cold blooded game winners in the history of the universe and he overrated ?

A champion too!

Man someone needs to never allow someone else to start a thread lol

People need to stop over rating hitting shots when the game is tied. If you miss nothing, the games goes into overtime and if you hit then its all flowers and praise. There is no pressure to those shots. Nothing clutch at all. Hell, the dude was the sole reason the Denver wasnt already winning those games.

People can be so short sighted sometimes.

You have never played ball right?
No disrespect- it’s just obvious-

If someone plays ball they get this -

It’s not about the difficulty of the shot, or free throw or field goal - it’s about executing everything properly in the moment that decides the game.

The pressure is higher if you are down one - but that doesn’t change that taking and making that shot is special - especially in the playoffs.

Situation matters of course but he delivered in the clutch -

Once to win a game and another to win a series -

bull.