WC AS snubees

[GJense4181]

If we were going to make an All-Star team of snubees, the starting lineup would have to be 2G/2F/C and the bench could be whatever (since Bosh was the backup *C* on the East).
It'd be:
G Davis/Williams/Parker
G McGrady/Ginobili
F Howard/Jackson
F Marion/Gasol
C Camby/Jefferson/Kaman
with one of Jackson, Chandler, Maggette, Aldridge, Miller, Odom, and Artest getting the 12th spot. It's hard to choose. I'd prefer not to have Chandler or Aldridge (FIVE bigmen?), Maggette/Miller/Artest aren't on good teams, and Odom's stats are lacking. GSW is good enough, I suppose, to have two reps on the snub team.

That team could definitely compete.

[sabi]

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well, the "average" team has played the "good" team twice so far. The result is the "average" team has beaten the "good" team both times...by an average score of +14...and that's pretty good

[CupcakeNoFillin]

This is tough because Davis is one of my favorite players and I wanted to see him in the game, but the crying over stats is pathetic. If you really want to go solely on stats, here... did you forget these ones??

Davis scores 3 more PPG
BD - 850 FG Attempts 42% FG
BR - 707 FG Attempts 46% FG

BD - 18 FG attempts Per Game
BR - 15.7 FG Attempts Per Game

Roy is a more efficient scorer, who just tends to not jack up as many shots per game yet let his teammates get involved. If he wants to shoot up another 2.3 shots per game, hes most likely going to get the 21 or 22 PPG, but its not the way he, nor the Blazers play.

Davis averages 2.5 more APG
BD - 2.91 TOpg
BR - 1.91 TOpg

While BD has more assists, Roy has less TOs. Their A/TO ratio is nearly identical (BD-3 BR-2.94), besides the fact that Roy isnt the main PG, but more like Stephen Jackson to the Blazers.

Yeah and that just shows how valuable Baron is for his team. He's the engine for the Golden State team and we wouldn't be where we are now without him. If you think Roy is a better player just because he takes less shots, then you might as well say that he's better than Kobe Bryant or any other star player in the league who takes more shots.

[MagicalMan]

[GJense4181]

Do we think that
G Davis/PG Williams/PG Parker
G McGrady/G Ginobili
F Howard/G-F Jackson
F Marion/F-C Gasol
C Camby/C Jefferson/C Kaman
could beat
Iverson/PG Paul/PG Nash
Bryant/G Roy
Anthony/?
Duncan/PF Nowitzki/PFBoozer/PFWest
Ming/F-C Stoudemire

[tsherkin]

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Since their winning streak, they have played .500 ball.

Actually, as I said, they're playing above .500 since the streak. 8/15 = 0.533. As a seasonal winning percentage, that'd put them on pace for 44 wins or so.

They have had many close escapes to get their wins and recently they have stopped winning close games, and their unreal home record has begun to come back to earth. Given that it is unlikely that they will become a good road team, this does not bode well for them, nor does the fact that their point differential is 6th worst in the WC. Everything is set up for them to fail in the second half, it is already beginning. In a sentence, the Blazers got lucky for a while but the other shoe will drop soon, if it hasn't already. By March Blazers fans will be talking about lotto balls again while bemoaning the fact that their good start has given them false hope.

I doubt that; even if the Blazers do hit the lottery, which is entirely possible and I admit as much, do you think the Blazers' fans will bemoan adding another lottery pick to a team that will be getting Greg Oden for next season? Let's not be silly here.

More to the point though, do you REALLY think they'll be THAT disappointed in a season where they end up one spot out of the playoffs with a mid- to high-40s record? That's preposterous. Disappointed, sure, but you're being silly.

You're also evading my argument; my point was not that there is an ironclad guarantee that they will make the playoffs but rather that they are on pace to post a very strong record. Consider; if they win 44 games, it will be a 12-game improvement from last year. And that's if they play under .500 ball from now to the end of the season, which doesn't actually seem ALL that likely.

If they play roughly .500 ball (18 wins, let's say, which is .486, or 19 which is .514), then they win 44 or 45 games. That's a very respectable season in a very difficult year in a ridiculously tough conference. You're acting like they're a nothing team when in fact, they are doing quite well.

[bluefear]

im sorry, the EAST ALL-STARS would crush the W/C snubs...some of you guys are really underrating the East All-Stars....

[Dan Z]

Roy is the leader of the Blazers and I don't think anyone thought they'd have 26 wins at this point in the season.

I'm sure that had something to do with him being voted in.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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well, the "average" team has played the "good" team twice so far. The result is the "average" team has beaten the "good" team both times...by an average score of +14...and that's pretty good

So what? The Warriors beat the Spurs all games this season. So Al Harrington is better than Tim Duncan?

[candy for lunch]

Roy is the leader of the Blazers and I don't think anyone thought they'd have 26 wins at this point in the season.

I'm sure that had something to do with him being voted in.

No I'm pretty sure it's the ipod

[theGreatRC]

Don't be surprised to see every coach in the league listening to their iRoy after the AS break.

[The_Believer]

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Baron is like Marbury. Great numbers, but without nearly the impact one would think. He dominates the ball, thus the high number of assists, and is a shot chucker, hence the 22 ppg despite his poor 41/30 shooting percentages. His free throw shooting has went from lousy to excellent, but it's not enough. Not when your team's an 8th seed.

Could Marbury ever play in the clutch and take over games on both ways like Baron? Could Marbs or Roy ever shut down Wade, Kobe, Bron, Melo, AI, etc? Baron locked down LeBron twice this year (the same guy that abused Roy for all you guys who don't know yet...)

And BTW, the Blazers are the 9th seed, and are riding their popularity wave, since Roy is probably the most popular player in the league for the past month.

[Wizenheimer]

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So what? The Warriors beat the Spurs all games this season. So Al Harrington is better than Tim Duncan?

first...I've seen you posting over and over in these ASG threads and almost all your posts have an angry and pugnacious tone...you should try decaf...it's only an all-star game for chrissakes.

second, since you repeatedly state the fact that GS has a better record then the blazers...by one game...which you imply means they are a better team, I thought I'd stick a burr under your saddle by pointing out that portland has beaten the warriors twice so far, and the games weren't close.

What does it mean?...not much at this point, but it's at least as relevant as mid-season records in determining the better team.

I'd anticipate GS will end up with the better record, but at this stage that's not certain.

What seems more certain is that Roy will be in the all-star game this year...and davis won't. Warrior's fans beef should be with the coaches that voted for the reserves, rather then with Brandon Roy. But unfocused anger is like that...that's why decaf helps.

[cb4_89]

its going to be funny when the east smokes the west team.

Come on these snubs wouldn't stand a chance.

[listerine]

Nearly EVERY Blazer fan agrees that Baron Davis is having an all-star season. We all think he was snubbed.

But, every Blazer fan and a majority of Western Conference coaches believe that Roy is having an all-star season.

So why this ripping down of Roy based on stats? It's clear that the coaches were looking at something other than stats when they made their selections (and please, don't anyone display their inner moron by declaring the millionaire coaches were "bribed" by $100 ipods that cost just as much as the average press kit).

And some of the arguments just make no sense:

1. "Stern wants to promote a young, up and coming player." Stern didn't vote. The coaches did. The coaches who need to design game plans around Boy and Davis made the decision. And don't tell me that Stern whispered in their ear. After the Tim Donnaghy fiasco, Stern's smart enough to not tamper with anything.

2. "GS is the better team than Portland." Well, they're so close now, I wouldn't call it. But, at the time the coaches voted (as opposed to the time when it was announced), didn't Portland have the better record anyway?

3. "Baron's stats are better than Roy's." You got me there. There's no denying that. But once again, coaches were looking at something other than stats (and god help you if you reply, "Yeah, an Ipod!").


So, come on, fellow basketball fans. We Blazer fans accept that Baron got the shaft. But Roy's having a pretty damn good year of his own.

[The_Believer]

1. "Stern wants to promote a young, up and coming player." Stern didn't vote. The coaches did. The coaches who need to design game plans around Boy and Davis made the decision. And don't tell me that Stern whispered in their ear. After the Tim Donnaghy fiasco, Stern's smart enough to not tamper with anything.

The ASG is nevertheless still about drawing ratings, and coaches know Roy is one of the most popular/covered athletes in sports nowadays, so they assume he will draw very high ratings. Plus, higher ratings promotes the coaches' teams as well when they draw viewers for their own games.

Even the TNT crew said that Baron and/or SJax should have made it, so that says a lot about how much Baron got shafted.

[GJense4181]

Nearly EVERY Blazer fan agrees that Baron Davis is having an all-star season. We all think he was snubbed.

But, every Blazer fan and a majority of Western Conference coaches believe that Roy is having an all-star season.

Then whom would you bump off besides Roy in favor of Davis?

[The_Believer]

I'd actually go as far to say David West and Roy should be taken off for Baron and Camby. Those guys are top 10 in the league at what they do(BD #9 in R2MVP, Camby=best defensive player this year), but didn't make the ASG. In fact, Camby has never been an all-star.

[MagicalMan]

cmon this is realgm. The only thing that matters here is that you can find stats to back up your argument while ignoring everything that discredits your stance.

[listerine]

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Then whom would you bump off besides Roy in favor of Davis?

I'm glad I didn't have to make that choice.

I'm saying that if Baron got picked over Roy, Blazer fans would say, "That sucks! Roy got screwed!... but Davis definitely deserves it."

I don't see why so many posters on here have to tear down Roy with stuff like, "He's a good player on an average team." or "Paul Allen bribed the opposing coaches with Ipods."

Roy is having an all-star season. Davis is having an all-star season. They both deserve to be in that game. One got lucky, one got the shaft.