Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal

[TommyTheCat]

most lakers fans knew butler was going to be a very good player. the year he played with the lakers he averaged over 20ppg during the last month or two stretch when the lakers were dealing with injuries (odom).

the lakers took a chance and traded a good young prospect who was due a big raise for a gamble on kwame. obviously, that didn't work out to the lakers benefit.

interesting that kwame has netted two all-star caliber players as the main component of a trade


as for the article in the OP. the following quote reminded me of an interview with phil (i believe it was PTI)..............he was asked what his response to mitch was when informed that the lakers could get gasol for kwame.....................phil said 'no you can't'....................definitely a very one sided deal.

Still, it hasn

[Heatmagic84]

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis

[Heatmagic84]

Not true.

They picked up an athletic seven footer in Kwame Brown. Have you heard that he's one of the best post defenders?

Him and Darko will explode any minute now.

[Serpo]

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He wasn't an idiot when it came to the negotiations with the Bulls.

He wasn't in charge in Memphis at that time . Jerry West was.

[Ballings7]

lol at this guy

[LakerFanMan]

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He wasn't in charge in Memphis at that time . Jerry West was.

Im pretty sure he wasn't at the time the deal was made.

Also to people saying others offered better, no one can confirm any of those other so called offers made to the Grizz. No one knows what offers were made, from whom, or even if any other offers were made. Nobody but Memphis and any team that made offers to Memphis knows of other deals. Any of these deals, like the Bulls deal, are really just rumors.

No one can debate the the Lakers got the better end of the deal and that the Grizz probably could have done better though.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

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Can someone explain to me why a GM wouldn`t call every team in the league and try to get the best value?

That is the most incredible part of the article.

[Optimus_Steel]

I don't know what's funnier: Memphis management not admitting that the trade was blown out of proportion, or Lakers fans refusing to believe that it was an unfair deal while claiming that Javaris Crittenton and Marc Gasol are future all-stars.

At least Memphis still has a Gasol on their roster.

The younger Gasol is not even in their roster right now, he is in Europe. Well he can always be in their summer league team roster.

[maradro]

the stinky things about this trade are:

1/they didnt wait till the trade deadline when teams get desperate
2/they didnt call other teams and say "hey, the lakers are offering this, can you top it?"
3/they clearly have no intention of signing other players with the capspace, let alone competing. they are basically telling us fans that they dont care about winning, losing, or the playoffs, only money.

those 3 things are all big no-no's. they all point to under the table, unethical behavior. now i can understand laker fans are happy, and there certainly isnt a single person on this board with the evidence to accuse the lakers organization of anything. but sitting from my desk in chile i have enough information to accuse the grizzlies of sabotaging rest of league because their owner is losing money and wants out.

and LOL at the owner's comparisons (ray allen (old, injured, traded to another conference), KG (traded for a legit young big, other conference), scola (never played for spurs, never will be franchise level player)... he has no clue whatsoever.

[NetsForce]

Kwame Brown is going to make all of you Memphis haters eat your words.

[maradro]

whats the over/under on Kwame even getting another contract? im sure some teams will offer him at least MLE money, but where?

[KB20]

So we stole Pau Gasol, big deal. It's over and I'm pretty sure there is no undo button in the NBA. The Grizzlies screwed up and the rest of the NBA is going to have to deal with a great team for the next 5-8 years.

[Kobay]

lol keep bitching. Aint gonna change the laker roster. Are people scared of gasol because he is 1 time all star from years ago or kobe now doesn't have smush parker, kwame brown and brian cook next to him on the court?

[Iggyemu]

So we stole Pau Gasol, big deal. It's over and I'm pretty sure there is no undo button in the NBA. The Grizzlies screwed up and the rest of the NBA is going to have to deal with a great team for the next 5-8 years.

Yea there isn't anything that can be done. But its fun trying to figure out what the Grizzles were thinking. Usually you dump salaries in order to rebuild. So you intend to make a championship contender. Ok...so how exactly do you intend to win anything when gave a young team their missing piece and you know they'll be standing in your way for at least the next 5-6 years.

See there is nothing from Memphis' end that can justify this deal and thats why we keep talking about it. The Lakers did nothing wrong. They were just a team with Kwame Brown.

[fugop]

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Im pretty sure he wasn't at the time the deal was made.

Also to people saying others offered better, no one can confirm any of those other so called offers made to the Grizz. No one knows what offers were made, from whom, or even if any other offers were made. Nobody but Memphis and any team that made offers to Memphis knows of other deals. Any of these deals, like the Bulls deal, are really just rumors.

No one can debate the the Lakers got the better end of the deal and that the Grizz probably could have done better though.

The article at the beginning of this thread reports:

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis

[LakerFanMan]

An anonymous source is as good as a rumor.

Either way it doesn't matter. There is already another thread on this topic on the general board and there has been countless threads since the trade was made. The Lakers got the better end of the deal, easily. It's not the first bad trade in NBA history and definitly wont be the last.

[Serpo]

Well thats true but now coming out months after the trade and suggesting : " we should have tried harder " is pretty hillarious .

Of course they should they still had two weeks and maybe would still have found something better . Why in the world do you come out now ?

Seek some publicy ? BINGO .

[Captain_Obvious]

Here’s Cuban, in more depth, on a variety of subjects:
On the Pau Gasol trade from Memphis to LA: “That Gasol trade was never offered to us. They told us Josh Howard or nothing, and then a week later they did something else.’’

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=467
Josh Howard was really good the first half of the regular season, we still had both first rounders as the Kidd trade happened later.

Anyway, i'm not trying to say that Gasol to Dallas was available or that it was a mistake to not trade Josh for Pau. Its obvious now.

Their demand of Howard for Gasol tells you how high they valued Pau at that time. Just a week later they turn around and give him away for much much less?

[miller31time]

Because people constantly complain about how unfair that trade was, but they forget how we got Kwame... We traded Caron Butler, a legit All-Star. So it all evened out in the end for the Lakers.

I remember pretty much every Wizards fan getting into constant arguments with every Lakers fan over that trade. LA said that they didn't need Caron, nor did he fit into what they were trying to build, and that they needed and loved the post-defense of Kwame.

According to Laker fans, at the time, it was an acceptable and good trade.

Now, looking back with the 20/20 vision we have, it was awful for the Lakers and incredible for Washington, but we can't act like it was highway robbery at the time, because the Lakers section on RealGM circa 2005 would vehemently disagree with you.

[Trifecta7]

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I remember pretty much every Wizards fan getting into constant arguments with every Lakers fan over that trade. LA said that they didn't need Caron, nor did he fit into what they were trying to build, and that they needed and loved the post-defense of Kwame.

According to Laker fans, at the time, it was an acceptable and good trade.

Now, looking back with the 20/20 vision we have, it was awful for the Lakers and incredible for Washington, but we can't act like it was highway robbery at the time, because the Lakers section on RealGM circa 2005 would vehemently disagree with you.

That's true. A lot of Laker fans over various forums believed in his potential and that he was just in a bad situation in Washington. He was suppose to be a PF for the Lakers. The Lakers had too many SFs at the time. Plus Caron was not an all-star yet. The highest point of the Kwame hype was the 05-06 playoffs against the Suns.

After that season was over, Phil gave Kwame a paper with 15/10 written on it. That was what he was suppose to aim for the next season. I think a red flag appeared when I read article that the Lakers organization were going to watch him closer in the offseason to make sure he was working on his basketball game.

There were still doubters though. Some people believed the chemistry of Caron-Kobe was worth keeping. And I know a few Laker fans in DC who thought this trade was horrible because Kwame is not a basketball player.

This trade also happened pretty early in the offseason (July). I think Mitch traded too fast instead of exploring his options.