What NBA myths can you dispel?

[Ito]

I think there is a myth in America that young Ricky Rubio was European mens basketball superstar, tho he really wasn't. He was super advanced for his age, but he was one of those guys who was projected to fit NBA basketball style way better than European style, and that turned out to be the case. In Europe, he was intangibles guy who is way better than his stats, but his actual stats were not very good at all, Luka Doncic he wasn't.

But Ricky Rubio prolly didnt live up to the initial hype but he had game (they wanted an offensive star and he was just a good play maker) Luka out here just going Hollywood or they are forcing him I thought Trae was better at first might end up with the better Career (maybe too soon to call but this just a message board)

[FarBeyondDriven]

the false narrative that Jordan took the NBA global. The truth is Magic and Larry saved the NBA with their rivalry and brought back the masses in the US and overseas. Stern then allowed China and it's billion plus people to air games for free. The wall came down opening up Eastern Europe and Russia to the NBA. The 1992 Dream Team played at the Olympics in Barcelona bringing even more overseas fans and NBA interest. This resulted in a generation of kids growing up and international talents reaching the NBA from then on.

Sure, MJ was easily the most popular athlete in the world in the 90s and aided the NBA's growth but the stage for global reach had already been set in motion and MJ shouldn't be given sole credit for the game going global.

[Johnny Bball]

That Vince Carter was responsible for this current new generation of Canadian players (or drove it). SGA is among the oldest in this new wave of Canadians and he was 5 years old when Carter left and that was not a season to remember.

[Wingy]

Nobody is "rewriting history", you're delusional. Literally google NBA superteam, I'm not going to do the leg work on this dog water take

Defensive already. Truth hurts.

What’s wrong about the statement?

When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?

Sure you can Google and find anything you want as a one-off, but people didn’t use “superteam” regularly as part of everyday basketball fan vernacular until after the Heat.

What truth hurts? The truth that super teams have existed before Lebron, regardless of the vernacular we use?

Keep side-stepping.

“When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?”

Waiting for your non-Heat example.

[NZB2323]

the false narrative that Jordan took the NBA global. The truth is Magic and Larry saved the NBA with their rivalry and brought back the masses in the US and overseas. Stern then allowed China and it's billion plus people to air games for free. The wall came down opening up Eastern Europe and Russia to the NBA. The 1992 Dream Team played at the Olympics in Barcelona bringing even more overseas fans and NBA interest. This resulted in a generation of kids growing up and international talents reaching the NBA from then on.

Sure, MJ was easily the most popular athlete in the world in the 90s and aided the NBA's growth but the stage for global reach had already been set in motion and MJ shouldn't be given sole credit for the game going global.

Sure, but Jordan was the most popular player on the 92 Dream Team, his last Finals game has the best TV ratings of all time, his last Finals series has the record for highest rated Finals, and we can see the ratings difference with and without him.

1990 Finals: 17.19 M viewers per game
1991 Finals: 23.91M viewers per game
1993 Finals: 27.21M viewers per game
1994 Finals: 17.25M viewers per game
1995 Finals: 20.1M viewers per game
1996 Finals: 24.86M viewers per game
1998 Finals: 29.04M viewers per game
1999 Finals: 16.01M viewers per game

A lot more people watched with Jordan, the Jordan shoes became a global icon, the Jordan commercials grew the game, and “Space Jam” was an international box office success, earning $90M in America and $150-160M overseas.

The NFL is broadcast in countries overseas, but it’s not nearly as popular as the NBA abroad.

[Ken Bannister]

Nah, no myth. Just reality:

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh established the first in-prime player-created squad that gave birth to the word “superteam” ever.

Keep trying to rewrite history. Maybe one day it will stick.

Nobody is "rewriting history", you're delusional. Literally google NBA superteam, I'm not going to do the leg work on this dog water take

Defensive already. Truth hurts.

What’s wrong about the statement?

When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?

Sure you can Google and find anything you want as a one-off, but people didn’t use “superteam” regularly as part of everyday basketball fan vernacular until after the Heat.

When you broke that down about the vernacular.. i do agree.

[ScrantonBulls]

Defensive already. Truth hurts.

What’s wrong about the statement?

When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?

Sure you can Google and find anything you want as a one-off, but people didn’t use “superteam” regularly as part of everyday basketball fan vernacular until after the Heat.

What truth hurts? The truth that super teams have existed before Lebron, regardless of the vernacular we use?

Keep side-stepping.

“When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?”

Waiting for your non-Heat example.

Lol at how specific people have to get with the definition of a "superteam" on order to make sure it only applies to the Heatles so they can use it to slander LeBron.

"So in order to be a superteam, you need to have 3 all stars discussing the possibility of joining together specifically in the city of Miami, and the best player of the 3 has to announce their decision on live television while wearing a checkered button.

Therefore, the LeBron-Wade-Bosh Heat are the only superteam!1"

The mental gymnastics are top tier.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lebron “carried” the 2007 Cavs to the Finals. Total myth. Sure, Lebron played a big role for the Cavs but to suggest he single handily carried them to the Finals is disingenuous. Look at the numbers below:

Game 1: Ilguakas 22 pts, 13 rebs (Lebron 10 pts, 5-15 FG, 33%)
Game 2: Varejao 14 pts, 14 rebs (Lebron 19 pts)
Game 3 : Three Cavs players with double digits scoring.
Game 4: Gibson 21 pts, Gooden 19 pts, both with 57 FG%
Game 6: Gibson 31 pts, 85 FG% (Lebron 20 pts, 3-13 FG, 23%)

Lebron wasn’t getting out of the ECF in ‘07 if Ilguakas, Varejao, Gibson and Gooden didn’t show up. Everyone remembers his game 5 performance (48 pts) but conveniently forgets the rest of the series. Also, if you’re going to credit Lebron for dragging his team to the ‘07 Finals, you have to blame him for his atrocious Finals performance when he got swept. You can’t have it both ways.

Bruh lol

2007 Cavs Playoffs

LeBron: 44.7 MPG, 25 PPG 8 APG 8 RPG

Hughes: 36 MPG, 11 PPG 2 APG 4 RPG

Big Z: 33 MPG, 13 PPG 1 APG 10 RPG

Gooden: 30 MPG, 11PPG 1 APG 8 RPG

Andy: 22 MPG, 6 PPG 6 RPG

Pavlovic: 30 MPG, 9 PPG 2 APG 3 RPG

B. Gibson: 20 MPG, 8 PPG 1 APG 2 RPG

Marshall: 10 MPG, 4 PPG 2 RPG

Snow: 12 MPG, 2 PPG 2 APG 2 RPG

Yes, LeBron carried this band of misfits to the Finals. How are you trying to reimagine this any other way? SMFH

You’re missing my point. Lebron’s teammates had big games when they needed to. If Z didn’t produce in game 1, the Cavs lose cause Lebron stunk it up with just 10 points. If Gibson didn’t show in game 6, the Cavs lose again cause Lebron stunk it up by shooting 23% from the floor. His teammates didn’t play great in every game of the series - they played great in games when Lebron didn’t. They carried him in those games.

Also, let's be clear... The guy who put up 20 points, 14 assists, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and 2 blocks was the guy who needed to be carried in game 6, correct?

Tell me you never watched first Cavs stint LeBron, without telling me you never watched first Cavs stint LeBron lol

[Handlez]

What truth hurts? The truth that super teams have existed before Lebron, regardless of the vernacular we use?

Keep side-stepping.

“When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?”

Waiting for your non-Heat example.

Lol at how specific people have to get with the definition of a "superteam" on order to make sure it only applies to the Heatles so they can use it to slander LeBron.

"So in order to be a superteam, you need to have 3 all stars discussing the possibility of joining together specifically in the city of Miami, and the best player of the 3 has to announce their decision on live television while wearing a checkered button.

Therefore, the LeBron-Wade-Bosh Heat are the only superteam!1"

The mental gymnastics are top tier.

When have 3 prime stars colluded to build a super team before the Heatles?

Big names have come together a lot, but as I recall, they were not in their primes.

Bron and Wade, especially, were arguably the two best players in the conference, but instead of yearly battles, they joined together with another top 10 player in the conference, seeking the elimination of any serious competition until the finals.

[DC_Melo]

lebron is a pass first player,,, he's not. he has a higher fga/game than kobe

Yeesh, talk about taking stats out of context.

Yes, LeBron has a career average of 19.6 FGA/game to Kobe’s 19.5.

However, LeBron has always been the key guy to his team, up until now as he passes that role to Luka, starting his rookie season. Kobe was averaging 5.8 FGA/game as a rookie. Lebron averaged 18.9 his rookie year.

It took Kobe 5 seasons to get a big enough role offensively to put up that many shots, but when he did he put up 22.2 his 5th year. One of 5 seasons where he averaged at least 22 attempts a game, with a max of 27.2 in 2006-07. Lebron has only average at least 22 attempts twice and maxes out at 23.1 his third year, despite playing much of his career on teams with higher pace. Lebron might have a higher raw FGA/game, but he has never shot at the volume Kobe did during the bulk of his career. Any advanced stat measuring volume will tell the same story.

Sorry if I’m off topic, this was just a wild stat to throw out there to try to prove whatever point you’re trying to prove.

[ScrantonBulls]

Keep side-stepping.

“When did in-prime greats of the day ever decide amongst themselves to join together previously?”

Waiting for your non-Heat example.

Lol at how specific people have to get with the definition of a "superteam" on order to make sure it only applies to the Heatles so they can use it to slander LeBron.

"So in order to be a superteam, you need to have 3 all stars discussing the possibility of joining together specifically in the city of Miami, and the best player of the 3 has to announce their decision on live television while wearing a checkered button.

Therefore, the LeBron-Wade-Bosh Heat are the only superteam!1"

The mental gymnastics are top tier.

When have 3 prime stars colluded to build a super team before the Heatles?

Big names have come together a lot, but as I recall, they were not in their primes.

Bron and Wade, especially, were arguably the two best players in the conference, but instead of yearly battles, they joined together with another top 10 player in the conference, seeking the elimination of any serious competition until the finals.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superteams_in_the_NBA

The guy claimed they were the first superteam. He was wrong.

[ScrantonBulls]

lebron is a pass first player,,, he's not. he has a higher fga/game than kobe

Yeesh, talk about taking stats out of context.

Yes, LeBron has a career average of 19.6 FGA/game to Kobe’s 19.5.

However, LeBron has always been the key guy to his team, up until now as he passes that role to Luka, starting his rookie season. Kobe was averaging 5.8 FGA/game as a rookie. Lebron averaged 18.9 his rookie year.

It took Kobe 5 seasons to get a big enough role offensively to put up that many shots, but when he did he put up 22.2 his 5th year. One of 5 seasons where he averaged at least 22 attempts a game, with a max of 27.2 in 2006-07. Lebron has only average at least 22 attempts twice and maxes out at 23.1 his third year, despite playing much of his career on teams with higher pace. Lebron might have a higher raw FGA/game, but he has never shot at the volume Kobe did during the bulk of his career. Any advanced stat measuring volume will tell the same story.

Sorry if I’m off topic, this was just a wild stat to throw out there to try to prove whatever point you’re trying to prove.

Yeah, that made no sense. Using fga/game is hilarious when Kobe didn't play all that many minutes his first 2 seasons. Lalouie

[JimmyFromNz]

The one that always comes to mind for me is the myth that LeBron caused the super team epidemic that apparently was "ruining the league". Superteams have been happening forever, they were just over-highlighted publicly in the social media era.

I see a few disagree with you here, and I do too, but for slightly different reasoning.

As you've put it 'causing the superteam epidemic' is quite different from the notion there were 'no super teams beforehand' and that seems to be conflated. Of course there were super teams prior, across multiple decades, and yes the 2008 Celtics were a trade constructed super team built upon by very different means.

The real criticism against the Lebron era Heatles, is that there had not before been a level of free agent collusion between superstars to form a team in these circumstances. That is a coordinated effort by all three (whilst taking small pay cuts) to form a new star studded top heavy team.

There was really no precedent for this. The Decision broke the behavioural seal for how many stars (and their agents) used leverage with NBA teams to get to the most favourable circumstances regardless of collateral - particularly between 2010-2020.

Whether that is right or wrong is another debate, but it is hardly a myth the Decision had a huge influence on team construction during that era.

[DC_Melo]

the false narrative that Jordan took the NBA global. The truth is Magic and Larry saved the NBA with their rivalry and brought back the masses in the US and overseas. Stern then allowed China and it's billion plus people to air games for free. The wall came down opening up Eastern Europe and Russia to the NBA. The 1992 Dream Team played at the Olympics in Barcelona bringing even more overseas fans and NBA interest. This resulted in a generation of kids growing up and international talents reaching the NBA from then on.

Sure, MJ was easily the most popular athlete in the world in the 90s and aided the NBA's growth but the stage for global reach had already been set in motion and MJ shouldn't be given sole credit for the game going global.

Sure, but Jordan was the most popular player on the 92 Dream Team, his last Finals game has the best TV ratings of all time, his last Finals series has the record for highest rated Finals, and we can see the ratings difference with and without him.

1990 Finals: 17.19 M viewers per game
1991 Finals: 23.91M viewers per game
1993 Finals: 27.21M viewers per game
1994 Finals: 17.25M viewers per game
1995 Finals: 20.1M viewers per game
1996 Finals: 24.86M viewers per game
1998 Finals: 29.04M viewers per game
1999 Finals: 16.01M viewers per game

A lot more people watched with Jordan, the Jordan shoes became a global icon, the Jordan commercials grew the game, and “Space Jam” was an international box office success, earning $90M in America and $150-160M overseas.

The NFL is broadcast in countries overseas, but it’s not nearly as popular as the NBA abroad.

Yea, while there was some existing infrastructure to help the game go global thanks to Stern, Bird, Magic, etc… Jordan took the game onto the global center stage and got everyone to love it.

I was born in Europe in 84… Jordan was the one and only thing that mattered basketball-wise growing up across the pond. And any other player or team mentioned was always done in comparison to Jordan. He sucked us all in

[Lalouie]

lebron is a pass first player,,, he's not. he has a higher fga/game than kobe

Yeesh, talk about taking stats out of context.

Yes, LeBron has a career average of 19.6 FGA/game to Kobe’s 19.5.

However, LeBron has always been the key guy to his team, up until now as he passes that role to Luka, starting his rookie season. Kobe was averaging 5.8 FGA/game as a rookie. Lebron averaged 18.9 his rookie year.

It took Kobe 5 seasons to get a big enough role offensively to put up that many shots, but when he did he put up 22.2 his 5th year. One of 5 seasons where he averaged at least 22 attempts a game, with a max of 27.2 in 2006-07. Lebron has only average at least 22 attempts twice and maxes out at 23.1 his third year, despite playing much of his career on teams with higher pace. Lebron might have a higher raw FGA/game, but he has never shot at the volume Kobe did during the bulk of his career. Any advanced stat measuring volume will tell the same story.

Sorry if I’m off topic, this was just a wild stat to throw out there to try to prove whatever point you’re trying to prove.

Yeah, that made no sense. Using fga/game is hilarious when Kobe didn't play all that many minutes his first 2 seasons. Lalouie

all he ever did was maintain his 28ppg even at miami where he had plenty of ammo

[SNPA]

That Ron Harper was an all-star. He never made an all-star team.

That the Bulls made the ECF in 1994. They lost in the 2nd round.

That the NBA draft lottery is rigged. There’s no evidence of this, only the birthday problem, and the NBA didn’t rig the lottery for the Knicks to get Melo, and we just got a Pacers-Thunders Finals. We’ve never got a leak about this, from any owner, GM, coach, reporter, Donald Sterling or his mistress. The NBA is rigged people have as much evidence and logic as the ancient aliens guy.

That David Stern made Jordan retire. Stern was a capitalist who loved making money. Jordan was a money machine.

That Jordan was responsible for his dad dying. There is no evidence that 2 robbers who killed Jordan’s father had any connection to Jordan placing large bets while playing golf. It was trash reporting at the time and if we had twitter back then people would be destroying them for it.

That Kobe is the most clutch player. Kobe was very skilled at shooting and was not afraid to take the last shot, but the stats don’t back up this claim.

lol. Rigging isn’t the right word for officiating but you did get a leak (not talking draft…yet). Stern then said “rogue criminal” and many people (perhaps you?) ignored it. But Pacers-Thunder and ancient aliens are good points too.

[ArksNetsSince99]

NY Knicks fans …

Geographically Brooklyn is located in New Jersey

[jfs1000d]

That Tim Duncan was the best player at any point during his career.

The trasitions went from Jordan to Shaq to Kobe to LeBron. And you could argue that LeBron has been the best player since 2006, making his reign as the best for over a decade.

Duncan, not Jordan, is the superstar who is most view with rose tinted lenses. He was never as good as people say he is today. Go back to 2010 and you'd get laughed at for claiming Duncan is top 10 all time. Now its not uncommon to see some folks list him top 5 all time.

lol. Dude was legit best player in the league.


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[jfs1000d]

That Tim Duncan was the best player at any point during his career.

The trasitions went from Jordan to Shaq to Kobe to LeBron. And you could argue that LeBron has been the best player since 2006, making his reign as the best for over a decade.

Duncan, not Jordan, is the superstar who is most view with rose tinted lenses. He was never as good as people say he is today. Go back to 2010 and you'd get laughed at for claiming Duncan is top 10 all time. Now its not uncommon to see some folks list him top 5 all time.

He clearly was in 1999 and 2003.

People act like Kobe was better than Duncan. No one thought they back in the early 2000s.

I loved Kobe. But he is starting to become a tad bit overrated.


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[OriAr]

That Tim Duncan was the best player at any point during his career.

The trasitions went from Jordan to Shaq to Kobe to LeBron. And you could argue that LeBron has been the best player since 2006, making his reign as the best for over a decade.

Duncan, not Jordan, is the superstar who is most view with rose tinted lenses. He was never as good as people say he is today. Go back to 2010 and you'd get laughed at for claiming Duncan is top 10 all time. Now its not uncommon to see some folks list him top 5 all time.

He clearly was in 1999 and 2003.

People act like Kobe was better than Duncan. No one thought they back in the early 2000s.

I loved Kobe. But he is starting to become a tad bit overrated.


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Duncan and Shaq were clearly the top 2 players in the 1998-2005 timeframe.
After that it became Kobe's and LeBron's league.