New NBA All-Star Format Announced

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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#41 » by NyKnicks1714 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:37 am

mkot wrote:40 points seem low in today's NBA?

Why are they so afraid to make it Team USA vs Team World? It's so simple. I'm sure either side want to lose and will compete hard NOT to lose.


It doesn't work with the voting. The US player pool is much higher and for USA vs World to happen there would be several egregious snubs. Last year of the 26 All-stars (including the 2 replacements), there were only 5 international players. This year we'll see more, probably in the 8-10 range if I had to guess, but it still doesn't work.
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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#42 » by Sofia » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:02 am

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zimpy27 wrote:Needs more bells and whistles

I hope the courts are so brightly colored my eyes hurt


I hope the celebrities are so plentiful that my eyes hurt

Looking forward to the Intuit dome All Star Game when Michael B Jordan falls down the stairs from 30 feet up the wall
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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#43 » by zimpy27 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:26 am

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Sofia wrote:I hope the courts are so brightly colored my eyes hurt


I hope the celebrities are so plentiful that my eyes hurt

Looking forward to the Intuit dome All Star Game when Michael B Jordan falls down the stairs from 30 feet up the wall


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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#44 » by hardenASG13 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:44 am

levon wrote:Lol the whole tourney is going to last 30 minutes. That target score is way too low.


It's the same score/format as the regular rising stars tournament isn't it? That lasts longer than 30 minutes. I'm sure there will be musical acts etc too, they'll drag it out a couple of hours.
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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#45 » by heatwillbeback » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:52 am

The one thing I like is Rising Stars get a spot. Young guns coming for all stars can be fun.

But I’m still old school. Give me East vs West and stop the nonsense.
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Post#46 » by bkkrh » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:03 am

So, to translate, there is a lot more dead air and space for TV ads while waiting for games to start. I feel that is the current trend, the same as with the two-day draft.

At this point it feels pathetic that a Billion Dollar business seems to come up with no new ideas besides "let's get the Inside the NBA guys involved and let's make it a tournament."

What would be really cool would be something like a 1 on 1 tournament. Leave the All Star game how it is, just find a way to make players care more about it.
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Post#47 » by LAvision » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:10 am

benhillboy wrote:Once I saw that the TNT crew were gonna be seriously involved I lost the drop of interest I had.

And if I see a preview thumbnail for this latest Shaq attention-seeking podcast again on YouTube I’m gonna end it all.


This, inside the nba involvement equals DOA.
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Post#48 » by miamiheat319 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:47 pm

One thing about Adam silver that mf loves a tournament
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Post#49 » by xchange55 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:06 pm

JJ_PR wrote:It's sad that Silver has to beg these insanely rich athletes to actually try and make the game competitive. It's one of the biggest events on the schedule; millions of people will be watching. What do fans want? They want to see them compete. It's the least these players can do, give the fans what they want. If it wasn't for fans, some of these guys would be working at McDonald's.

I don't think fans enjoy seeing the best players in the world compete at 20% of their ability during the all-star game.


The players don't want to risk getting hurt in a meaningless game. Some guys are playing for title contention and the ASG is the final run to the playoff seeding. Maybe others are playing for contracts in the offseason. No matter what you do in the ASG, it has not impact on anything really.

Did you know Ja Morant is cutting down on in game dunks this season to prevent injury? He still dunks, but I saw game where he had a fast break and only layed it in.
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Post#50 » by mademan » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:14 pm

I dont know why the NBA all star game gets a bad rep but other sports dont. The Pro Bowl isnt fun to watch either

These are non competitive games because, at root, the players are playing for nothing. There is no easy way to change that
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Post#51 » by Lalouie » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:38 pm

here's a start...silver has said he realizes the players don't care

that's where you can start,,,with the coming to terms that players won't try. now at least you can build a circus format around that

i still say 48 stars in 6ixteen 3man teams picked RANDOMLY < this is key because i want to see the potential of jokic/giannis/embiid versus curry/lillard/luka

in a 1and done tourney. each game race to 10(or whatever) single scores. you can have two game going on at a time or reformat the arena for 4 games at a time. have it over two days of all at once

like t&f where several things are going on at once
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Post#52 » by phanman » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:08 pm

bkkrh wrote:What would be really cool would be something like a 1 on 1 tournament. Leave the All Star game how it is, just find a way to make players care more about it.

Player's already have too much pride in taking a 5v5 game seriously or even join the Dunk Contest. Do you really think they can put their ego aside and join a 1v1 tournament?

Also leaving the All Star game how it is exactly how we ended up the lacklustre product we see today. The league and Adam have been trying all sorts of things to get the players to care, but it isn't as simple as you make it out to be. Unfortunately if the big dogs don't care, there's a trickle down effect for the newer selections.
mademan wrote:I dont know why the NBA all star game gets a bad rep but other sports dont. The Pro Bowl isnt fun to watch either

These are non competitive games because, at root, the players are playing for nothing. There is no easy way to change that

It's because the All Star games used to be competitive and a premier sporting event for the NBA.

2020 was the last good one we had when they first introduced the ELAM ending.
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Post#53 » by Billl » Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:42 pm

I'm hopeful. It's an all-star game, so I'm not sure anyone is ever going to take it seriously, but at least this has a chance at being interesting. Hopefully teams will do less of this "let's take turn scoring" thing if it's capped at 40.

The only format I can see guys just naturally being competitive in would be street style "you make it you take it" type game to 21. Nobody wants to get clowned on national tv by just letting the other team score over and over and you never get the ball back.
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Post#54 » by shrink » Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm

heatwillbeback wrote:The one thing I like is Rising Stars get a spot. Young guns coming for all stars can be fun.

But I’m still old school. Give me East vs West and stop the nonsense.

I don’t think you can save it, but maybe you pluck out the international for one team, have an east and a west team from the remainder, and then the rising stars to make four teams?
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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#55 » by bkkrh » Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm

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bkkrh wrote:What would be really cool would be something like a 1 on 1 tournament. Leave the All Star game how it is, just find a way to make players care more about it.

Player's already have too much pride in taking a 5v5 game seriously or even join the Dunk Contest. Do you really think they can put their ego aside and join a 1v1 tournament?

Also leaving the All Star game how it is exactly how we ended up the lacklustre product we see today. The league and Adam have been trying all sorts of things to get the players to care, but it isn't as simple as you make it out to be. Unfortunately if the big dogs don't care, there's a trickle down effect for the newer selections.
mademan wrote:I dont know why the NBA all star game gets a bad rep but other sports dont. The Pro Bowl isnt fun to watch either

These are non competitive games because, at root, the players are playing for nothing. There is no easy way to change that

It's because the All Star games used to be competitive and a premier sporting event for the NBA.

2020 was the last good one we had when they first introduced the ELAM ending.


Depends on how you set it up. Decent price money split it in let's say 3 groups, players up to 6-4, players up to 6-7, 6-8, and taller players. Doesn't need to be the best players in the league to be entertaining and can actually pay off for those players. Being officially one of the best one-on-one players in the league might get you a better offer in free agency and give you some visibility. Imagine someone like Rafer Alston going to work here. As mentioned I don't think you need big names here, similar to the 3-point contest. It would be a great way for young talent to show their skills. Dream scenario, players wanting to settle beef between each other by playing 1 on 1.

About Adam Silver at least trying something, yes that's generally good. It's just not addressing the root cause. Will players care more if they have to play multiple games? Is there now not a bigger reason to just shoot more 3s, because I need to get to 40 as quickly as possible? Is there any reason for fans to watch the first games and not just wait for the final one?

The players don't care because after all it is a game without meaning. Nobody really cares about who won the game or All Star MVP. Most people in here won't know which team won 3 seasons ago, or who won MVP. People bring up how often people got nominated for the All-Star Game, not how many All-Star Games a player won.

There should be no need for the league to do anything to motivate players to perform at an award game. That's like saying what can the MTV Video Music Awards do to make sure that the artists performing there give a good performance? In the end, all they can do and should do is get the players and their agents in their room and make clear to them that they are hurting their own and the league's brand.

At the same time, what the All-Star coaches can do is set an example. Make it clear to the players that they'll bench them for the rest of the game if they don't show effort. Don't nominate players again in the future who didn't show effort in the past, backed up by the league. It simply starts and ends with not treating star players like spoiled children. You might say that won't work, but it works like that in European Basketball and Soccer.
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Post#56 » by phanman » Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:51 pm

bkkrh wrote:Depends on how you set it up. Decent price money split it in let's say 3 groups, players up to 6-4, players up to 6-7, 6-8, and taller players. Doesn't need to be the best players in the league to be entertaining and can actually pay off for those players. Being officially one of the best one-on-one players in the league might get you a better offer in free agency and give you some visibility. Imagine someone like Rafer Alston going to work here. As mentioned I don't think you need big names here, similar to the 3-point contest. It would be a great way for young talent to show their skills. Dream scenario, players wanting to settle beef between each other by playing 1 on 1.

Considering the prize pool for the actual All Star game this year is only 1.8m this year to split across 32 different players, I don't think they have the necessary funds to make it worthwhile. I'd also disagree completely that you don't need best players/stars to participate because its a marquee event and nobody is going to tune into role players duking it out. Look at Mac McClung in the dunk contest, yes he was one of the best participant's we've ever had but it just didn't pop the same because he is fringe NBA player.

In regards to the 3pt contest, you might want to take a look at who they get to participate every year. There's a reason why it's the event of the weekend and it's largely due to guys like Dame, KAT, Steph etc shooting.
bkkrh wrote:About Adam Silver at least trying something, yes that's generally good. It's just not addressing the root cause. Will players care more if they have to play multiple games? Is there now not a bigger reason to just shoot more 3s, because I need to get to 40 as quickly as possible? Is there any reason for fans to watch the first games and not just wait for the final one?

Well for one, the games are going to be a lot shorter with a target score of just 40pts. With roster of 8 guys vs 12, there is also going to more playing time for everybody involved to get invested in the outcome. The reason to watch every game is because it it will feature at minimum 8 of the best players so far. The group that will likely make up the Rising Stars will also heavily feature last year's stacked draft class with Wemby, Chet, Miller, Lively, Thompson twins etc.
bkkrh wrote:The players don't care because after all it is a game without meaning. Nobody really cares about who won the game or All Star MVP. Most people in here won't know which team won 3 seasons ago, or who won MVP. People bring up how often people got nominated for the All-Star Game, not how many All-Star Games a player won.

Player's not caring is the reason why the game has been altered so heavily in recent years. There used to a some pride in the old East vs West but that eventually faded and we got stuck with the recent infatuation of drafting players. Players to a degree do care about winning All Star MVP but I agree that it's ultimately not that important, just a something to check off.
bkkrh wrote:There should be no need for the league to do anything to motivate players to perform at an award game. That's like saying what can the MTV Video Music Awards do to make sure that the artists performing there give a good performance? In the end, all they can do and should do is get the players and their agents in their room and make clear to them that they are hurting their own and the league's brand.
At the same time, what the All-Star coaches can do is set an example. Make it clear to the players that they'll bench them for the rest of the game if they don't show effort. Don't nominate players again in the future who didn't show effort in the past, backed up by the league. It simply starts and ends with not treating star players like spoiled children. You might say that won't work, but it works like that in European Basketball and Soccer.

Your right there shouldn't be a need for the league to intervene but with the game in the state it is in now, they needed to do something. Maybe drastically changing the format will help? - Maybe it won't they couldn't afford to just let it be since the league treats the weekend as premier sporting event to showcase it's stars. They tried last year to motivate the guys by brining in former legends for a pep talk/rally and we all seen how last year's game played out.

I highly doubt the coaches will have any influence. It's not like they're installing any real sets during their time. Punishing guys by not selecting them as All Stars in future seasons because they didn't put in any effort in the previous All Star game makes no sense.
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Re: New NBA All-Star Format Announced 

Post#57 » by maxpower8888 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:58 pm

They'll throw all the **** at the wall to try to fix the All-Star game when all they have to do is make it more competitive. Incentivize the players financially to compete. Not some chump change like they do for the NBA Cup, but something like $5 mill to the winning team and $500k to the MVP.
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Post#58 » by Apz » Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:58 pm

Only the winning team of the allstar game gets the payrises and such, probably only way for them to get them to want to win
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Post#59 » by ItsDanger » Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:02 pm

The players DGAF. Watching it recently is like looking at a car accident. But curiosity has disappeared, I'll probably skip it entirely.
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Post#60 » by picc » Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:05 pm

I actually suggested this last year but didn't think it would actually happen.

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picc wrote:Make it a tournament like they did with the rising stars and the competitive level will take care of itself. No matter how much you want to rest the idea of being “eliminated” by a rival team will ha e them get up.


This is a good thing because these guys can't help but care if being eliminated from something is on the line. Takes them back to their AAU days probably.
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