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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#41 » by playoffs » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:43 pm

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10DayContract wrote:My 2nd favorite player in that series after Curry was GP2. Every time he was on the floor he controlled the game.
Yet they waived him following their last championship just to save enough money to offer Poole his near max pay day. Talk about loyalty Lol

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/gary-payton-ii-golden-state-warriors-nba-basketball

No, they didn't. He signed a 3-year contract with Portland because they could pay him more than GS. GS waived him BEFORE the championship season but re-signed him once he cleared waivers. And obviously they traded back for him a few months after he signed with Portland.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#42 » by playoffs » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:44 pm

Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.

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Crazy that Pau didn't make the list.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#43 » by EmpireFalls » Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:13 am

shi-woo wrote:Love Curry, his legacy, and what he did that year (well, outside of the obvious), but there are some bad takes in this thread.

That Warriors team was only the Covid years removed from being a dynasty. It's not like this was some different team. They were still good, had the #1 ranked DRtg, and an offense better than the 17th they were given.

That team was absolutely stacked, and was not the weakest supporting cast. They went 12 deep, and had a Top 5 player on it. They won 53 games with Klay missing 50 games, Curry 18, and Drey 36...That was a 60+ win team if even marginally more healthy.

Not only did they have their big 3 still playing at an high level, but they surrounded them with the best bench guard in the game, former #1 pick wing having the best season of his life making the ASG, 3 solid veterans in GP2 Looney and OPJ. They still had a slew of role players including Kuminga and Moody :lol:

That title was not a carry job, and that team was absolutely stacked similar to the 2019 Raptors.

That team was far superior to the 2015 Warriors, it just wasn't as obvious because of the injuries, people thinking Klay fell off a cliff even though he was still giving you elite offense, and everyones distrust and hatred toward Wiggins and Poole.

Boston had no shot beating a veteran team that juiced to the gills with high impact players. It was crazy seeing Steph get #4 and cement his legacy, but that was a legit TEAM, very similar to the Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs teams that kept winning it.

Not many teams can say they had 4 AS level players, a 6MotY level player, 3 veteran role players, and 2 recent lottery picks on their team.

People just ascribe everything to the superstar, it’s sad
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#44 » by donkeylips » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:47 am

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Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.

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Crazy that Pau didn't make the list.


manu as well.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#45 » by Special_Puppy » Mon Jun 24, 2024 4:58 am

Stan wrote:That was probably the weakest title supporting cast since the 2011 Mavs, and I honestly think that would make for a reasonable debate if you look at where guys like Klay & Dray were by 2022, not their body of work.

They did have a pretty weak run though, Boston was good but they faced the Nuggets without Murray & Porter, Ja missed the last 3 games of their series, and the Mavs overachieved and weren't really anything to write home about.


It wasn’t a carry job at all. Curry had a pretty great supporting cast in 2022. He just didn’t have a clear secondary star and it was entirely concentrated on defense
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#46 » by WarriorGM » Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:42 am

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shi-woo wrote:Love Curry, his legacy, and what he did that year (well, outside of the obvious), but there are some bad takes in this thread.

That Warriors team was only the Covid years removed from being a dynasty. It's not like this was some different team. They were still good, had the #1 ranked DRtg, and an offense better than the 17th they were given.

That team was absolutely stacked, and was not the weakest supporting cast. They went 12 deep, and had a Top 5 player on it. They won 53 games with Klay missing 50 games, Curry 18, and Drey 36...That was a 60+ win team if even marginally more healthy.

Not only did they have their big 3 still playing at an high level, but they surrounded them with the best bench guard in the game, former #1 pick wing having the best season of his life making the ASG, 3 solid veterans in GP2 Looney and OPJ. They still had a slew of role players including Kuminga and Moody :lol:

That title was not a carry job, and that team was absolutely stacked similar to the 2019 Raptors.

That team was far superior to the 2015 Warriors, it just wasn't as obvious because of the injuries, people thinking Klay fell off a cliff even though he was still giving you elite offense, and everyones distrust and hatred toward Wiggins and Poole.

Boston had no shot beating a veteran team that juiced to the gills with high impact players. It was crazy seeing Steph get #4 and cement his legacy, but that was a legit TEAM, very similar to the Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs teams that kept winning it.

Not many teams can say they had 4 AS level players, a 6MotY level player, 3 veteran role players, and 2 recent lottery picks on their team.

People just ascribe everything to the superstar, it’s sad


People do tend to ascribe everything to the superstar but among superstars Curry for some reason seems to get less ascribed to him and more to his team than others when he has been the greatest common factor behind some transcendent achievements. When the Warriors broke out in 2013 David Lee got an All-NBA nod not Curry. When the Warriors won in 2015 Iguodala was selected as the FMVP to highlight the democratic nature of that team. In 2016 the story was told that Draymond Green is actually an exceptional player who contributes just as much to the Warriors success and Game 6 Klay is the reason the Dubs advanced to the finals. 2017 to 2019 KD was supposedly the best player on the team according to the BSPN narrative. Now we're getting the 2022 Warriors were actually a very strong and deep team.


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Stan wrote:That was probably the weakest title supporting cast since the 2011 Mavs, and I honestly think that would make for a reasonable debate if you look at where guys like Klay & Dray were by 2022, not their body of work.

They did have a pretty weak run though, Boston was good but they faced the Nuggets without Murray & Porter, Ja missed the last 3 games of their series, and the Mavs overachieved and weren't really anything to write home about.


It wasn’t a carry job at all. Curry had a pretty great supporting cast in 2022. He just didn’t have a clear secondary star and it was entirely concentrated on defense


In late 2021 after being relieved of the ballasts that were Wiseman and Oubre, Curry led the Warriors on a 15-5 run (60-win pace) towards the end of the season. This was with the likes of Kent Bazemore, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Mychal Mulder getting 20+ minutes a game. What were the major changes for the next year? Getting OPJ and Bjelica in free agency? If only every other team in NBA history could win with that.
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Post#47 » by warriorschamps » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:49 am

All four of Curry chips were insanely good. Why? Because he is that good. End of story.

H*ll his non chip 2016 season was that good as well.
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Post#48 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:25 pm

rand wrote:Curry was so good in the Finals that everyone forgot how pedestrian (by his standard) he was in the West bracket. The rest of the team really pulled the sled to the Finals and then Curry pushed it over the line. Dray and Klay were very good in the West but then faltered in the Finals but GP2, OPJ and Looney brought up the slack.


He scored 23.4 with like 6 rebounds and 7 assists a game while shooting 44% from 3's against the mavs. Not sure I see that as pedestrian, a bit lower scoring but he made up with assists. He shot well and averaged 28 in the first round. Memphis he did shoot poorly but he still was like 26 a game.
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Post#49 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:33 pm

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Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.


Crazy that Pau didn't make the list.


When you have like 15 guys from the top 50 who shouldn't still be in the top 75. You have guys like Pau and Manu being left off who are clearly top 75 players.
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Post#50 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:38 pm

Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.



It would be a cool accomplishment if the top 75 list was good.
But it's not a good list. Manu, Draymond, Gasol are all easily top 75 players of all-time. Parker probably too. Klay and Odom have arguments.

I don't think there's really such thing as a "carry job". Fans love the idea of it so we do mental gymnastics to funnel the credit to our favorite players, often diminishing their teammates in the process. In reality, every team that's ever won a championship has had a LOT going on, roster wise. It's not always raw offensive star power. It's often defense and versatility when one star is getting all the credit. 2011 Mavs are a great example. Dirk gets all the credit, but there was incredible defense that run played by Chandler, Marion, and Kidd, and perfect complimentary offensive contributions not always coming from the same place (Terry consistently, but then bursts from JJ and Peja). Iverson 2001 finals run (and Kidd in 2002-2003) was an elite defense disguised as a "carry job".

Fans love to pretend basketball is an individual sport. It's not. It never has been. The more we try to pretend it is, the less we understand the sport.
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Post#51 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:43 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
playoffs wrote:
Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.


Crazy that Pau didn't make the list.


When you have like 15 guys from the top 50 who shouldn't still be in the top 75. You have guys like Pau and Manu being left off who are clearly top 75 players.


I have Manu at 39, Draymond at 42, Gasol at 55, and Parker just missing it at 77.

Timmy, Kobe, and Curry all had incredible supporting casts for most of their careers, without even needing to bring up David Robinson, Shaq, and Kevin Durant.
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Post#52 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:52 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:
playoffs wrote:Crazy that Pau didn't make the list.


When you have like 15 guys from the top 50 who shouldn't still be in the top 75. You have guys like Pau and Manu being left off who are clearly top 75 players.


I have Manu at 39, Draymond at 42, Gasol at 55, and Parker just missing it at 77.

Timmy, Kobe, and Curry all had incredible supporting casts for most of their careers, without even needing to bring up David Robinson, Shaq, and Kevin Durant.


I didn't want to get people going with Dray, but this is all pretty reasonable and in the ball park of where I'd have them. Including Tony just outside the top 75. I might have Dray a spot or two back from you as I think his longevity is kinda poor given his shooting has dropped off so much.

Unrelated but Iggy really deserves a deeper dive on where he should rank. The 100-150 range is honestly maybe the most interesting area to debate but it's impossible to get enough people interested in breaking it down.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#53 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:02 pm

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cupcakesnake wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
When you have like 15 guys from the top 50 who shouldn't still be in the top 75. You have guys like Pau and Manu being left off who are clearly top 75 players.


I have Manu at 39, Draymond at 42, Gasol at 55, and Parker just missing it at 77.

Timmy, Kobe, and Curry all had incredible supporting casts for most of their careers, without even needing to bring up David Robinson, Shaq, and Kevin Durant.


I didn't want to get people going with Dray, but this is all pretty reasonable and in the ball park of where I'd have them. Including Tony just outside the top 75. I might have Dray a spot or two back from you as I think his longevity is kinda poor given his shooting has dropped off so much.

Unrelated but Iggy really deserves a deeper dive on where he should rank. The 100-150 range is honestly maybe the most interesting area to debate but it's impossible to get enough people interested in breaking it down.


With Draymond, I look at the defense as his primary source of value and reason he's high up on my list. The shooting part of his offense is a funny one, because he only had 1 good regular season (and 2 playoff runs) shooting the ball reasonably well, but the reputation lasted for years. He's shot under 27% from 3 in the playoffs since 2017. He does plenty of high IQ stuff on offense with his movement and playmaking, but as a scorer, I don't think he's even better than Ben Wallace. Total 0 with some minor blips.

Yeah Iggy is interesting. I find it gets pretty hard once you get your list past 100 and then look at hundreds of other players who have cases to be on your list. Every year a couple more guys hit a milestone where they've been in the league long enough and have gone on enough nice playoff runs that they join that club that Iggy is firmly in. Really hard to compare guys like Iguodala, Lamar Odom, Sam Cassell, now Jaylen Brown... with Chet Walker, Bob Davies, and Cliff Hagan.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#54 » by Special_Puppy » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:08 pm

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EmpireFalls wrote:
shi-woo wrote:Love Curry, his legacy, and what he did that year (well, outside of the obvious), but there are some bad takes in this thread.

That Warriors team was only the Covid years removed from being a dynasty. It's not like this was some different team. They were still good, had the #1 ranked DRtg, and an offense better than the 17th they were given.

That team was absolutely stacked, and was not the weakest supporting cast. They went 12 deep, and had a Top 5 player on it. They won 53 games with Klay missing 50 games, Curry 18, and Drey 36...That was a 60+ win team if even marginally more healthy.

Not only did they have their big 3 still playing at an high level, but they surrounded them with the best bench guard in the game, former #1 pick wing having the best season of his life making the ASG, 3 solid veterans in GP2 Looney and OPJ. They still had a slew of role players including Kuminga and Moody :lol:

That title was not a carry job, and that team was absolutely stacked similar to the 2019 Raptors.

That team was far superior to the 2015 Warriors, it just wasn't as obvious because of the injuries, people thinking Klay fell off a cliff even though he was still giving you elite offense, and everyones distrust and hatred toward Wiggins and Poole.

Boston had no shot beating a veteran team that juiced to the gills with high impact players. It was crazy seeing Steph get #4 and cement his legacy, but that was a legit TEAM, very similar to the Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs teams that kept winning it.

Not many teams can say they had 4 AS level players, a 6MotY level player, 3 veteran role players, and 2 recent lottery picks on their team.

People just ascribe everything to the superstar, it’s sad


People do tend to ascribe everything to the superstar but among superstars Curry for some reason seems to get less ascribed to him and more to his team than others when he has been the greatest common factor behind some transcendent achievements. When the Warriors broke out in 2013 David Lee got an All-NBA nod not Curry. When the Warriors won in 2015 Iguodala was selected as the FMVP to highlight the democratic nature of that team. In 2016 the story was told that Draymond Green is actually an exceptional player who contributes just as much to the Warriors success and Game 6 Klay is the reason the Dubs advanced to the finals. 2017 to 2019 KD was supposedly the best player on the team according to the BSPN narrative. Now we're getting the 2022 Warriors were actually a very strong and deep team.


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Stan wrote:That was probably the weakest title supporting cast since the 2011 Mavs, and I honestly think that would make for a reasonable debate if you look at where guys like Klay & Dray were by 2022, not their body of work.

They did have a pretty weak run though, Boston was good but they faced the Nuggets without Murray & Porter, Ja missed the last 3 games of their series, and the Mavs overachieved and weren't really anything to write home about.


It wasn’t a carry job at all. Curry had a pretty great supporting cast in 2022. He just didn’t have a clear secondary star and it was entirely concentrated on defense


In late 2021 after being relieved of the ballasts that were Wiseman and Oubre, Curry led the Warriors on a 15-5 run (60-win pace) towards the end of the season. This was with the likes of Kent Bazemore, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Mychal Mulder getting 20+ minutes a game. What were the major changes for the next year? Getting OPJ and Bjelica in free agency? If only every other team in NBA history could win with that.


Gary Payton 2 and Klay Thompson coming back from injuries coming back from injuries+adding Otto Porter Jr. were pretty big! Wiggins+Poole+Looney were also materially better players than they were in 2021
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#55 » by CzBoobie » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:19 pm

Yeah, Curry carrying the best defense in the NBA...They WON a Finals game with Curry shooting 0/9 threes and going for whopping 16 pts on 22 shots. Such a carry job.
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Post#56 » by KingofTheClay » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:19 pm

Man. Imagine if the Celtics could swap prime Paul Pierce in for Tatum…..like 2002 Pierce when he was 24.

By god, the Celtics would have the title in the bag. Someone that can match Curry every possession down the stretch or even out duel him? Pierce, with an elite second option like Brown and multiple elite utility players?

It’s a wrap. Celtics in 6.


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Post#57 » by Onus » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:48 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
rand wrote:Curry was so good in the Finals that everyone forgot how pedestrian (by his standard) he was in the West bracket. The rest of the team really pulled the sled to the Finals and then Curry pushed it over the line. Dray and Klay were very good in the West but then faltered in the Finals but GP2, OPJ and Looney brought up the slack.


He scored 23.4 with like 6 rebounds and 7 assists a game while shooting 44% from 3's against the mavs. Not sure I see that as pedestrian, a bit lower scoring but he made up with assists. He shot well and averaged 28 in the first round. Memphis he did shoot poorly but he still was like 26 a game.

Essentially the Mavs said anyone but Curry can beat us. This is why the Celtics said we're going to force Curry to beat us.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#58 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:02 pm

shi-woo wrote:Love Curry, his legacy, and what he did that year (well, outside of the obvious), but there are some bad takes in this thread.

That Warriors team was only the Covid years removed from being a dynasty. It's not like this was some different team. They were still good, had the #1 ranked DRtg, and an offense better than the 17th they were given.

That team was absolutely stacked, and was not the weakest supporting cast. They went 12 deep, and had a Top 5 player on it. They won 53 games with Klay missing 50 games, Curry 18, and Drey 36...That was a 60+ win team if even marginally more healthy.

Not only did they have their big 3 still playing at an high level, but they surrounded them with the best bench guard in the game, former #1 pick wing having the best season of his life making the ASG, 3 solid veterans in GP2 Looney and OPJ. They still had a slew of role players including Kuminga and Moody :lol:

That title was not a carry job, and that team was absolutely stacked similar to the 2019 Raptors.

That team was far superior to the 2015 Warriors, it just wasn't as obvious because of the injuries, people thinking Klay fell off a cliff even though he was still giving you elite offense, and everyones distrust and hatred toward Wiggins and Poole.

Boston had no shot beating a veteran team that juiced to the gills with high impact players. It was crazy seeing Steph get #4 and cement his legacy, but that was a legit TEAM, very similar to the Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs teams that kept winning it.

Not many teams can say they had 4 AS level players, a 6MotY level player, 3 veteran role players, and 2 recent lottery picks on their team.


Yeah I disagree with this.

The 2015 Warriors team was easily better than the 2022 team...the only difference was that Curry had made significant develops over that span, specifically in his ability to finish around the basket with contact. In 2015 Curry was a faster more agile player, but he was somebody that could get stifled with physical teams and had a lot more difficulty finishing around the basket. By 2022 Curry was a lethal finisher, way stronger, developed a better mid-range and floater game etc.

The 2015 Warriors roster had close to a prime Klay and Draymond who were better in 2015 compared to 2022. Barnes was a really good 3+D athletic player, Igoudala was still really damn good, Barbosa was a very good bench player, Livingston was one of the best back up PG's in the league, Bogut was a very good center, and you had other contributors like Speights and Ezeli.

In 2022 Klay was a diminished version of himself and Draymond was slightly worse. Wiggins was fantastic that playoffs but I would take Barnes and Igoudala over Wiggins any day of the week. Looney is okay but a clear downgrade to a guy like Bogut. The rest is pretty meh. Poole was a decent streaky inconsistent player, Igoudala could barely play by that point, Gary Payton Jr. benefitted from the spacing of Curry, and both Moody+Kuminga barely played in the playoffs, lol.

To put it bluntly, that 2015 Warriors team without Curry is still a 45 win team in my opinion while that 2022 team without Curry is a 25 win team.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#59 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:20 pm

CzBoobie wrote:Yeah, Curry carrying the best defense in the NBA...They WON a Finals game with Curry shooting 0/9 threes and going for whopping 16 pts on 22 shots. Such a carry job.


Such a bad take, this completely missed how the Celtics covered him that game and all the scoring the warriors got off of over playing Curry.
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Re: Steph Curry 2022 chip 

Post#60 » by NZB2323 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:21 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:
Fade_awayJ wrote:Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.



It would be a cool accomplishment if the top 75 list was good.
But it's not a good list. Manu, Draymond, Gasol are all easily top 75 players of all-time. Parker probably too. Klay and Odom have arguments.

I don't think there's really such thing as a "carry job". Fans love the idea of it so we do mental gymnastics to funnel the credit to our favorite players, often diminishing their teammates in the process. In reality, every team that's ever won a championship has had a LOT going on, roster wise. It's not always raw offensive star power. It's often defense and versatility when one star is getting all the credit. 2011 Mavs are a great example. Dirk gets all the credit, but there was incredible defense that run played by Chandler, Marion, and Kidd, and perfect complimentary offensive contributions not always coming from the same place (Terry consistently, but then bursts from JJ and Peja). Iverson 2001 finals run (and Kidd in 2002-2003) was an elite defense disguised as a "carry job".

Fans love to pretend basketball is an individual sport. It's not. It never has been. The more we try to pretend it is, the less we understand the sport.


Lamar Odom has no argument. 0x all-star, 0x all-NBA, 0x all-defensive teams.

You have players that didn’t make the top 75 list like Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Alex English,
Bernard King, and Artis Gilmore who are clearly better than Lamar Odom.

Then if you made the list today you’d have players like Jokic, Luka, Butler, Booker, Brown, Holiday, and Tatum on the list ahead of Odom.

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