Has the Torch Officially Been Passed From Kobe to Lebron?

ChocolateThundr · Post #41 » by **ChocolateThundr** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:18 am

treis wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're right. I must have been drinking so much haterade I missed all of the MVPs and Titles Kobe has been winning.

Apparantly you're not drinking enough.

D-Wade · Post #42 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:18 am

CzBron wrote:I would love to see D-Wade play the Spurs instead. Dominate against softies from Dallas while having luxury of Shaq and Zo inside is completely different thing.

You mean the luxury of a guy (Shaq) who disappeared the entire series until it was time to celebrate? Hell, Zo was more effective in that series than Shaq. All this talk about Shaq commanding the double is irrelevant, because Dallas actually played him even. It was Wade who drew 2-3 guys every time he drove into the paint.

Offensively, Wade did everything in that series by himself.

Also, wow @ "I would love to see Wade play the Spurs instead." That's pretty irrelevant, because it didn't happen. You can't fault Wade for the Spurs losing to the softies from Dallas. The point is, he put together one of the greatest individual performances in the Finals where it mattered the most, and LeBron failed to even put up an AVERAGE performance. Dallas or San Antonio, I could never see Wade shooting under 40% in a 4-7 game span. Never.

LiquidFire · Post #43 » by **LiquidFire** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:18 am

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you can give me any video you want but you cant beat this video, in terms of rediculous no-calls.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_QLTtl6sbnE

is that a 7 step travel? i think its a record

Post #44 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:19 am

IMO, LeBron needs to have continued post-season success to get #1, over say Duncan.

Though by natural progression he will get it, because Duncan isn't getting any younger....

Post #46 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:22 am

Why start this thing again just because of one game?

D-Wade · Post #47 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:22 am

LeRydee23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

you can give me any video you want but you cant beat this video, in terms of rediculous no-calls.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_QLTtl6sbnE

is that a 7 step travel? i think its a record

Figured you'd reply with a youtube video instead of an actual valid discussion.

Who doesn't travel? This is the NBA.

Traveling in the NBA is like holding in the NFL. It happens every damn possession.

& FYI, that video holds no ground because it doesn't dispute a ring.

D-Wade · Post #48 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:24 am

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treis · Post #49 » by **treis** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:25 am

ChocolateThundr wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Apparantly you're not drinking enough.

Shaq was the driving force behind those titles. Kobe had his part, but you can't be said to be carrying the torch if you aren't the best player on your team.

Post #50 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:26 am

ChocolateThundr wrote:LeBron is IMO 2nd best player after Kobe. But no matter how you view LeBron, if he is better than Kobe or GOAT already, I agree that one game does not show anything.

And its not like LeBron had a better individual (If ur comparing them individually) game than Kobe. Cavs team d kept Kobe from receiving the ball under 2 minutes ish to go. And at the end Kobe could have easily shot that 3 but as his trust in his teammates has increased drastically this year, he instead passed it up to a wide open Puke Walton who was too much of a sissy to shoot it.

Methinks that you overstate your point. Walton was by no means wide open. When he got the ball LeBron was right there. No way could he have gotten the shot off uncontested. Pretty remarkable when you consider that it was LeBron that was double teaming Kobe and switched off the prevent Walton from taking an unmollested shot.

Lakersfan23 · Post #51 » by **Lakersfan23** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:26 am

If I were to rank the best players in the NBA, it would go:
#1 Lebron
#2 Kobe
#3 Wade - Finals MVP, has LED his team to a championship, unlike the first two and for this I give him his due

The difference between #1 and #2 is small, the difference between #2 and #3 is large though.

D-Wade · Post #52 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:27 am

What puzzles me the most with this thread is the argument that LeBron James is actually a "good" defender. Hell, some people even call him a "great" defender. That's laughable. The difference remains the same: both players are obviously ELITE offensive players, but Kobe is a great defender and a fantastic shooter, yet LeBron is an average at best defender and a somewhat horrific shooter 50% of the time.

Kobe > LeBron, and it's not as close as people make it out to be.

Post #53 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:28 am

Lakersfan23 wrote:If I were to rank the best players in the NBA, it would go:
#1 Lebron
#2 Kobe
#3 Wade - Finals MVP, has LED his team to a championship, unlike the first two and for this I give him his due

The difference between #1 and #2 is small, the difference between #2 and #3 is large though.

Duncan HAS to be there, somewhere.....

Teen Girl Squad · Post #54 » by **Teen Girl Squad** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:30 am

Saying one is bttr than the other is picking at straws. They are all elite in differeing ways.

LiquidFire · Post #55 » by **LiquidFire** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

D-Whistle wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I basically said that the top 4 players in basketball (no order) are Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, and Wade. Somehow, some jealous LBJ fanboy tried to find an irrelevant way to turn this into a "Bash Wade" thread.

Lol how did i turn this into a Bash wade thread when i said LOL.

your the one who brung it into a wade vs lebron with your stupid ring subject

D-Wade · Post #56 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

Lakersfan23 wrote:If I were to rank the best players in the NBA, it would go:
#1 Lebron
#2 Kobe
#3 Wade - Finals MVP, has LED his team to a championship, unlike the first two and for this I give him his due

The difference between #1 and #2 is small, the difference between #2 and #3 is large though.

I just can't place LeBron or even Wade above Kobe.

Kobe Bryant is the complete package, IMO.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Dwyane Wade
3. LeBron James
5. Kevin Garnett
(Chris Paul, IMO, really has a shot at being the "next")

That's how my "Top 5" would rank.

If LeBron won a title tomorrow, I'd easily place him ahead of Wade.

I just think that not having a title REALLY hinders a legacy. My example is very unbiased as a die hard Dolphins fan: Look at Dan Marino. Greatest numbers, zero titles. His legacy was somewhat thrashed because of the ladder.

LeRydee23 wrote:with your stupid ring subject

Proves your lack of judgment when it comes to professional athletes.

ChocolateThundr · Post #58 » by **ChocolateThundr** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:33 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:Why start this thing again just because of one game?

Absolutely agree.

I think its rediculous for people to change their opinions over one game no matter what their opinions are. And its also rediculous for people to deny that LeBron is an amazing player.

D-Wade · Post #59 » by **D-Wade** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:34 am

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David Robinson · Post #60 » by **David Robinson** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:37 am

See that's the problem. Wade fans come in on LeBron and Kobe threads, and turn it into Wade discussions. :nonono:

Unfortunate.

#50 David Robinson