Who will likely end up as the Steve Nash, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone of this era?

[sp6r=underrated]

Harden

James Harden and Chris Paul are the correct answer for the over 30 players. Jokic and Giannis already have one title so they aren't going to end up in the "can't win a title with this great player because of silly reason X" group but they are likely to end up with a lot less championships than players of their caliber usually end up with.

Due to basketball's demented ring culture they are likely to get criticized for it.

[sp6r=underrated]

Nash was just overrated.

Casual

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

Which year did Shaq deserve an MVP that he didn't win it for?

[1993Playoffs]

I don’t actually think Luka in LA will lead to anything noteworthy imo.

[dhsilv2]

Casual

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

Which year did Shaq deserve an MVP that he didn't win it for?

2001 both Shaq and Duncan had a great case for it. Then somehow AI got it...

[liquidswords]

Harden and Luka which is interesting if you think about what they have in common...

[sp6r=underrated]

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

Which year did Shaq deserve an MVP that he didn't win it for?

2001 both Shaq and Duncan had a great case for it. Then somehow AI got it...

My frustration with the "OMG Shaq only has one MVP crowd" isn't that they think he should have won more MVPs. I see two other seasons where a credible case can be made for him winning MVP: 2001 and 1995. My frustration with this crowd is they treat him as an obvious MVP candidate for all of those other seasons when it really does hold up to scrutiny if you look at his RS.

[dhsilv2]

Which year did Shaq deserve an MVP that he didn't win it for?

2001 both Shaq and Duncan had a great case for it. Then somehow AI got it...

My frustration with the "OMG Shaq only has one MVP crowd" isn't that they think he should have won more MVPs. I see two other seasons where a credible case can be made for him winning MVP: 2001 and 1995. My frustration with this crowd is they treat him as an obvious MVP candidate for all of those other seasons when it really does hold up to scrutiny if you look at his RS.

99 is another one I would think. But frankly I'd have given it to Duncan and Malone. Agree 100%, Shaq was the best player in 2000 by a mile. 2001 he and Duncan were close enough. After that the man started missing games while the MVP's were playing 80ish.

Where things get annoying is the whole "nash has as many MVP's as Kobe and Shaq". Well ok? So what? Nobody ranks nash ahead of them. He was just the MVP twice and they weren't. And it was perfectly reasonable for Kobe and Shaq to have 2 combined.

[sp6r=underrated]

2001 both Shaq and Duncan had a great case for it. Then somehow AI got it...

My frustration with the "OMG Shaq only has one MVP crowd" isn't that they think he should have won more MVPs. I see two other seasons where a credible case can be made for him winning MVP: 2001 and 1995. My frustration with this crowd is they treat him as an obvious MVP candidate for all of those other seasons when it really does hold up to scrutiny if you look at his RS.

99 is another one I would think. But frankly I'd have given it to Duncan and Malone. Agree 100%, Shaq was the best player in 2000 by a mile. 2001 he and Duncan were close enough. After that the man started missing games while the MVP's were playing 80ish.

Where things get annoying is the whole "nash has as many MVP's as Kobe and Shaq". Well ok? So what? Nobody ranks nash ahead of them. He was just the MVP twice and they weren't. And it was perfectly reasonable for Kobe and Shaq to have 2 combined.

The 99 club really underacheived relative to the 97-98 Lakers. And the supporting cast on that club relative to era was good. I wouldn't have voted for Shaq.

The real MVP years he lost IMO were 97-99, 01-02. If he kept himself in shape so he played more and took RS defense more seriously he would have won more MVPs.

[chrisab123]

Harden

This is the correct answer. Throw in CP3 and Westbrook as well.

[yannisk]

Luka is still young, plays in LA that usually attracts free agents and has had great playoff performances. I expect him to win more than one but you never know.

the obvious choices are Harden and Paul

Embiid has been injured and generally underwhelming in the playoffs, judging from his gold with the USA team I expect him to ring chase a lot. If he manages to be around for a few years maybe he gets a ring in the Bill Walton on the Celtics role

[AbeVigodaLive]

Edwards, Doncic and Brunson come to mind. The Lakers are just so ass in the frontcourt, idk how u fix that quickly, seems like Luka is potentially shaping up tho, still a long shot vs Thunder, Pacers?, Spurs?, Nuggets? (Murray shapes up again, injury free MPJ they are contenders again). I dont believe in the Wolves unless they find out the Gobert situation, not working.

Edwards is only 23. LOL. I don't think the next couple years with Gobert will define his entire career.

I doubt he wins one in Minnesota... but there are so many unknowns that I wouldn't put anyone with that much success at that young of an age on such a list.

[bubbleball]

Harden and Chris Paul for the older guard. Though I think a lot of players for this upcoming era could end up fitting the bill. With the new CBA, we might see a lot of stars only get one chance if that to play in the Finals and win.

[Dan33185]

Durant

[Lalouie]

ANT

the wolves are fool's gold. they have an "also ran" type season record and ant just puts up numbers

it doesn't take much thinking to add lillard, harden, embiid, and cp3 -they've had their chance at this point.

trae
booker
banchero
ja
zion

[schnakenpopanz]

ANT

the wolves are fool's gold. they have an "also ran" type season record and ant just puts up numbers

it doesn't take much thinking to add lillard, harden, embiid, and cp3 -they've had their chance at this point.

trae
booker
banchero
ja
zion

come on man, i like the players you listed, but none of them has been yet in MVP discussion while the ones i mentioned won MVPs without getting the ring or in Nash's case even finals.This would not make Booker > Nash just because he wen further in post season. Nash played vs one of the best teams ever during his run.

[CobraCommander]

First you gotta be a MVP or at least a first team all
NBA Caliber player -

Then you start the list Harden, Westbrook, CP3, Paul George, Booker, Luka, Embiid, ant, towns, Brunson, Hali Zion, ja, Trae, and Lillard are the guys on that list -

Then from there it’s the ability to put together a healthy run with a talented roster-

Then you need enough years left with a championship level org


And with that said only PG and Harden and CP3 and Dame seem to guys that hit all the boxes -

Everyone else has time

[Lalouie]

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[Lalouie]

ANT

the wolves are fool's gold. they have an "also ran" type season record and ant just puts up numbers

it doesn't take much thinking to add lillard, harden, embiid, and cp3 -they've had their chance at this point.

trae
booker
banchero
ja
zion

come on man, i like the players you listed, but none of them has been yet in MVP discussion while the ones i mentioned won MVPs without getting the ring or in Nash's case even finals.This would not make Booker > Nash just because he wen further in post season. Nash played vs one of the best teams ever during his run.

i missed the mvp part

westbrook,, to my possible dismay

i'll throw in a hot take and say wemby,,,,,if he keeps thinking he's kevin durant

[Lala870]

Chris Paul and Melo stick out to me

I could see Paul George and Donavon Mitchell also fitting this mold down the road

[tonyreyes123]

Lol why are people naming players whose careers are 80-90% over?

For the new guys:
Embiid
Brunson
Booker
Trae