Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie?

[zshawn10]

Here we go with the revisionist history.

Now that Dallas got the mature version of kyrie, let’s make an irrelevant point to bring another team down. Kyrie was going to sign with Dallas or go be with lebron; he was never coming here. The Houston thing was just from McMahon:

"I'm just saying, don't rule that one out, either," ESPN's Tim McMahon said on The Lowe Post podcast about the possibility of Irving signing in Houston as a free agent.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Terrible team-building on Houston's part.

Terrible and pointless thread tbh

Op doesn’t understand that Kyrie in Houston would’ve be unhappy moody Kyrie , first round exit at best Kyrie

It work out on Mavs great , good for him and the Mavs , anywhere else other than Mavs or Lakers ( his preferred destination) would be a disaster

Mods lock this joke of a thread

[TwitterFingers]

I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.

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I don’t think that’s an example of ineptitude. FFV was considered the safer play at the time.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Terrible team-building on Houston's part.

Terrible thread starting on your part. Just terrible. If you don’t know the answer to your own questions then I question your knowledge of the league.

There is a reason, at the time, Kyrie did not get a max contract or max years, don’t you think? And very limited teams were interested in giving up much of anything for him.

[SweetTouch]

Top 5 dumbest threads I’ve read in this mf

[chuck_wagon44]

In hindsight, it was a huge blunder of a move. That's my point.

You basically paid a poor man's Kyle Lowry and signed him to more years and guaranteed money than Kyrie.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Kyrie and Van Vleet don't even play the same position lol

[Jadoogar]

Culture. The Kyrie we see right now is not the Kyrie we saw in Brooklyn. He's been very well behaved.
And FVV did actually improve the Rockets significantly, people forget that they were among the worst teams in the league last year.

[Moahst]

In hindsight, it was a huge blunder of a move. That's my point.

You basically paid a poor man's Kyle Lowry and signed him to more years and guaranteed money than Kyrie.

You made too many assumptions, as has already been pointed out. We don't know that the Rockets didn't try to sign Kyrie, we don't know that Kyrie would have wanted to go to Houston for any amount of money (not a contender), and it wasn't a blunder of a move if the goal was to help grow the team. Also I couldn't imagine a better guy to spend money on during a rebuild under a defense first coach than a sub 30 year old Kyle Lowry type.

[sp6r=underrated]

I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.

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This isn't a mystery.

Kyrie behaved like an ass from 2018 to 2023. This includes trade demands, injuries, refusing to comply with municipal laws, offending fanbases with bigoted rhetoric. The analytic data says he is a very good but not great player turning 30.

Only desperate teams will be interested in you if you behave like an ass for half a decade and are on the wrong side of 30. That was Kyrie's fate. He's been on good behavior this year but he still missed a 1/3 of the season so the injury risk is quite real. Teams avoiding Kyrie was sensible. It isn't a coincidence that the only teams interested in his services were fairly desperate.

[Apz]

Kyrie really ended up in the perfect situation for him. Knew Nico from Nike. Coach is Kidd that was his idol as player and is, whatever we sometimes think about his coaching, a players coach that all players seems to love. The rest of the coaching staff is amazing. The whole organization is like a small town family but in a big market. Heck, kyrie even have a different handshake with everyone from the play by play guy down to the one doing the laundry. And dont underestimate Luka being the no1. Luka never said a bad thing about a teammate. If they lose he is always blaming himself and think he should have done more even if he scored 50. Kyrie is basicly a no2 with zero pressure which seems to relax him, but still get the credit every time mavs win cause luka never take the glory in wins, just the blame in losses.
And the mavs organization is very strict with media. If media doesnt behave they just get banned. Its night and day compared to NY and boston where every idiot seems to be allowed to ask whatever they want. And the guy loves basketball, he is there to play basketball, not discuss personal stuff, and u can see him actually shine. When he is out doing those basketball days with kids, whatever they do. And they seem to have gelled really good in the team, always hanging out at the freetime doung stuff.

Houston wouldnt been the same. It was, frim the outside, an organization in disarray. Not where u want to throw kyrie into after the nets debacle. He would have been back to boston being the no1 in a young lockerroom. While i thought houston overpayed at the time, fred fits perfect there and have changed the culture. I think both got the best option for them and i fo think houston can be a threat in a few seasons. But organizations cant panic in the west the coming years. It will be even more of a bloodbath then this year. Most likely 3 teams with good playoff potential will miss the playin. An injury can take a team expected in top 3 out of the playin. It will be tough for gms and owners to not overreact

[Shock Defeat]

Coming off of last year, Kyrie was seen as toxic and the Mavs just missed the whole Play-in tournament in the west. He had no real value

[zshawn10]

In hindsight, it was a huge blunder of a move. That's my point.

You basically paid a poor man's Kyle Lowry and signed him to more years and guaranteed money than Kyrie.

“Huge blunder”

You don’t think giving a contract of that magnitude after what kyrie did in Brooklyn to go to a terrible Houston team was not going to get clowned on?

[doogie_hauser]

The Lakers were the only other team interested in Kyrie at the time.

Pelinka arrogantly thought he could get Kyrie diet cheap from The Nets for a couple scrubs.

Dallas at least gave up a couple of future first round picks and pick swaps in their deal.

[Black Jack]

Van Fleet is still solid, get over it.

[DelAbbot]

Fred VanVleet's leadership is top tier propaganda

[kwajo]

I think people may also be forgetting FVV has won a title as a role player and basically transformed himself from a second round pick into an average NBA starting PG. This is the guy you want mentoring your draft picks. He's not just a good culture fit, he's an elite culture fit.

Undrafted actually, which is even more impressive.

[jbk1234]

Trust. Kyrie was flaking out three years running and he hurt his team. No one trusted him. Also, Luka is basically the PG for Dallas. There's no reason to think that Kyrie and Green sharing a backcourt would've worked out.

[Frankie]

Fred VanVleet's leadership is top tier propaganda

For Houston it's not. He was brilliant last season and exactly what the team needed.

[Frankie]

Awful thread. Trash take.