Evan Mobley signs 5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs

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Re: Evan Mobley signs5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs 

Post#41 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:28 pm

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iLLmatic860 wrote:its clear they need to move Garland


It's not so clear to me. He's our floor general and an all-star caliber player. Dan Gilbert is one of the richest owners, I don't think he'll mind paying the tax for a couple years.
Tax isn't the issue; that's nothing. It's the fact that the cavs are now in the 2nd Apron once the ext kicks in. You're locked into that team with VERY minimal avenues to tweak it and Garland is probably the biggest trade piece you have.

We'll see how Kenny does.


LeVert is on an expiring deal, the Cavs are unlikely to hit the first apron next season, and after next season, the cap will be rising by more than the raises in these contracts.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#42 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:34 pm

MrBigShot wrote:He had a strong season. He hasn't broken out yet but it's a no brainer.


I do wonder if his usage started to mimic / track Chris Bosh how he'd look in comparison.

Almost his "bad luck" that he's stuck on a team with a few talented people.
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Post#43 » by zaymon » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:44 pm

He made some plays vs Orlando. Very dependant on guard play, liked his chemistry with Garland not so much Mitchell. Looked scared to shoot 3s which limits his impact. Not a leader but seems coachable. Still not sure he is a 4 or 5, propably depends on matchup. Playing him next to bulky 4 who can shoot seems like best idea, unless he ssrts to shoot with confidence.
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Post#44 » by iLLmatic860 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:55 pm

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iLLmatic860 wrote:its clear they need to move Garland


It's not so clear to me. He's our floor general and an all-star caliber player. Dan Gilbert is one of the richest owners, I don't think he'll mind paying the tax for a couple years.
Tax isn't the issue; that's nothing. It's the fact that the cavs are now in the 2nd Apron once the ext kicks in. You're locked into that team with VERY minimal avenues to tweak it and Garland is probably the biggest trade piece you have.

We'll see how Kenny does.

yeah that's my thinking..they obviously are still a playoff team. I don't think anybody is questioning that. I just feel as if they are a team with limited moves to make so I feel that they should sell high while they still can. But their last coach was sooo bad, it might be reasonable to give Kenny a legit shot to see what he can work out of this roster before making a splash. Can always make a move at the deadline
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Post#45 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:07 pm

Good deal all around. For the team and him. I think a side affect of this CBA is more extensions. Is that really happening or just my perception.
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Post#46 » by wegotthabeet » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:51 pm

As expected. Should really be playing the 5 though to unlock his potential.
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Post#47 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:56 pm

His playoff series against us really soured my opinion of him. He just seemed soft, and still looked soft against the Magic.
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Post#48 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:58 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Good deal all around. For the team and him. I think a side affect of this CBA is more extensions. Is that really happening or just my perception.

For sure, the CBA and also with the way they're smoothing the cap with the new TV deal everyone basically knows what the cap is going to be 4 years from now.
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Post#49 » by srhcan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:07 pm

JJ_PR wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:its clear they need to move Garland


It's not so clear to me. He's our floor general and an all-star caliber player. Dan Gilbert is one of the richest owners, I don't think he'll mind paying the tax for a couple years.

He does not work great with Mitchell. Mitchell is lot more superior talent so you keep him and trade the one who is having issues.
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Post#50 » by mcfly1204 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:10 pm

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JJ_PR wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:its clear they need to move Garland


It's not so clear to me. He's our floor general and an all-star caliber player. Dan Gilbert is one of the richest owners, I don't think he'll mind paying the tax for a couple years.

He does not work great with Mitchell. Mitchell is lot more superior talent so you keep him and trade the one who is having issues.

He worked pretty well with Mitchell their first season together.
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Post#51 » by Airmiess » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:14 pm

It feels like every high end role player is getting 200 mil when the team is not a winner.
I just keep thinking about Lakers not wanting to pay Shaq after 4 straight finals and a 3 peat lol.
Different times..
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Post#52 » by srhcan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:17 pm

zshawn10 wrote:Him and Wagner I don’t agree with giving the max(and yes I would say this if Jalen green got it too)

Mobley’s pretty great defensively but I just don’t now about his offense

League thinks Barnes, Wagner, Cade and Mobley are same level players so they all got max. We will see if this turns out to be true.

But the funny thing is that the 2nd best player so far from that draft class, Sengun, has not got max yet. :o
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Post#53 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:27 pm

Evan has often been the 4th option in an offense featuring another big with a similar skill set which isn't to say he deserves the max; just that his offensive numbers aren't inflated just because he's a top pick and his team has built around him.

We saw the Cavs with little choice but to lean on him .vs. the Celtics due to their injuries and we saw him able to take advantage of Horford and Kornet. I don't take much away from that other than that most other top bigs get those opportunities to exploit mismatches like that and pad their stats on a regular basis.
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Re: Evan Mobley signs 5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs 

Post#54 » by eyriq » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:36 pm

What does a decision tree for extending a max contract look like? I'm genuinely curious about what the thought process is and what they're ticking off in making these kinds of decisions.
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Re: Evan Mobley signs5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs 

Post#55 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:41 pm

srhcan wrote:
zshawn10 wrote:Him and Wagner I don’t agree with giving the max(and yes I would say this if Jalen green got it too)

Mobley’s pretty great defensively but I just don’t now about his offense

League thinks Barnes, Wagner, Cade and Mobley are same level players so they all got max. We will see if this turns out to be true.

But the funny thing is that the 2nd best player so far from that draft class, Sengun, has not got max yet. :o


We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.
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Post#56 » by eyriq » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:44 pm

My stab at a decision tree.

Decision Tree for Offering a Rookie Max Extension

1. Evaluate Player Performance and Potential
- Assess player's statistics and game impact
- Review accolades such as All-Star appearances, awards, etc.
- Project growth trajectory

2. Assess Health and Durability
- Review player's injury history
- Evaluate player's physical condition and durability

3. Consider Team Fit and Needs
- Determine player's compatibility with team's core
- Assess player's role in the team's strategy
- Evaluate the importance of the player to the team's future plans

4. Analyze Market Value and Comparisons
- Compare with similar players' contracts
- Examine current market trends
- Project future salary cap increases

5. Evaluate Financial Implications
- Analyze impact on team’s salary cap
- Consider potential luxury tax penalties
- Fit of the contract into long-term financial strategy

6. Determine Contract Structure
- Decide on potential incentives and options
- Consider performance-based incentives
- Evaluate trade kickers and other clauses

7. Conduct Risk Assessment
- Assess worst-case scenarios (e.g., player not developing as expected)
- Consider significant injury risks

8. Seek Ownership and Stakeholder Approval
- Present the decision to team ownership
- Align with key stakeholders on the investment
- Ensure all parties agree on the implications for the team’s future

Decision:
- Offer Rookie Max Extension
- Do Not Offer Rookie Max Extension
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Post#57 » by basketballRob » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:53 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Oh, lord. Every max extension thread this season has become a Barnes is better thread.

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Says the guy who has literally derailed threads doing this exact thing.
You guys troll every thread with who's the best. Can you just let fan bases enjoy their player? Just make a separate thread asking who's better.

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Post#58 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:59 pm

eyriq wrote:My stab at a decision tree.

Decision Tree for Offering a Rookie Max Extension

1. Evaluate Player Performance and Potential
- Assess player's statistics and game impact
- Review accolades such as All-Star appearances, awards, etc.
- Project growth trajectory

2. Assess Health and Durability
- Review player's injury history
- Evaluate player's physical condition and durability

3. Consider Team Fit and Needs
- Determine player's compatibility with team's core
- Assess player's role in the team's strategy
- Evaluate the importance of the player to the team's future plans

4. Analyze Market Value and Comparisons
- Compare with similar players' contracts
- Examine current market trends
- Project future salary cap increases

5. Evaluate Financial Implications
- Analyze impact on team’s salary cap
- Consider potential luxury tax penalties
- Fit of the contract into long-term financial strategy

6. Determine Contract Structure
- Decide on potential incentives and options
- Consider performance-based incentives
- Evaluate trade kickers and other clauses

7. Conduct Risk Assessment
- Assess worst-case scenarios (e.g., player not developing as expected)
- Consider significant injury risks

8. Seek Ownership and Stakeholder Approval
- Present the decision to team ownership
- Align with key stakeholders on the investment
- Ensure all parties agree on the implications for the team’s future

Decision:
- Offer Rookie Max Extension
- Do Not Offer Rookie Max Extension


My stab:

1) Consider what the player might bring your franchise if he continues to improve.
2) Consider the risk of what you might lose if you piss him and his agent off.
3) Consider what you can trade him for if you max him and then decide to move him.

Decision:
- Not much of one.
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Post#59 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:02 pm

Airmiess wrote:It feels like every high end role player is getting 200 mil when the team is not a winner.
I just keep thinking about Lakers not wanting to pay Shaq after 4 straight finals and a 3 peat lol.
Different times..

I remember people freaking out about Klay getting 4/70 in 2014. Guys are gonna be making that in a single season soon.
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Re: Evan Mobley signs 5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs 

Post#60 » by basketballRob » Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:02 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
eyriq wrote:My stab at a decision tree.

Decision Tree for Offering a Rookie Max Extension

1. Evaluate Player Performance and Potential
- Assess player's statistics and game impact
- Review accolades such as All-Star appearances, awards, etc.
- Project growth trajectory

2. Assess Health and Durability
- Review player's injury history
- Evaluate player's physical condition and durability

3. Consider Team Fit and Needs
- Determine player's compatibility with team's core
- Assess player's role in the team's strategy
- Evaluate the importance of the player to the team's future plans

4. Analyze Market Value and Comparisons
- Compare with similar players' contracts
- Examine current market trends
- Project future salary cap increases

5. Evaluate Financial Implications
- Analyze impact on team’s salary cap
- Consider potential luxury tax penalties
- Fit of the contract into long-term financial strategy

6. Determine Contract Structure
- Decide on potential incentives and options
- Consider performance-based incentives
- Evaluate trade kickers and other clauses

7. Conduct Risk Assessment
- Assess worst-case scenarios (e.g., player not developing as expected)
- Consider significant injury risks

8. Seek Ownership and Stakeholder Approval
- Present the decision to team ownership
- Align with key stakeholders on the investment
- Ensure all parties agree on the implications for the team’s future

Decision:
- Offer Rookie Max Extension
- Do Not Offer Rookie Max Extension


My stab:

1) Consider what the player might bring your franchise if he continues to improve.
2) Consider the risk of what you might lose if you piss him and his agent off.
3) Consider what you can trade him for if you max him and then decide to move him.

Decision:
- Not much of one.
If he was a free agent next season, other teams would've lined up to offer him the max. After watching him against Orlando in the playoffs, I think his best position is center.

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