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Synciere wrote:2× NBA champion (2017, 2018)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2017, 2018)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2014)
14× NBA All-Star (2010–2019, 2021–2024)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2012, 2019)
6× All-NBA First Team (2010–2014, 2018)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022, 2024)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
4× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012, 2014)
2× 50–40–90 club (2013, 2023)
National college player of the year (2007)
Olympics MVP (2020)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2010)
He's currently #8 on the all time scoring list. He says he intends on playing until the wheels fall off so I expect him to be top 3 on the all time list.Dubnation wrote:Synciere wrote:2× NBA champion (2017, 2018)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2017, 2018)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2014)
14× NBA All-Star (2010–2019, 2021–2024)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2012, 2019)
6× All-NBA First Team (2010–2014, 2018)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022, 2024)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
4× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012, 2014)
2× 50–40–90 club (2013, 2023)
National college player of the year (2007)
Olympics MVP (2020)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2010)
This is quite a resume.
Synciere wrote:yannisk wrote:He won 2 rings joining the Warriors super team. I don't put much weight in those rings. They have won with Barnes before him and Wiggins after him. He has played with other great players with limited success (apart the finals with OKC). So i do not think he has been particularly successful. On the other hand when you watch him on a game he is on and he is hitting everything being 6''11 he is so impressive and he has the longevity going for him. I think he is an amazing scorer but not elite in any other aspect of his game as the truly greats are.
I put him in the 17-19 range
From current players I have Lebron, Curry, Jokic, Giannis ahead of him already. I expect Wemby and Doncic will also pass him if they stay healthy
If you don’t put stock in his warriors championships then you’d have to move Steph back a solid ten spots also since he’d only have two chips and wasn’t the best player on those teams with KD. KD is ahead of Steph, Jokic, and Giannis. Jokic on his current path passes him, but not today.
Black Jack wrote:I say top 5, he's proven he's GOAT level
(now is my time to decloak as a KD burner)
no but for real peak KD is probably right there with almost anyone. just incredible. Anything less than top 15 is silly to me.
I think fans haven't given him his proper respect for being a super hard worker and respecting the game because of all the other stuff.
Dubnation wrote:Synciere wrote:2× NBA champion (2017, 2018)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2017, 2018)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2014)
14× NBA All-Star (2010–2019, 2021–2024)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2012, 2019)
6× All-NBA First Team (2010–2014, 2018)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022, 2024)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
4× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012, 2014)
2× 50–40–90 club (2013, 2023)
National college player of the year (2007)
Olympics MVP (2020)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2010)
This is quite a resume.
NZB2323 wrote:Black Jack wrote:I say top 5, he's proven he's GOAT level
(now is my time to decloak as a KD burner
no but for real peak KD is probably right there with almost anyone. just incredible. Anything less than top 15 is silly to me.
I think fans haven't given him his proper respect for being a super hard worker and respecting the game because of all the other stuff.
I don’t think it’s silly to leave him out of the top 15. People have been posting his resume, but everyone in the top 20 has a stacked resume. I think a list like this is reasonable:
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Shaq
12. Curry
13. Moses Malone
14. Dr. J
15. Jokic
16. Giannis
17. Oscar Robertson
18. Jerry West
19. Dirk
20. KG
21. Durant
Now Durant certainly has an argument over KG, Dirk, West, and Oscar, but it’s debatable.
HMFFL wrote:At 19 years old, he was drafted by Seattle, purchased property there, and was forced to move to OKC. At the time, OKC was meh. Still is from a living perspective for most.Fundamentals21 wrote:I have him around 15. Forced his way to GSW to win titles, and fell short in his OKC days. He's really good when matched up with other legends in the playoffs, shows me he's one of them.
Golden State gave him a sense of how a team should be run with quality teammates. Unlike Harden hitting up the clubs all the time and leaving OKC to do it.
He was a machine during the Finals runs. He deserves credit for what he did for Golden State.
KD is criticized for the one right thing he's done in the league to be selfish to succeed. Golden State needed him just as much. He was the final piece.
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ty 4191 wrote:Was looking at KD's stats in the aggregate and wondered what all the experts here thought about his all time ranking at this point...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
Few highlights:
--29/8/4 in 170 playoff games. 29.4 PPG is 4th in NBA history in the playoffs.
-1 MVP, 6 Top 5's in MVP voting.
-2 FMVPs.
--10th all time in PER (RS), 13th all time (PS).
--10th all time in BPM (RS), 12th all time (PS).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HWQLTqFcJdJJNvMFDAwikJXujuh75uajUPrE0eF2XXc/edit?gid=0#gid=0
(KD was ranked 23rd greatest player of all time in our last 2 Top 100 Projects).
So...where do you think KD ranks all time?
And, why?
Thank you, everyone!
Black Jack wrote:NZB2323 wrote:Black Jack wrote:I say top 5, he's proven he's GOAT level
(now is my time to decloak as a KD burner
no but for real peak KD is probably right there with almost anyone. just incredible. Anything less than top 15 is silly to me.
I think fans haven't given him his proper respect for being a super hard worker and respecting the game because of all the other stuff.
I don’t think it’s silly to leave him out of the top 15. People have been posting his resume, but everyone in the top 20 has a stacked resume. I think a list like this is reasonable:
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Shaq
12. Curry
13. Moses Malone
14. Dr. J
15. Jokic
16. Giannis
17. Oscar Robertson
18. Jerry West
19. Dirk
20. KG
21. Durant
Now Durant certainly has an argument over KG, Dirk, West, and Oscar, but it’s debatable.
My thing is, everybody wants to discount Durant's 2 FMVPs because he joined the Warriors. Well, plenty of those names you have above him had stacked teams like, say, Dr J. If you think a free agent signing is "less honorable" than just happening to play with stacked teams like the 83 Sixers or 86 Celtics etc, fine.
Giannis had a great peak but ha a lot of rough spots in his game. I question how well he'd do versus other really elite athletes like Wilt or Hakeem, there's a lot of ways to neutralize what he does if he doesn't have the overwhelming athletic advantage. Shaq is similar but Shaq was another level of physical specimen.
Offhand I'd move Dr J out of the top 15, and Durant in. Oscar, West, Dirk, KG, all great players. I don't think just as players any of them give you what peak Durant does which is a top 5ish all time scorer skill wise AND elite defense.
NZB2323 wrote:Black Jack wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
I don’t think it’s silly to leave him out of the top 15. People have been posting his resume, but everyone in the top 20 has a stacked resume. I think a list like this is reasonable:
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Shaq
12. Curry
13. Moses Malone
14. Dr. J
15. Jokic
16. Giannis
17. Oscar Robertson
18. Jerry West
19. Dirk
20. KG
21. Durant
Now Durant certainly has an argument over KG, Dirk, West, and Oscar, but it’s debatable.
My thing is, everybody wants to discount Durant's 2 FMVPs because he joined the Warriors. Well, plenty of those names you have above him had stacked teams like, say, Dr J. If you think a free agent signing is "less honorable" than just happening to play with stacked teams like the 83 Sixers or 86 Celtics etc, fine.
Giannis had a great peak but ha a lot of rough spots in his game. I question how well he'd do versus other really elite athletes like Wilt or Hakeem, there's a lot of ways to neutralize what he does if he doesn't have the overwhelming athletic advantage. Shaq is similar but Shaq was another level of physical specimen.
Offhand I'd move Dr J out of the top 15, and Durant in. Oscar, West, Dirk, KG, all great players. I don't think just as players any of them give you what peak Durant does which is a top 5ish all time scorer skill wise AND elite defense.
Dr. J also won 2 ABA titles. Bird won with the 81 Celtics who weren’t nearly as stacked as the 86 team. The 79 Celtics won 29 games. People also discount Durant’s Finals
MVPs because they believe Curry was better.
The 09 Celtics were 44-11 with KG and then almost lost in the first round without him. They lost in the 2nd without him.
Do the 2011 Mavs even make the playoffs without Dirk? Do the 2021 Bucks?
Having KD as 15th all time is reasonable. So is having him 21st.
Black Jack wrote:NZB2323 wrote:Black Jack wrote:I say top 5, he's proven he's GOAT level
(now is my time to decloak as a KD burner
no but for real peak KD is probably right there with almost anyone. just incredible. Anything less than top 15 is silly to me.
I think fans haven't given him his proper respect for being a super hard worker and respecting the game because of all the other stuff.
I don’t think it’s silly to leave him out of the top 15. People have been posting his resume, but everyone in the top 20 has a stacked resume. I think a list like this is reasonable:
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Shaq
12. Curry
13. Moses Malone
14. Dr. J
15. Jokic
16. Giannis
17. Oscar Robertson
18. Jerry West
19. Dirk
20. KG
21. Durant
Now Durant certainly has an argument over KG, Dirk, West, and Oscar, but it’s debatable.
My thing is, everybody wants to discount Durant's 2 FMVPs because he joined the Warriors. Well, plenty of those names you have above him had stacked teams like, say, Dr J. If you think a free agent signing is "less honorable" than just happening to play with stacked teams like the 83 Sixers or 86 Celtics etc, fine.
Giannis had a great peak but ha a lot of rough spots in his game. I question how well he'd do versus other really elite athletes like Wilt or Hakeem, there's a lot of ways to neutralize what he does if he doesn't have the overwhelming athletic advantage. Shaq is similar but Shaq was another level of physical specimen.
Offhand I'd move Dr J out of the top 15, and Durant in. Oscar, West, Dirk, KG, all great players. I don't think just as players any of them give you what peak Durant does which is a top 5ish all time scorer skill wise AND elite defense.
Giannis over KD is nutsKGtabake wrote:1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Wilt
4. Jabbar
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Russell
11. Steph
12. Hakeem
13. M. Malone
14. Giannis
15. Jokic
16. Durant
Nate505 wrote:Somewhere from 20-25. I guess some people values his rings...but I don't.
