Washington Wizards: what's your RealGM analysis?

[shi-woo]

I'm really low on this team, and think they are in for a lengthy process. They are doing alright, but this team is still 4 years away

I like their young talent, but none of them are a sure thing, and are all projects more than prospects at this point. That's a lot of basketball that is going to need to be learned at an elite level.

Sarr, Bud, Coulibali are all really young players, and we will see what they turn into. On paper they all have high potential and compliment each other perfectly, but we'll see. This team doesn't really have any young talent outside of those 3 right now, and are in desperate need of adding more. They will be bad this year, and their pick situation is dicey at best for a rebuilding team.

I don't like the vets on this team, and would trade any of them for a player in their early 20's or some picks. Poole, Kuzma, Brogdan, and Val have have had deep playoff runs, Kuz and Poole are proven championship role players. They all take a lot of shots, but are signed to solid deals. Brogdon should be traded or waived.

Wasn't a fan of the Deni trade, thought he was a solid young player, and really coming into his own. Bub looks like he has potential to be a solid PG, but still, I wish it was Kuzma or Kispert that went out instead. This team is committed to contract wise during the rebuild.

Val
Sarr
Kuz- Bey- George
Coulibali- Poole
Carrington

This team needs to add another high level prospect, multiple shooters, and needs some series depth at the guard and big spots. We'll see if they can do it. They are in the position to get both of those with a hopeful Top pick again in a solid draft, and multiple contracts coming off the books at the end of the year.

If they can walk away with a Bailey/Harper in the draft and a Naz Reid or Myles Turner in FA i'll feel much better about this team

[doogie_hauser]

As long as they have gotten most/all of their FRPs for the next 5-9 years they will be okay.
They got better value for Beal in that deal with Phoenix (and Indy) than many thought they would get.
Honestly reckon Sarr will be immediately better than expected in his rookie season.

I do honestly feel bad for their long suffering fans (hard pressed to know which fans have suffered more in the last 15 or so years than the Wiz) but there seems to be some light at the end of The Tunnel finally.

[Optms]

Didn't love their draft, the Poole trade was and continues to be an unmitigated disaster, they should've traded Kuzma when the market for him was hot. D+ so far for the front office, would be a D- if they didn't get a nice haul for Deni Avdija.

Not so sure. Last few moves have been smart!

Not sure about Sarr but:

Traded picks and picked up Keyshawn George.
Traded Deni for Brogdan plus 2 FRPs and SRP.

Then pickup FAs:
Bey 3/20
Valanciunas 3/30

These looks to me some solid moves with good upside for the team.

They mainly traded Deni to get another lottery pick and its a disservice not to mention who they selected with that pick - Bub Carrington. Who already looks like he's going to be a much better player than Deni. At worst the trade was even, at best, they got back their future starting point guard who could be a top 20 player in terms of ceiling. Potentially higher.

[GSWFan1994]

Will Bub Carrington be the starting PG? Can he play PG full time in the NBA level? I thought he was more like a combo guard in college.

[Saints14]

I voted so-so. I don't think they have a future cornerstone on their roster, because I don't think Sarr is that guy (maybe Bub can be, but that's a lot to project for a late lotto pick). But, they made the right decision last offseason to tear it down, and since I think that change in direction was near-universally lauded on here I'm surprised that most people in this poll seem to hate the direction now. They're a top candidate to be the worst team in the NBA next year with two seemingly strong drafts coming up at least at the top, so if they get a bit of lotto luck their cornerstone might be coming soon

[GSWFan1994]

Also, really funny that the thread in its 3rd page and yet literally not a single post mentioned Johnny Davis, lol.

[GSWFan1994]

I voted so-so. I don't think they have a future cornerstone on their roster, because I don't think Sarr is that guy (maybe Bub can be, but that's a lot to project for a late lotto pick). But, they made the right decision last offseason to tear it down, and since I think that change in direction was near-universally lauded on here I'm surprised that most people in this poll seem to hate the direction now. They're a top candidate to be the worst team in the NBA next year with two seemingly strong drafts coming up at least at the top, so if they get a bit of lotto luck their cornerstone might be coming soon

If you replace the question of the poll by "what do you think of the roster right now?", then the poll results make sense,

[Mavrelous]

They sobered up from their Beal mistake, only to take on a worse player on a more crippling contract...
I liked their Avdija deal, sold extremely high on him.
They drafted 2 raw projects with their tanking picks so the jury is still out.

[King4Day]

A lot will change if they land Cooper Flagg

[Saints14]

I voted so-so. I don't think they have a future cornerstone on their roster, because I don't think Sarr is that guy (maybe Bub can be, but that's a lot to project for a late lotto pick). But, they made the right decision last offseason to tear it down, and since I think that change in direction was near-universally lauded on here I'm surprised that most people in this poll seem to hate the direction now. They're a top candidate to be the worst team in the NBA next year with two seemingly strong drafts coming up at least at the top, so if they get a bit of lotto luck their cornerstone might be coming soon

If you replace the question of the poll by "what do you think of the roster right now?", then the poll results make sense,

Yeah another case of the thread title not matching the poll title

[GSWFan1994]

Yeah another case of the thread title not matching the poll title

Hey, it was me who created the thread!

I'm not to blame if people can't read properly then vote...

[PhilBlackson]

I upgraded them from “no it’s very bad “ to “no it’s bad” lol just based solely on the fact I don’t mind a few of their recent picks (ie/ Bilal, Bub, Sarr, George) they’re not stars which is why it’s still had them as “no it’s bad” lol but not very because I think once they get an inevitable top in 5 in 25’ they’ll likely get an all star level player with some ok/solid young players in place. Then they move up to being pretty bad & eventually once they get a 2nd high pick in 26’ it should hopefully start turning around.

All that said out of every franchise I feel like they’re the furthest away from competing in the league.

[dhsilv2]

59 votes and 3 "I don't knows"? I mean sure...seems bad, but who's really following them close enough to know if they're starting to make improvements? I'm sure wizards fans but the rest of us. Come on people.

[DreamTeam09]

I don't like that Bilal kid that's for sure

[LakersSoul]

Didn't love their draft, the Poole trade was and continues to be an unmitigated disaster, they should've traded Kuzma when the market for him was hot. D+ so far for the front office, would be a D- if they didn't get a nice haul for Deni Avdija.

Not so sure. Last few moves have been smart!

Not sure about Sarr but:

Traded picks and picked up Keyshawn George.
Traded Deni for Brogdan plus 2 FRPs and SRP.

Then pickup FAs:
Bey 3/20
Valanciunas 3/30

These looks to me some solid moves with good upside for the team.

They mainly traded Deni to get another lottery pick and its a disservice not to mention who they selected with that pick - Bub Carrington. Who already looks like he's going to be a much better player than Deni. At worst the trade was even, at best, they got back their future starting point guard who could be a top 20 player in terms of ceiling. Potentially higher.

Yeah, looks like a solid pick. I just didnt mention him because I didnt know too much about the kid. After a quick review, 6'5" cg with 6'8" wspan and a youngster with energy. He could be a guard that they build around or trade after a few years for better draft picks haul.

Think the new FO is doing a solid job of picking up good picks, adding draft picks, and adding solid vets that could be traded in the future for more picks.

I really like George that they picked up. Big CG at 6'8.5" that is athletic and can shoot! He will be a hidden gem as I kind of wanted the Lakers to trade down and pick him up.

[Saints14]

Yeah another case of the thread title not matching the poll title

Hey, it was me who created the thread!

I'm not to blame if people can't read properly then vote...

Didn't notice that, my bad

[nate33]

They always wait too long to commit to a rebuild. The writing was on the wall with Beal 3 years ago. He was averaging 30 a game but the Wizards couldn't even play .500 ball with him. They obviously should have traded him when he had real value and then committed to tanking. Instead, they traded for Westbrook and then for Porzingis in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. All it did was lead to a few 35-win seasons and late lotto picks while Beal's trade value steadily declined.

The Wizards finally figured it out last summer and committed to properly rebuilding through the draft. But Rome wasn't built in a day. It's going to take a couple of years and some luck, but at least they have the right strategic vision. And since they didn't start the process by trading good vets for draft picks, it's going to take longer.

We can quibble about how the rebuild is going. I hated the Deni trade, for example. But the bottom line is that we're not really going to know until we see how these guys pan out. Their future depends on Sarr, Bilal and Carrington.

[LakersSoul]

They always wait too long to commit to a rebuild. The writing was on the wall with Beal 3 years ago. He was averaging 30 a game but the Wizards couldn't even play .500 ball with him. They obviously should have traded him when he had real value and then committed to tanking. Instead, they traded for Westbrook and then for Porzingis in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. All it did was lead to a few 35-win seasons and late lotto picks while Beal's trade value steadily declined.

The Wizards finally figured it out last summer and committed to properly rebuilding through the draft. But Rome wasn't built in a day. It's going to take a couple of years and some luck, but at least they have the right strategic vision. And since they didn't start the process by trading good vets for draft picks, it's going to take longer.

We can quibble about how the rebuild is going. I hated the Deni trade, for example. But the bottom line is that we're not really going to know until we see how these guys pan out. Their future depends on Sarr, Bilal and Carrington.

Are the wizard fans really bullish on Sarr? He will be a big factor on how quickly they turn the organization around but agree that either way, its going to take 2-4 years at a minimum to become relevant.

[jokeboy86]

I said no because Leonsis seems just as clueless as Pollin was near the end. They have a tendency to also overpay people even when all signs point to dont(Arenas, Wall, Beal) and it then hampers their franchise.

[hippesthippo]

Compared to last year and the year before? Yes, at least they've finally picked a direction and decided to do a full rebuild. I didn't like the return for Deni and thought it was a bad draft to go all in on, but it was good to see them commit to something.

Of course, then I read on the Wiretap that they want to use Sarr on the ball running plays on offense and all I could think of was his 0-13 Summer League performance.

Final answer? Yes, a lil' bit. They picked a direction, but Bub and Sarr do not inspire any confidence in me that things will turn around quickly.