What in the Hell Can the Nuggets Do?

[jokeboy86]

Frank Vogel and Mike Budenholzer got sacked and yet Malone is just untouchable in many people's eyes. People act like the guy is Pop or Kerr.

He wouldn't be if Jokic had Lebron or Durant's mentality or even Giannis's passive aggressive ways. Love Jokic but if he fails to add any more titles to his resume that'll be his fault because if you're a elite player you have to put pressure on your FO unless you play for the Heat or the Spurs. Most of the greats have done it. Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Lebron even Duncan scared the Spurs a little when he was close to going to Orlando. The thing is I think Jokic may ultimately be fine with one ring and overall satisfied with his career and realistically I could see him retiring once this contract is up.

[scrabbarista]

People keep dissing Porter Jr, but he's been their second best player and has not missed a single game (unlike Jokic, Gordon and Murray). Malone sat two starters against the Wizards, while also not building any confidence in his bench. When is the coach going to get blame for sucking? Every other coach gets smoke, but this guy somehow escapes it. Jay Huff is averaging nearly 10ppg off the bench for Memphis this season and the guy wouldn't play him last year.

Loved the point made on Locked On Nuggets yesterday: the team has coached Porter into one-dimensionality. They've neutered him at every turn of his development. It worked great when the team was stacked and he could be like the fifth-best player (credit where its due), but now that a wider range of aggression is needed from him, it may be too late. In other words, another coaching fail.

[Lala870]

People keep dissing Porter Jr, but he's been their second best player and has not missed a single game (unlike Jokic, Gordon and Murray). Malone sat two starters against the Wizards, while also not building any confidence in his bench. When is the coach going to get blame for sucking? Every other coach gets smoke, but this guy somehow escapes it. Jay Huff is averaging nearly 10ppg off the bench for Memphis this season and the guy wouldn't play him last year.

Loved the point made on Locked On Nuggets yesterday: the team has coached Porter into one-dimensionality. They've neutered him at every turn of his development. It worked great when the team was stacked and he could be like the fifth-best player (credit where its due), but now that a wider range of aggression is needed from him, it may be too late. In other words, another coaching fail.

Locked on nuggets is not great from my brief time watching them.

They are the epitome of "drink the kool-aid" and Denver sports media as a whole.

MPJ is a scrub and has always played like he was the player most teams passed on due to his back problems. What development are they talking about? INSANITY

Hes a worse version of Wilson Chandler with a max deal

[Hellcrooner]

Trade Jokic For D Russ, reaves and some picks

:p

[vxmike]

Giving MPJ the max was the nail in the coffin. You dont give a player like that the max. Letting go of Bruce Brown amd KCP was also when the dominoes started to fall and giving Murray the max (while understandable) wasnt great

This move has hampered the Nuggets depth ever since. MPJ wasn’t worth half what they paid him and it prevented them from keeping depth pieces.

[scrabbarista]

People keep dissing Porter Jr, but he's been their second best player and has not missed a single game (unlike Jokic, Gordon and Murray). Malone sat two starters against the Wizards, while also not building any confidence in his bench. When is the coach going to get blame for sucking? Every other coach gets smoke, but this guy somehow escapes it. Jay Huff is averaging nearly 10ppg off the bench for Memphis this season and the guy wouldn't play him last year.

Loved the point made on Locked On Nuggets yesterday: the team has coached Porter into one-dimensionality. They've neutered him at every turn of his development. It worked great when the team was stacked and he could be like the fifth-best player (credit where its due), but now that a wider range of aggression is needed from him, it may be too late. In other words, another coaching fail.

Locked on nuggets is not great from my brief time watching them.

They are the epitome of "drink the kool-aid" and Denver sports media as a whole.

MPJ is a scrub and has always played like he was the player most teams passed on due to his back problems. What development are they talking about? INSANITY

Hes a worse version of Wilson Chandler with a max deal

No development. That's their point.

Watch the latest episode. It's the only one I've watched this year, and it creates the opposite impression from the one you have of the show.

Also, Matt Moore has always been one of the smarter guys in NBA media.

[Lala870]

Loved the point made on Locked On Nuggets yesterday: the team has coached Porter into one-dimensionality. They've neutered him at every turn of his development. It worked great when the team was stacked and he could be like the fifth-best player (credit where its due), but now that a wider range of aggression is needed from him, it may be too late. In other words, another coaching fail.

Locked on nuggets is not great from my brief time watching them.

They are the epitome of "drink the kool-aid" and Denver sports media as a whole.

MPJ is a scrub and has always played like he was the player most teams passed on due to his back problems. What development are they talking about? INSANITY

Hes a worse version of Wilson Chandler with a max deal

No development. That's their point.

Watch the latest episode. It's the only one I've watched this year, and it creates the opposite impression from the one you have of the show.

Also, Matt Moore has always been one of the smarter guys in NBA media.

They are saying its a coaching fail with MPJ according to you.

How is that a developmental/coaching fail when MPJ shows signs of being mentally weak thanks to his injury and is likely still playing through a back injury? How many surgeries has he had at this point.

Its a GM problem not a coaching one. Locked on nuggets are KSE apologists.

Watching MPJ play its clear he is only capable physically of being a rashard lewis type player as another poster on here said. SAD!!!

[MrPainfulTruth]

Send Westbrook to China

Ah so Westbrook is the problem? Care to explain?

[Pattycakes]

I could see them trying to take on some of the blazers expendables.. I won’t bother checking salaries but I could see it

[Catchall]

Could they turn MPJ into Cam Johnson and Dorian Finney-Smith with picks involved?

[Cavsfansince84]

Seems like just yesterday a lot of us thought they could win 3 titles in a row. I mean the f/o thought they could too if they kept all their guys so now here we are. Obviously the gm did mess up their bench and its also possible they could get through the west if Murray and MPJ get hot from 3. So Jokic can either grin and bear it and hope for the best or demand out. Chances are he retires a Nugget I would guess because I think he would rather just stay a hero in Denver than start chasing more titles.

[CobraCommander]

Jokic needs to be traded for Milwaukee or Giannis and Dame need to come to Denver-

Honestly I have never seen two franchises mismanage the rosters of top 20 to potentially top 5 players this bad ever.

Their GMs should be fired immediately- while Dallas, OKC, Gouston, Boston, minny and the 76ers are making moves to give their best players a chance - the bucks and nuggets are trying to see how difficult they can make it for their star

I think the Bucks have done a pretty good job with Giannis. They just got unlucky with injuries the past few postseasons + most of their roster being old. Their window started in 2019 and they are now in year 6. Teams are usually in decline around this stage.

I disagree - dame for jru is a net negative IF Middleton is hurt- which he is pretty much always is. Doc can’t coach...dame is old inconsistent and ultra well paid - they missing on draft pick after draft pick on fit and not getting any FA...Giannis is essentially pulling a Jokic in Milwaukee

[Optms]

Trade Joker to a team loaded with assets and rebuild. Houston Rockets could make it work.

[MrPainfulTruth]

I think MPJ will overcome his slump shooting 3's. He plays D and is a team guy. His salary is much more justified than Murray's. Jamal is the key, he lives off a reputation earned in one hot playoff run but he hasnt been close to that ever since. I think people give him a pass because every now and then he makes clutch shots but they forget that it was also him putting them into the situation they had to make a clutch shot. He is a bone headed selfish low IQ chucker with a ton of insecurities. Ultimately he will sacrifice the game to prove a point.

I want Jamal gone. Also not very convinced by the coaching...theres too much showboating and talking and media awareness and not enough accountability both towards the players and himself. Hes not the Pop type of coach who will sit and observe for most of the game and only gives directions a few times; he acts like he's the conductor of the orchester, calling for every play, every screen, switch etc.. But then he cant claim all the blame is on the players. Besides that, we all know its just for the cameras, and Joker is the real coach.

[Bobbymcgee]

Nothing.

Jokic, Murray, Gordan, and Porter Jr. consume too much cap space for them to rebuild a championship contender team.

The only hope is that their young guys continue to grow and that they can make one more title run before it is time to blow up the team.

[manlisten]

As bad as the Nuggets are and as much as I hate them, they're probably just a Dennis Schroeder away from turning their season around.

[Edrees]

play as hard against every team as they do against the Lakers. it would solve everything. It is a 100% a mental issue for them. for example murray missed the wizards game but he still plays against the lakers even when injured

[MrBigShot]

Their biggest issue is that Murary picked up where he left off from the playoffs and olympics last year. He is one of the worst starting PGs in the league right now.

You don't know which Jamal Murray you are going to get come playoff time. He has so much variation in his play, and his health is questionable at this point. People criticizing MPJ a lot but he's having a good year for the most part.

[xchange55]

I've been saying Murray is overrated for the past 2 years and I got nothing but down votes. I said he never made an all star team and all I heard was well the west is stacked and he's better than some all stars. I guess it's just how the wind blows.

I think the Nuggest miss KCP. Good defender and perfect fit for their roster as a floor spacing 3p shooter.

[Lala870]

I think MPJ will overcome his slump shooting 3's. He plays D and is a team guy. His salary is much more justified than Murray's.

Michael "they defended me too well" porter jr.