What does Kobe think about his 3 Championships?

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Post#41 » by ChargerMan » Fri May 30, 2008 9:45 pm

Both Shaq and Kobe had a lot to do with those championships but Shaq was always the focal point. I would go so far as to say if you put another good swing player on the Lakers instead of Kobe(Mike Miller) the Lakers still have atleast 2 Championships, replace Shaq with a good Center instead of Shaq(Brad Miller) and the Lakers have 0 Championships
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Post#42 » by Lazy Faizy » Fri May 30, 2008 9:51 pm

ChargerMan wrote:Both Shaq and Kobe had a lot to do with those championships but Shaq was always the focal point. I would go so far as to say if you put another good swing player on the Lakers instead of Kobe(Mike Miller) the Lakers still have atleast 2 Championships, replace Shaq with a good Center instead of Shaq(Brad Miller) and the Lakers have 0 Championships




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Post#43 » by Miami's Finest » Fri May 30, 2008 9:52 pm

Why are you Kobe homers so crazy? It's simple... Kobe was a 2nd option on those championship teams... albeit a very good one. But still a 2nd option, Jordan won all his titles as the clear cut 1st option and best player on the team.
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Post#44 » by Lloyd Bonafied » Fri May 30, 2008 9:53 pm

ChargerMan wrote:Both Shaq and Kobe had a lot to do with those championships but Shaq was always the focal point. I would go so far as to say if you put another good swing player on the Lakers instead of Kobe(Mike Miller) the Lakers still have atleast 2 Championships, replace Shaq with a good Center instead of Shaq(Brad Miller) and the Lakers have 0 Championships
You gotta be putting me on with that, are you for real?

While I agree that the offense ran through Shaq in those years are you trying to tell me that Mike Miller would've done what Kobe did to the Portland Trailblazers, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns, Indiana Pacers, New Jersey Nets, etc?

You must be out of your zero Superbowl rings fan mind!
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Post#45 » by GilArenas88 » Fri May 30, 2008 9:55 pm

ChargerMan=NO CLUE
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Post#46 » by Lloyd Bonafied » Fri May 30, 2008 9:56 pm

Nobody other than Kobe Bryant could do what he did on both sides of the basketball court in all facets of the game for the Lakers those 3-peat years!

NOBODY!
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Post#47 » by andrewww » Fri May 30, 2008 10:00 pm

like some posters have said here, kobe was definitely the orchestrator of the big wins in series against the spurs and kings during those years. the lakers couldnt have won without either shaq OR kobe, but kobe was much more of the focal point against those western conference powerhouses, where honestly the real finals were.

nothing against shaq, he deserved those finals MVPs because the eastern representative could never defend him, so shaq just killed them. both were in dispensible, but the lakers had a unique situation where shaq was option #1 and kobe was #1A.

it wasnt like pippen where he was clearly option #2. any knowledgable unbiased basketball fan will tell you that.
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Post#48 » by Miami's Finest » Fri May 30, 2008 10:00 pm

Lloyd Bonafied wrote:Nobody other than Kobe Bryant could do what he did on both sides of the basketball court in all facets of the game for the Lakers those 3-peat years!

NOBODY!

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That statement is almost as dumb as ChargersMan. Mike Miller surely couldn't but many top guards playing with Shaq as dominant as he was for that run would have won.
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Post#49 » by Milan24 » Fri May 30, 2008 10:04 pm

Shaq was definately the focal point of the offense EXCEPT in the last 2 minutes of the games when Philbert used to sit him down because he was a liability at the free throw line.
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Post#50 » by Lloyd Bonafied » Fri May 30, 2008 10:12 pm

Miami's Finest wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


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That statement is almost as dumb as ChargersMan. Mike Miller surely couldn't but many top guards playing with Shaq as dominant as he was for that run would have won.


Really? Tell me who else in the league at that time could've done what Kobe did those years both offensively and defensively. Convince me the players you are about to mention could've brought the same killer instinct, offensive ability, clutch shot making ability, lock down defense,etc. List the players you want me to laugh at, I'll be waiting.
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Post#51 » by Lazy Faizy » Fri May 30, 2008 10:49 pm

Lloyd Bonafied wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Really? Tell me who else in the league at that time could've done what Kobe did those years both offensively and defensively. Convince me the players you are about to mention could've brought the same killer instinct, offensive ability, clutch shot making ability, lock down defense,etc. List the players you want me to laugh at, I'll be waiting.



Don't even bother man.. he won't reply to you. I've seen at least three people, including myself, call him out and he still hasn't directly responded to any one of us.

Well at least he admitted that Kobe was a GOOD second option on those Lakers teams... :dontknow:
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Post#52 » by Flash3 » Fri May 30, 2008 10:58 pm

Miami's Finest wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


:rofl:

That statement is almost as dumb as ChargersMan. Mike Miller surely couldn't but many top guards playing with Shaq as dominant as he was for that run would have won.
In the same manner what Wade was able to do in the post-season a few years ago, very few have come close to what he did, and at the efficiency rating he accomplished those feats at.

It is in the same exact manner that IMO, no one but Kobe Bryant could've done what he (went out and) did during those LA Title Runs.

You can sit here and give me every statistic you want. But, when it comes down to everything, Kobe DID it, and those others you want to say could've done it, just never came close to doing any of it.

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Post#53 » by eatyourchildren » Fri May 30, 2008 11:15 pm

Flash3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

In the same manner what Wade was able to do in the post-season a few years ago, very few have come close to what he did, and at the efficiency rating he accomplished those feats at.

It is in the same exact manner that IMO, no one but Kobe Bryant could've done what he (went out and) did during those LA Title Runs.

You can sit here and give me every statistic you want. But, when it comes down to everything, Kobe DID it, and those others you want to say could've done it, just never came close to doing any of it.

Simple!


Kobe was an absolute killer in the Sac and SA series year in and year out. As Chris Webber puts it--"Kobe is relentless man"
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Post#54 » by Trifecta7 » Fri May 30, 2008 11:23 pm

I think it matters to him but this one probably matters to him possibly equally or more to his 1st one. I don't doubt he wants to silence the media critics that Shaq did everything. Pippen tried to get one outside of Jordan and came very close to it. It's the ego and all great players have it.

Right now, although the situation is not the same, it feels similar to Shaq in 2000 before he won any rings. It was the question that if a Shaq-led team was even capable of winning a championship. He lost on the Magic and he was losing on the Lakers despite one of the teams having 4 all-stars in total. What would of happened if he lost? It would have added to his resume of losing at the big stages. He would have been blasted. But he won and was forever considered a winner.

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Post#55 » by JordansBulls » Fri May 30, 2008 11:52 pm

Kobe had a big part in those Lakers championships and he is the 2nd greatest 2nd option ever. However, one must note that he was considered the sidekick, he even said so himself.

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During their first meeting of the 2003-04 season, Bryant warned Jackson that O'Neal wasn't going to get away with criticising him in public.

"If he starts saying things in the press I will fire back," Bryant said. "I am not afraid to go up against him. I've had it. I am tired of being a sidekick."
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Post#56 » by dockingsched » Fri May 30, 2008 11:56 pm

i seriously doubt kobe considered himself a sidekick and was actually commenting about being viewed as a sidekick by others.
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Post#57 » by chillz » Sat May 31, 2008 12:27 am

Shaq said this after the first win against the Spurs, when Kobe made his 45-point 10-board statement. 'I think Kobe is the best player in the league,' Shaq said. Some wise-cracking wag in the attending media audience laughed, and a couple of others began to follow, waiting to be led into more hearty laughter by Shaq's smile. Only Shaq didn't smile. 'I'm serious,' he said. 'He's the best player in the league.'
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Post#58 » by That Nicka » Sat May 31, 2008 1:42 am

Flash3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

In the same manner what Wade was able to do in the post-season a few years ago, very few have come close to what he did, and at the efficiency rating he accomplished those feats at.

It is in the same exact manner that IMO, no one but Kobe Bryant could've done what he (went out and) did during those LA Title Runs.

You can sit here and give me every statistic you want. But, when it comes down to everything, Kobe DID it, and those others you want to say could've done it, just never came close to doing any of it.

Simple!


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dcash4 wrote:i seriously doubt kobe considered himself a sidekick and was actually commenting about being viewed as a sidekick by others.


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Post#59 » by That Nicka » Sat May 31, 2008 1:43 am

chillz wrote:Shaq said this after the first win against the Spurs, when Kobe made his 45-point 10-board statement. 'I think Kobe is the best player in the league,' Shaq said. Some wise-cracking wag in the attending media audience laughed, and a couple of others began to follow, waiting to be led into more hearty laughter by Shaq's smile. Only Shaq didn't smile. 'I'm serious,' he said. 'He's the best player in the league.'


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Post#60 » by That Nicka » Sat May 31, 2008 1:56 am

Saying Kobe Bryant was Shaq's sidekick in 01 or 02 is like saying Elgin Baylor was Jerry West's sidekick or vice versa... Both were arguably the best at their positions... Elgin was a better scorer, West a better passer, Elgin a better rebounder, West a better defender etc etc... Both DOMINATED

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