2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 2)

[WarriorGM]

Jokic is the best RS player right now, but that's not how MVP works. If it was, Lebron would have 8-10 MVPs.

LeBron was probably the best RS player for like 5 seasons? Maybe 6 if you count 2007. He won in 4 out of the 6 years where he was probably most deserving candidate which is pretty normal

Lebron was indisputably the best player from 09 to 16. He has a strong case in 07, 08, 17 & 18 as well. That's 8-12 years. I don't think I'd have picked him in 07 or 08, that would go to Duncan/Nash/Dirk and KG/CP3 respectively, but he had a case.

It's disputed. Always amusing how the most lop-sided MVP selection ever somehow translates to an undisputed claim for another player. The gaslighting is truly crazy.

[falcolombardi]

LeBron was probably the best RS player for like 5 seasons? Maybe 6 if you count 2007. He won in 4 out of the 6 years where he was probably most deserving candidate which is pretty normal

Lebron was indisputably the best player from 09 to 16. He has a strong case in 07, 08, 17 & 18 as well. That's 8-12 years. I don't think I'd have picked him in 07 or 08, that would go to Duncan/Nash/Dirk and KG/CP3 respectively, but he had a case.

It's disputed. Always amusing how the most lop-sided MVP selection ever somehow translates to an undisputed claim for another player. The gaslighting is truly crazy.

You realize that peopke pick 2016 lebron because of playoffs right?

[WarriorGM]

Lebron was indisputably the best player from 09 to 16. He has a strong case in 07, 08, 17 & 18 as well. That's 8-12 years. I don't think I'd have picked him in 07 or 08, that would go to Duncan/Nash/Dirk and KG/CP3 respectively, but he had a case.

It's disputed. Always amusing how the most lop-sided MVP selection ever somehow translates to an undisputed claim for another player. The gaslighting is truly crazy.

You realize that peopke pick 2016 lebron because of playoffs right?

Funny that's also why I pick Curry.

[316Hornets]

LaMelo drops 50, then goes for 44 tonight. That bumps him up to #2 in PPG at 31. Looks like a 3 way race between Giannis, Jokic, and LaMelo.

[Eightnineborn]

I'm not sure Mitchell has been our best player this season to be honest. It's tough for me to gauge the order of which guys are driving the most impact on a team where it feels like so many guys are providing similarly sized contributions. I would personally argue that Garland and Mobley have been a little more valuable than Donovan this year.

I'm pretty comfortable with none of them being in the MVP conversation. People feel too obligated to reward overall team success by putting someone's name in the MVP discussion, but the truth is you have four guys who are all playing at a lower All-Star level and then two guys in Jerome and LeVert (especially Jerome) who are playing like 6MOY contenders. Nobody is playing like a top 7 player in the league though imo.

Mitchell is clearly the best player in the team. Its just that everyone is doing well and he is cool with taking it slower and knowing when to pick his spots. But there is no doubt that he is clearly the best player on the best team atm.

[Infinite Llamas]

LaMelo drops 50, then goes for 44 tonight. That bumps him up to #2 in PPG at 31. Looks like a 3 way race between Giannis, Jokic, and LaMelo.

Beal averaged 30 on a trash Wizards team and didn’t make the all star team…

But yes, an MVP from a team on pace for 25 wins would be a choice.

[CobraCommander]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42512414/nba-early-season-awards-expert-picks-mvp-roy-more-far


“A month into the season, it simply isn't possible to present a rational argument that any other player in the league can claim the award over Jokic. The gap between Joker and the field was illustrated quite well during the Nuggets' road blowout over the Lakers on Sunday night. Jokic had a pretty typical performance by his standards (34 points, 13 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals and a block) while dominating Anthony Davis, the runner-up in this award category”

Damn that’s solid writing from espn

It's hilarious how long it took ESPN to catch on to Jokic's domination, but better late than never I suppose.

It only took the best offensive stats of all time lol

[CobraCommander]

Well Luka was probably the best postseason player last season and did he win the mvp? No….

Jordan was probably the best postseason player every time he made the playoffs but did he win 9 mvps?

No….

Mvp is a regular season award. Dirk won mvp in 07 and got bounced in the first round by GS. Playoffs dont matter.

It’s a regular season award. Jokic had the best playoffs in resent memory the year Embiid won the MVP. This year - jokic is even better- We should start talking about who is the runner up -

Now There is a debate - I think it’s Giannis but the experts say AD

1. Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets: 50 points (67% of first-place votes)

2. Anthony Davis, Los Angeles Lakers: 22 points (25% of first place votes)

3. Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics: 12 points

4. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Oklahoma City Thunder: 11 points (8% of first-place votes)

T5. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks: 6 points

T5. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors: 6 points

I agree its Jokic clear cut without a doubt. As far as runner up, i would say SGA, Giannis, and then Anthony Davis. I think a sleeper pick would be Wagner with the Magic.

If you can combine them boys stats the Wagners are on Jokic - but Orlando future bright!

Okc and Orlando could be a few years from being the east and west reps

[Magic Giannison]

Awfully quiet in here.

[Infinite Llamas]

Awfully quiet in here.

Heavens forbid he has one poor game in 2023-24 lmao

Find me one ATG that didn’t have a poor game every now and then. Hint: they don’t exist.

[Magic Giannison]

Awfully quiet in here.

Heavens forbid he has one poor game in 2023-24 lmao

Find me one ATG that didn’t have a poor game every now and then. Hint: they don’t exist.

He didn't just have a terrible game, he had such a bad game that even his coach called him out.

Yeah bad games happen but this is where the defense comes in play. Even if you have terrible scoring night you can contribute big time with your defense.

Considering how tight the MVP criteria i think its absurd to keep promoting the narrative that Jokic is far ahead of everyone else.

[Mrakar]

Awfully quiet in here.

Heavens forbid he has one poor game in 2023-24 lmao

Find me one ATG that didn’t have a poor game every now and then. Hint: they don’t exist.

He didn't just have a terrible game, he had such a bad game that even his coach called him out.

Yeah bad games happen but this is where the defense comes in play. Even if you have terrible scoring night you can contribute big time with your defense.

Considering how tight the MVP criteria i think its absurd to keep promoting the narrative that Jokic is far ahead of everyone else.

Its tight as hoola hoop on a toothpick right now. Poll is reseted and Jok is still far ahead. Media, coaches, players also think the same.

It can change, you never know, but right now its runaway...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Awfully quiet in here.

Big Purr gave it to him.

[mediocrityrules]

one game means nothing in an 82 game season.

[BigGargamel]

Awfully quiet in here.

Heavens forbid he has one poor game in 2023-24 lmao

Find me one ATG that didn’t have a poor game every now and then. Hint: they don’t exist.

He didn't just have a terrible game, he had such a bad game that even his coach called him out.

Yeah bad games happen but this is where the defense comes in play. Even if you have terrible scoring night you can contribute big time with your defense.

Considering how tight the MVP criteria i think its absurd to keep promoting the narrative that Jokic is far ahead of everyone else.

You know you're good when 22/7/7 is by far your worst game of the season.

Tonight was no surprise, KAT always gives him fits. I'm glad he's in the East now.

[Johnny Firpo]

Awfully quiet in here.

LMAO at you waiting for a bad game like a child waiting for Christmas.

[DaGawd]

jokic tucks his tail when he sees KAT on the schedule

[Packbuckman]

Like I said before it’s a long season jokic has had a great start to the season but to keep these stats and play up for an entire season is almost impossible.
same with Giannis there will be games he’s not feeling it and the bucks slow start was from players shooting career lows it changes. Long season enjoy

[DrModesty]

The biggest threats to Nikola should be Tatum and SGA at this point. Both players are leading their teams to extremely dominant records while also putting up big stats. Both have had significant injuries on their teams too. I guess you could argue AD as well.

[SOA]

The biggest threat to Jokic is team record. He ain't going to pull a Kareem

The Nuggets have to win games. And as of now, they are mediocre.