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LuDux1 wrote:Europeans while talking to Europeans: "Euroleague is terrible, referees are terrible, games last 3 hours, no local players.. everything'd terrible"
Europeans while talking to Americans: "Euroleague rules NBA drools"
CumberlandPosey wrote:european ball is already cannibalizing itself with four international leagues plus league and cup so another league backed by real money is a thousand times better than what is going on now.
you also grossly overestimate fans.thats ball and not football where you have organized support/ultra scene and a bit of a pull against the system.bball is all about money and panathinaikos singing "horto magiko".thats it.a shell.
ask yourself why the nba is succesful and euroleague not.
would i prefer nba staying out of european system.yes but if your intention is to make money then the best time is now and thats what the owners will do.
UcanUwill wrote:CumberlandPosey wrote:european ball is already cannibalizing itself with four international leagues plus league and cup so another league backed by real money is a thousand times better than what is going on now.
you also grossly overestimate fans.thats ball and not football where you have organized support/ultra scene and a bit of a pull against the system.bball is all about money and panathinaikos singing "horto magiko".thats it.a shell.
ask yourself why the nba is succesful and euroleague not.
would i prefer nba staying out of european system.yes but if your intention is to make money then the best time is now and thats what the owners will do.
I mean main reason why Euroleague is not very successful is that sadly, Basketball is still a niche sport all things considered. European Market mainly cares for one sport, and its ain't basketball. Basketball is closer to Handball and Rugby than it is to Football, and these sports never had much money in it, at least in Europe they don't.
During last Basketball World cup, they were still in a shadow of Cricket World cup that was going on at the same time, and the country that won basketball world cup, barely had national coverage in their country. It is sad truth, we International basketball fans are still niche.
Hellcrooner wrote:Good luck convincing the European Union about thigns like Draft, Maximum salary, Cap space, Forcful trade of workers to other destinations etc etc etc.
Your politicians may turn a blind eye to the nba acting as a mob, being sorta comunist, going against freedom of market, violating antitrust laws etc.
EU WILl NOT-
LuDux1 wrote:Europeans while talking to Europeans: "Euroleague is terrible, referees are terrible, games last 3 hours, no local players.. everything'd terrible"
Europeans while talking to Americans: "Euroleague rules NBA drools"
UcanUwill wrote:Big J wrote:Sofia wrote:Doesn’t matter if **** ain’t right at home, just gotta keep fighting for a bigger slice of pie
Celtics just sold for $6 billion. That tells them that **** is right at home.
They just announced that they pricing this EURO NBA franchice at 500 million. Sorry, but no one will spend 500 million on that, I don't care you have NBA IP, this league will not be that successful. They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making.
UcanUwill wrote:They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making
samwana wrote:The game would profit so much if it was the other way around, except for the 3 point line distance.Lalouie wrote:it's a long term scheme to get euro ball to change THEIR rules to the USAway
LuDux1 wrote:UcanUwill wrote:They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making
If only they were wide-eyed idealists like EL with non-Motiejunas London project and Dubai team
UcanUwill wrote:LuDux1 wrote:Speaking of ecosystems, here's idea that will make one third of Lithuania retch: Silver organizes Zoom with Vilnius mayor, Rytas' CEO and Wolves' owner and says: "join forces and you will have a permanent place in our league."
Teams like Rytas and Wolves just feels like WAY too small a fish for the NBA, they are targeting biggest European markets and biggest Football brands. But thing is, even tho Rytas and especially Wolves are pretty irrelevant teams, but at least they have fanbase and market that cares for Basketball, I think those teams would actually make more sense. I think things like Manchester CIty and PSG just sounds like collosal flop waiting to happen, but Man City and PSG are HUGE brands, globally more popular than NBA itself most likely, so thats what they want. They all look at global potential, they are counting on working with greatest Football teams and making them part of the NBA. Rytas and Wolves, nobody knows what that is, and even tho it would be safer bet, it actually makes sense from Basketball perspective, but if NBA is targeting middle of the pack Eurocup and FIBA CL teams, they might as well don't even announce this expansions, because its not worthy of a topic. So they basically making FIBA CL 2 in that case, like who cares. At least Man City and PSG sounds global.
TheGeneral99 wrote:What would be fun is if the NBA Champion faces the best team from FIBA in a world series.
UcanUwill wrote:LuDux1 wrote:UcanUwill wrote:They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making
If only they were wide-eyed idealists like EL with non-Motiejunas London project and Dubai team
I haven't heard of EL London project
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1738890/paulius-motiejunas-responds-to-report-euroleague/this NBA idea to me still sounds very unpealing.
wegotthabeet wrote:UcanUwill wrote:LuDux1 wrote:Speaking of ecosystems, here's idea that will make one third of Lithuania retch: Silver organizes Zoom with Vilnius mayor, Rytas' CEO and Wolves' owner and says: "join forces and you will have a permanent place in our league."
Teams like Rytas and Wolves just feels like WAY too small a fish for the NBA, they are targeting biggest European markets and biggest Football brands. But thing is, even tho Rytas and especially Wolves are pretty irrelevant teams, but at least they have fanbase and market that cares for Basketball, I think those teams would actually make more sense. I think things like Manchester CIty and PSG just sounds like collosal flop waiting to happen, but Man City and PSG are HUGE brands, globally more popular than NBA itself most likely, so thats what they want. They all look at global potential, they are counting on working with greatest Football teams and making them part of the NBA. Rytas and Wolves, nobody knows what that is, and even tho it would be safer bet, it actually makes sense from Basketball perspective, but if NBA is targeting middle of the pack Eurocup and FIBA CL teams, they might as well don't even announce this expansions, because its not worthy of a topic. So they basically making FIBA CL 2 in that case, like who cares. At least Man City and PSG sounds global.
The real question is what teams are they trying to poach from Euroleague? What happens when teams like Real, Barca, Bayern etc.. jump ship? Then what? Basically the Euroleague is going to become the Eastern Euroleague and this new league led by the NBA will be most likely only mega brand names. I know they just signed a new deal that runs until 2036, but it seems like they will eventually go for the bigger euroleague clubs or attempt a merger of some kind down the line.
UcanUwill wrote:And I will elaborate futher. Basketball is niche sport, there is not much money in it outside North America. Best way for the NBA to get some success in Euorpe, would be if they worked with biggest Euroleague teams and just flat out stole them from Euroleague. I am talking Real, Barcelona, Maccabi, Panathinaikos, Olympiacos etc. I think in some cases, that is the idea. These teams for sure have basketball market. They won't be worth 500 million dollars, you can stop dreaming those sums NBA, but you take those teams, do NBA thing with it and hope fans are buying what you are selling. Maybe you undermine the product same way, but people would still care because they care for these teams.
But if you are dreaming of going to PSG and Man City and trying to convince them to create Basketball teams for you, this is NFL Europe again, you are trying to make money where there is not any. I got to admit, last year was the first time I heard of NFL Europe... I am European sports fan who lived through all that and 20 years after that, and I never even heard of its existence... This would be similar thing where they dream big, but establish franchises where there is simply no interest in a sport. We niche European Basketball fans wont care for Man City Basketball division. I mean UK has some hipster NBA fans, so yeah, there would be small fanbase there, but 500 million dollars worth a franchice, NBA, get off that weed, its not happening.
This is the problem, Euroleague has all these teams that has all these niche sport fanboys, and we still can't make this sport a success. We are still a huge niche. Imagine what niche would be a league with PSG basketball, Man City basketball, London basketball. It is flop waiting to happen.
Maybe I am wrong, NBA has global interest, but I do not think its big and consistent enough where you could form NBA team in any major city and find fans. London, Manchester, these are just not sustainable markets. maybe I am wrong? I think they sell out Paris NBA game, and London NBA game, and they got the wrong idea, I am just not seeing that myself. And Lithuanians who dream of Rytas or Wolves in the NBA, thats great, but we are small and poor market, our economy is ass, guys in LA pay for parking more than some of us make in a week... Vilnius is not that big, we are not on these guys radar. They IMO delusionally dream bigger than that.
LuDux1 wrote:UcanUwill wrote:LuDux1 wrote:
If only they were wide-eyed idealists like EL with non-Motiejunas London project and Dubai team
I haven't heard of EL London project
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1738890/paulius-motiejunas-responds-to-report-euroleague/this NBA idea to me still sounds very unpealing.
What exactly is "this NBA idea"?
UcanUwill wrote:wegotthabeet wrote:UcanUwill wrote:
Teams like Rytas and Wolves just feels like WAY too small a fish for the NBA, they are targeting biggest European markets and biggest Football brands. But thing is, even tho Rytas and especially Wolves are pretty irrelevant teams, but at least they have fanbase and market that cares for Basketball, I think those teams would actually make more sense. I think things like Manchester CIty and PSG just sounds like collosal flop waiting to happen, but Man City and PSG are HUGE brands, globally more popular than NBA itself most likely, so thats what they want. They all look at global potential, they are counting on working with greatest Football teams and making them part of the NBA. Rytas and Wolves, nobody knows what that is, and even tho it would be safer bet, it actually makes sense from Basketball perspective, but if NBA is targeting middle of the pack Eurocup and FIBA CL teams, they might as well don't even announce this expansions, because its not worthy of a topic. So they basically making FIBA CL 2 in that case, like who cares. At least Man City and PSG sounds global.
The real question is what teams are they trying to poach from Euroleague? What happens when teams like Real, Barca, Bayern etc.. jump ship? Then what? Basically the Euroleague is going to become the Eastern Euroleague and this new league led by the NBA will be most likely only mega brand names. I know they just signed a new deal that runs until 2036, but it seems like they will eventually go for the bigger euroleague clubs or attempt a merger of some kind down the line.
They definitely trying to poach Real, Barca and Bayern in particular. These are global giants in sports. Timing is probably not coincidence, because as was discussed, Real Madrids Euroelague's license was about to expire. I never followed on that, but thats basically why NBA acted now. If they get Real, Barca, Bayern and most likely CSKA, that would be huge hit for Euroleague and they would probably wouldn't recover from that, as you said, they would just become regional league, bigger VTB... But thats what I fear, more split in Euro ball, FIBA already created that garbage FIBA Champions league that just poached teams from Euroleague secondary tournament, Eurocup. At least FIBA CL is secondary league, it did not steal any major teams, but it still sucks how some of the better teams in whole Europe are split among tournament that don't cooperate and are actively hostile towards one another.
To me, as Euro fan, there are only too ''good'' options here. Either NBA Europe fails or does not happen, or is huge success that just kills off Euroleague and just replaces Euroleague, hopefully inviting historic lesser markets liek kaunas, Tel Aviv to NBA Europe too... If Both NBA EUrope and Euroleague just happen and some teams play in one, others in other, as fan, it would simply suck. Split like that sucks.
Personally, I am far bigger Euroleague fan, so I myself root for NBA Europe to just fail, but thats my personal stance that just based on fandom and fact I am not a fan of NBA product that much.
Mirotic12 wrote:Yeah, the A license clubs run the EuroLeague. So it shouldn't matter if the league office itself agrees to a new deal. Because all the league does is organize the competition for the clubs.
So unless the clubs themselves agree to a new a new deal through 2036, it wouldn't matter. Because the A license clubs can just play in whatever league they want.
I haven't seen any articles on any of the A license clubs actually signing that new deal that the league office agreed to.
I'm not sure about the NBA Europe League getting the teams from Dubai and Abu Dhabi though, because they seemed to have pretty much already agreed to join EuroLeague.
