Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him

[brackdan70]

There is plenty of real harmful gaslighting in the world. Let’s not be-little term by miss-using it.

[warriorschamps]

One last point. We saw Steph in the playoffs just back from injury and he swept the Jokic and the Nuggets. Meanwhile saw Lebron in the playoffs twice with Anthony Davis who was far better than anybody Steph had on his team almost get swept twice by Jokic.

Not a surprise it was Steph who had to activate GOD mode again to save Jokic from beating Lebron yet again.

[Bergmaniac]

Imagine being that much of a fanboy that you think that Steph Curry of all players gets unfairly treated by the media.

[CzBoobie]

We give Ray Allen so much credit for the shot he hit against the Spurs and deservedly so. It was one of the greatest shots in NBA history. But what isn't talked about enough is what happened right before that. Several Lebron missed jumpers and turnovers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306180MIA.html

What happened is that LeBron outscored the whole Spurs starting five in the 4th quarter you pathetic liar:D

[WarriorGM]

I just googled best nba players of all time. The first two hits had Curry 10th and 15th.
Look at his numbers vs Durrant in the 2017 finals. That’s hard to argue with. Durant was a beast.
Iguadola MVP….yes should have been Steph. That’s a difference of opinion. 2017 reg season MVP. Could have easily been Steph I agree. There were several guys right in there, super tight. Not gaslighting but a difference of opinion. Steph was the MVP the previous two years…was that gas lighting Lebron?
This Olympics…J mean they were both in the mix, no clear cut favorite to me. You wanted your guy to win and I get it.
It seems to me that Steph is fairly rated by Media and fans as one of the all time greats.

I addressed this directly. It is not one instance. It is the entire pattern.

It is the contradictions and inconsistency. One instance they use one criteria for Iguodala (a choice I can actually support). But then they flip the criteria for KD.

The choices for awards are more debatable.

The discussions or lack of them though are completely irrational, bizarre and inexplicable.

LeBron vs. Curry has never been settled. I'd even venture it hasn't even been asked.
Instead we get LeBron vs. Jordan and Curry vs. Lillard.

[NyKnicks1714]

OP is gaslighting us into thinking the media and everyone else doesn't love Steph.

[WarriorGM]

OP is gaslighting us into thinking the media and everyone else doesn't love Steph.

They love Steph by damning him with faint praise and treating him like a toddler.

Aww. Isn't he so lovable? Greatest shooter ever!

[HotelVitale]

First thought is stop talking about 'the media.' There is no 'the media' anymore, there are a million different sources of content and info now, many of the biggest ones owned by the usual corporate oligarchy but many not. The biggest ones tend to be the dumbest and most lowest common denominator, they just look for the easiest argument or controversy to repeat and there's even less effort to talk about a real question or do some real analysis than there is with the biggest news media. But those ones also tend to be the ones that the people keeping track and writing the histories aren't paying any attention to, and there are plenty of others. (Including many housed in the biggest media conglomerates).

If you're criticizing the media as a whole, start with this much larger set of different parts of it, who serve different audiences and purposes in the media-consumption landscape. It'll probably help you to figure out how much of this matters, and who needs to actually be convinced of what to make this situation better (or if the people who matter and/or are reachable actually already agree with you).

Well in this case the media isn't some obscure "they" it actually is the media literally. Media members are the ones who vote for things like FMVP. Not talking about the media would therefore be weirdly avoiding the people directly involved.

As for everyone else, well that includes us doesn't it? If everyone like myself doesn't express our opinion then where is this alternative perspective that doesn't come from the media going to come from?

Now is as good a time as any to voice an opinion. We just saw Curry be spectacular (again) and snubbed (again).

I'm not saying to stop talking about it, I'm suggesting you identify WHO you're talking about, to not take the 'media' as a single block but to say who specifically in it is making mistakes. And also to identify which ones a) matter and b) would be receptive to or maybe even accountable to the criticism.

Your criticism isn't likely to land if it's just 'the media is doing X wrong,' not just cuz the audience glazes over but also because there's nothing to engage/challenge people's minds and feelings on. It's do big and difficult to specifically challenge when you say stuff like 'the media is wrong about this big topic.' But it will get traction--and you can force it to by putting it out more--if you can point to some specific people who aren't just fools (since we all already know they're fools) who've made the wrong call, and challenge their reasoning and conclusions.

Anyway not trying to be condescending or anything, just sharing the advice. What we do in my little political-policy world when trying to push back against something that's pretty popular with the public.

[brackdan70]

I just googled best nba players of all time. The first two hits had Curry 10th and 15th.
Look at his numbers vs Durrant in the 2017 finals. That’s hard to argue with. Durant was a beast.
Iguadola MVP….yes should have been Steph. That’s a difference of opinion. 2017 reg season MVP. Could have easily been Steph I agree. There were several guys right in there, super tight. Not gaslighting but a difference of opinion. Steph was the MVP the previous two years…was that gas lighting Lebron?
This Olympics…J mean they were both in the mix, no clear cut favorite to me. You wanted your guy to win and I get it.
It seems to me that Steph is fairly rated by Media and fans as one of the all time greats.

I addressed this directly. It is not one instance. It is the entire pattern.

It is the contradictions and inconsistency. One instance they use one criteria for Iguodala (a choice I can actually support). But then they flip the criteria for KD.

The choices for awards are more debatable.

The discussions or lack of them though are completely irrational, bizarre and inexplicable.

LeBron vs. Curry has never been settled. I'd even venture it hasn't even been asked.
Instead we get LeBron vs. Jordan and Curry vs. Lillard.

Who is saying Lilliard is better than Curry.
Most are not, the media is not. No one is really comparing them or putting them on the same level.

There is a clear quantitative reason that he is not mentioned with LBJ and MJ.

[NyKnicks1714]

OP is gaslighting us into thinking the media and everyone else doesn't love Steph.

They love Steph by damning him with faint praise and treating him like a toddler.

This reality only exists inside your brain.

[NyKnicks1714]

Instead we get LeBron vs. Jordan and Curry vs. Lillard.

Who is saying Lilliard is better than Curry.

Who is even asking the question or making the comparison? It's not close and no one think it's close.

[warriorschamps]

In short Lebron might be the GOAT in propaganda but he certainly isn't in basketball. He's never had the ability or the smarts contrary to what the talking heads on TV who probably are on his payroll would have you believe.

But hey if you let him run in transition against slow defenders he can beat them to the cup and dunk. He just clueless in a lot of other aspects.

[brackdan70]

In short Lebron might be the GOAT in propaganda but he certainly isn't in basketball. He's never had the ability or the smarts contrary to what the talking heads on TV who probably are on his payroll would have you believe.

This is closer to Gaslighting actually.
Implying LBJ is not smart or skilled at basketball and that he is running a propaganda campaign and paying media.
None of it is true. It goes beyond an opinion.

[JJ_PR]

I don't have a problem with the MVP going to LeBron James. Sure, Steph was amazing the final 2 games, but LeBron was more consistent throughout the whole tournament. Either way, USA doesn't win the gold medal without Steph. The same can be said about LeBron.

[durden_tyler]

That took less than 2 days before the gold was won, yeah? American fans are something, can’t even enjoy the medal before the next conspiracy. LOL


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[Camby_Bamby]

There's a LOT working against him and it's not complicated to understand why so many hate him:

Chose Under Armour over Nike
More popular than Lebron
Game is more aesthetically pleasing than Bron
More exciting than Bron
Makes his teammates better
More normal (fought through injuries/6'2)
Beat Bron 3x in the finals
Doesn't throw teammates under the bus

[WarriorGM]

I just googled best nba players of all time. The first two hits had Curry 10th and 15th.
Look at his numbers vs Durrant in the 2017 finals. That’s hard to argue with. Durant was a beast.
Iguadola MVP….yes should have been Steph. That’s a difference of opinion. 2017 reg season MVP. Could have easily been Steph I agree. There were several guys right in there, super tight. Not gaslighting but a difference of opinion. Steph was the MVP the previous two years…was that gas lighting Lebron?
This Olympics…J mean they were both in the mix, no clear cut favorite to me. You wanted your guy to win and I get it.
It seems to me that Steph is fairly rated by Media and fans as one of the all time greats.

I addressed this directly. It is not one instance. It is the entire pattern.

It is the contradictions and inconsistency. One instance they use one criteria for Iguodala (a choice I can actually support). But then they flip the criteria for KD.

The choices for awards are more debatable.

The discussions or lack of them though are completely irrational, bizarre and inexplicable.

LeBron vs. Curry has never been settled. I'd even venture it hasn't even been asked.
Instead we get LeBron vs. Jordan and Curry vs. Lillard.

Who is saying Lilliard is better than Curry.
Most are not, the media is not. No one is really comparing them or putting them on the same level.

There is a clear quantitative reason that he is not mentioned with LBJ and MJ.

Why should Curry not be mentioned along with LBJ and MJ? Who is the only other top player who can say he has led a team to more wins in a single regular season than MJ?

Curry.

This should never have happened:

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30451766/ranking-top-10-nba-players-2020-21

[ReddoverKobe]

Cant you just enjoy the game?

[Statlanta]

All

Case 1, Iguodala did better in his limited role as and individual than Curry played in his star role and it was the coaching change to improve Iguodala's role that swayed the series and voters.

Case 2, Durant performed more consistently on his individual numbers than Curry in the playoffs despite the advanced statistics and the team structure(good GS wing substitutions for Durant, bums replacing Curry on the bench) favoring Curry.

Case 3, Much weaker competition for MVP in 2012 and 2013 than in 2017 and 2018 even with the similar circumstances you pointed out. On the subject of Giannis/Jokic, Curry missed so much more time than them in 2021 and 2022.

Case 4, the media likes LeBron more and his play has earned it because he performs better than Curry when facing head to head.

I don't think there is a narrative against Curry more like the media propping up other golden boys. Durant and James should be disliked more as athletes(a profession defined by competition/meritocracy) by the media for their non-competitive free agent choices but because Durant plays into the MJ scorer archetype and LeBron has the media with him since he was a teenager they get a pass.

[ReddoverKobe]

There's a LOT working against him and it's not complicated to understand why so many hate him:

Chose Under Armour over Nike
More popular than Lebron
Game is more aesthetically pleasing than Bron
More exciting than Bron
Makes his teammates better
More normal (fought through injuries/6'2)
Beat Bron 3x in the finals
Doesn't throw teammates under the bus

Who hates him lol. Curry is like as close to universally liked as a player can get