Denver nuggets vs Los angeles lakers 7 game series

[corona]

What Stat are you looking at Corona?

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2008/index.htm

We are 8th in DE and 8th in OE

i was referring to utah's defensive efficiency this & last year. i know the lakers have improved (though denver's still better).

They can't dominate the boards and they play no defense.

oh please. that's the same tired and worn out argument people have used for the last year+, and its false.
i'd love for you to try to back that up with statistics.

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(i'll respond more when i get back from work)

[semi-sentient]

Lakers sweep.

[hermes]

lakers in 6.

bynum will be a force come playoff time
and kobe will be kobe

[That Nicka]

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What do you mena by this? He averages 23.3 ppg in the playoffs. How is that producing like only Kobe can do?

You know his first two years (as a 18 and 19 year old) he was playing behind an All-Star in Eddie Jones right? Those two years bring down his average by a lot

Take out those two years and he is averaging 26 ppg in the playoffs... Since 2001 especially, he has been a beast in the playoffs averaging 28 ppg

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_brya ... stats.html

[floris_]

There are way too many delusional Laker fans on this forum.

Denver is loaded with talent and Lakers only got Bryant. Bynum will disappear at the end of the season like the rookie he is. Fisher is just a roleplayer who will be shooting 40% come playoff time. Odom will be able to come up with a brand new injury in April.

Denver is such a great team. If it wasnt for the Spurs last year they could have gone to the finals just like the Jazz did.

[realfung]

I think the Denver will win......forget about the Lakers' recent bubble....

Denver is better.......when you come to playoffs series...

1. Ai + Melo = 60 pts, 15 assists, 15 boards
2. Bynum will be schooled by Camby and Martin
3. Kobe will be selfish again.

[TonyMontana]

The Lakers would beat them in the regular season.

Would?
They already have ,Twice , so ya I would say the Lakers .

[That Nicka]

There are way too many delusional Laker fans on this forum.

Denver is loaded with talent and Lakers only got Bryant. Bynum will disappear at the end of the season like the rookie he is. Fisher is just a roleplayer who will be shooting 40% come playoff time. Odom will be able to come up with a brand new injury in April.

Denver is such a great team. If it wasnt for the Spurs last year they could have gone to the finals just like the Jazz did.

I think the Denver will win......forget about the Lakers' recent bubble....

Denver is better.......when you come to playoffs series...

1. Ai + Melo = 60 pts, 15 assists, 15 boards
2. Bynum will be schooled by Camby and Martin
3. Kobe will be selfish again.

only on RealGM will you see 2 fantastic posts like these.. back to back

[yunggunz]

The Nuggets would either have to start Diawara or pull some **** out of their ass to slow Bryant down.

i also think Phil will do a great job at exploiting the lack of shooters on the Nuggets.

However, it will be impossible for the lakers to slow both AI and Melo down, and the Lakers will have to rely too heavily on Kobe as the Nuggets have good personnel to shut the other guys down.

Would be an interesting series. Id guess lakers in 7.

[Derekman]

i think that the Lakers players would get so many open looks, that they would win in 5 or 6. Let's be realistic, who's going to guard Kobe? At least fisher and Farmar and Ariza can hold their own defensively agains most players in the league (considered average to above average defenders), but unless the nuggets attempt to play diawara plenty of minutes, the only other players in their backcourt (Iverson,CA,J.R) would get man handled by Kobe, forcing a lot of double teams creating a lot of open looks. I think Kobe presents a bigger matchup problem than Iverson and Melo.

[kobe#8]

kobe loves the nuggets..

[oaf549]

Nugget fan here, but if this series would start today the Lakers would win in 5 games. The Nuggs have a huge monkey on their back when it comes to the playoffs and so far they've pretty much underperformed the last 4 years. They'll probably say this is the year to make a run, like every year, but the fact is, we've got a coach who fails to make proper adjustments in the playoffs and in fact throws in the towel by calling out a key member of our rotation(see JR Smith, KMart) in the paper.

As far as the matchups go, I think Denver would have a shot if Nene gets back to his form that he had at the end of last season. He did a terrific job on Duncan defensively as you could hope for. I think between him and Camby the Nuggets could either get Bynum in foul trouble or get him frustrated. The bottom line is Karl will have to make adjustments (like starting Khouba defensively on Kobe, starting Nene on Bynum ect.) but will fail to do so and we'll get burned. The Lakers play good ball and are loose. The Nuggets are streaky and get cold offensively. It would be a fun matchup but ultimately, like almost any team the Nuggets face, a disaster with George Karl running the show.

[CDB]

Lakers in 6

[ChampionRed]

Lakers would win the series in 6 or 7

[Lost Angel]

Denver has a legit chance to beat LA in a 7 games series. but they won't. im not convinced that K-Mart will be able to keep it up and who knows with Camby. the key to the series is not Bynum, but Lamar Odom. if Lamar has even a barely good series, then Denver has no shot. nobody can guard Odom on Denver. the Lakers have to give away the series or if Lamar doesn't show up (which happens quite a bit)

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I've watched Ariza fairly regularily since his Knicks days, he's become an effective slasher to the basket. Aside from dunks and put backs. Not too much of a jumpshot yet.

I too have the tape. Denver simply went away from AI. If you actually watch the tape you will see that Kobe was in foul trouble due to 3 fouls that he got guarding AI. Fourth quarter came, the very first possession JR loses the ball. The possessions after that Melo shot twice and Najera once. AI doesn't receive the ball for the first two minutes of the quarter. In that time Kobe takes 3 shots and makes one. AI takes one shot and misses. JR fouls Kobe sending him to the line, JR takes the next shot driving to the lane and misses. JR takes another long three and misses. Kobe takes another shot and misses. Kenyon martin misses some free throws. Kobe misses another jumper. Carmelo misses a shot and then JR finally hits a shot. AI FINALLY gets the ball and misses. Kenyon martin scores and najera scores. JR hits some free throws. AI makes a layup. AI shoots a three pointer, kobe "blocks" the shot, no call on wrist contact. AI doesnt see the ball for the rest of the quarter, either passing to melo or JR.

The point is that Kobe took 9 shots that quarter and missed 5 of them. AI took 4 shots hitting one and getting fouled another with no call.

Clearly anyone watching that game can see that AI was not the main option and in fact JR smith and melo were given the green-light as the primary options on offense. Whereas Kobe was given the greenlight to score at will in spite of shooting like crap.

Thats a coaching issue.

One guy plays like crap and the coach has faith in him to win the game.

Another guy plays phenomenal and gets relegated to being the third option behind JR smith.

That's not defense that's coaching.

But hey like i said winners get bragging rights regardless of how ridiculous their claims may be.

[Phil Jackson]

The Lakers would win because they have Kobe Bryant.

[Teens On Acid]

this thing goes 7 games with Melo hitting the series winning pull-up jump shot from 16 ft at the buzzer


i feel like i've seen something like this before....

[dockingsched]

lakers in 4 or 5.

of the top ten teams in the west, the nuggets are the only team that worries me not.

[Ballings7]

I too have the tape.

Unless you like Kobe, and game-changing, solid defense on a star scorer - just tape over the 4th qtr since you kept the tape of the game .

Denver simply went away from AI. If you actually watch the tape you will see that Kobe was in foul trouble due to 3 fouls that he got guarding AI. Fourth quarter came, the very first possession JR loses the ball. The possessions after that Melo shot twice and Najera once. AI doesn't receive the ball for the first two minutes of the quarter. In that time Kobe takes 3 shots and makes one. AI takes one shot and misses. JR fouls Kobe sending him to the line, JR takes the next shot driving to the lane and misses. JR takes another long three and misses. Kobe takes another shot and misses. Kenyon martin misses some free throws. Kobe misses another jumper. Carmelo misses a shot and then JR finally hits a shot. AI FINALLY gets the ball and misses. Kenyon martin scores and najera scores. JR hits some free throws. AI makes a layup. AI shoots a three pointer, kobe "blocks" the shot, no call on wrist contact. AI doesnt see the ball for the rest of the quarter, either passing to melo or JR.

The point is that Kobe took 9 shots that quarter and missed 5 of them. AI took 4 shots hitting one and getting fouled another with no call.

Clearly anyone watching that game can see that AI was not the main option and in fact JR smith and melo were given the green-light as the primary options on offense.

Thats a coaching issue.

One guy plays like crap and the coach has faith in him to win the game.

Another guy plays phenomenal and gets relegated to being the third option behind JR smith.

That's not defense that's coaching.

Yes, and it was partially coaching.

Doesn't make sense for AI to stop being scoring-minded or be more balanced offensively, going as he was with 49 pts, into the 4th qtr - rather than then be pass-first (which relates to other guys getting shots), as he was for the 4th qtr. Which was significantly because of the defense, and to a lesser degree, Karl making a change. The Lakers half-court game on both ends of the court dictated things. Thus why they won that game.

That's what I came away with from that 4th qtr, like I said earlier in my posts. Along with several others in similar fashion here and back around when the game happened.

I just can't deny, though, that in the future for a possible playoff series, the defensive ability is there from the Lakers (perimeter and interior) as favorment to effectively defend AI. Along with the half-court offensive ability (as well as ability to run), to dicate the tempo of the game.

Whereas Kobe was given the greenlight to score at will in spite of shooting like crap.

Nothing wrong with that. Especially with how he played offensively in that 4th qtr.

But hey like i said winners get bragging rights regardless of how ridiculous their claims may be.

The play of the Lakers on both ends can't be dismissed. Specifically defensively. What actually happened isn't a ridiculous claim. If it was so ridiculous, there'd be more of a balance in the feelings of people who saw that game. From what I remember in threads relating to that game (there were at least two), and from this thread, the consensus doesn't side with what you're saying.

Need to realize the full perspective, rather than mostly one side of things that happened.