The Milwauke Bucks, one of the great Mysteries of the league

Baddy Chuck · Post #41 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:39 pm

A person who hates Jennings and probably doesn't watch many, if any Bucks games besides against the Rockets thinks Ridnour is better then Jennings? I'm stun.

DanoMac · Post #42 » by **DanoMac** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:41 pm

Guy986 wrote:Where do you draw the line if you call Delfino and Bell above average? Bell is good but at 6'3 he's undersized against most wing scorer in the league. I don't know too many 6'3 defenders who are considered above average. Joe Dumar, he is not.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/78286612.html

Bell is being asked to defend against Orlando shooting guard Vince Carter and Chicago point guard Derrick Rose.

And Bell also has done the dirty work on elite scorers during his five seasons in Milwaukee.

"He can always guard his own man," said Bucks coach Scott Skiles. "We can put him on bigger people and quicker guards. He's a guy who has a knack of keeping people in front of him.

"He's very good laterally. We're not afraid to put him on anybody."

When Rose started to attack Bucks rookie Brandon Jennings and scored seven straight Bulls points early in the fourth quarter Monday, Skiles switched Bell onto the Chicago star.

Rose scored just one basket in the final 10 minutes and had shots blocked by Bell and Andrew Bogut.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/bu ... wyane+Wade

Charlie Bell and the Bucks defense did a great job in limiting Miami Heat guard and all-star Dwyane Wade on Saturday at the Bradley Center.

glowsticks · Post #43 » by **glowsticks** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:44 pm

DannoMac20 wrote:
mindframe wrote:I give major props to the team, especially since it's one of the worst cities to have a sports franchise. Chicago is an hour to an hour and a half away by car, and they've got Minnesota not to far away either.

What does Minnesota being the next state over have to do with it being a bad city for a sports franchise? To be a good franchise you need to start winning games. The Brewers have done it and nearly every Brewers home game is a sell out now. It happened to the Bucks in 2000. The Bucks were maybe the 3rd most successful franchise in the 70s behind the Celtics and Lakers. We're temporarily down, we're not out...

It has to do with your market being saturated. Your team is losing revenue, as well as some other teams such as the pacers.

Post #44 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:45 pm

DannoMac20 wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:Skiles teams overachieve. Until they zone him out. Then they underachieve. It is the circle of Skiles.

Skiles is a great coach, and the Bucks don't have hotheads like Tyrus Thomas to send Skiles to the looney bin like Chicago.

It wasn't Tyrus Thomas at ALL. It was Ben Wallace. It was also his insane coaching philosophies like double-teaming guys like Desmond Mason in the post.

Baddy Chuck · Post #45 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:47 pm

Guy986 wrote:Their starting PG shoots 3/14 from the field every game.

And contributes in no other way to the game right?

Guy986 · Post #46 » by **Guy986** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:47 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:A person who hates Jennings and probably doesn't watch many, if any Bucks games besides against the Rockets thinks Ridnour is better then Jennings? I'm stun.

I've seen alot of Bucks games this year. Other than the Rockets, Bucks is the team i've watched the most of this year. Admittedly, i watch them alot of the times just to see Jennings chuck. Like the last game against the Pistons. Jennings was horrendous throughout but he sealed the game by chasing down the rebound that Ben Wallace tapped out. I have to admit that he has won a few games for the Bucks this year with his clutch FTs and generally being at the right place at the right time.

Trust me dude, i've watched plenty of Bucks games this year.

chuckleslove · Post #47 » by **chuckleslove** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:50 pm

Guy986 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:A person who hates Jennings and probably doesn't watch many, if any Bucks games besides against the Rockets thinks Ridnour is better then Jennings? I'm stun.

I've seen alot of Bucks games this year. Other than the Rockets, Bucks is the team i've watched the most of this year. Admittedly, i watch them alot of the times just to see Jennings chuck. Like the last game against the Pistons. Jennings was horrendous throughout but he sealed the game by chasing down the rebound that Ben Wallace tapped out. I have to admit that he has won a few games for the Bucks this year with his clutch FTs and generally being at the right place at the right time.

Trust me dude, i've watched plenty of Bucks games this year.

If you watched a lot of Bucks games you wouldn't have said Jennings isn't the best PG on the team. While he has had a lot of struggles after a very hot start Ridnour has as well. When Jennings is on the court our team performs leaps and bounds better than when Ridnour is nearly every single night.

Henry Turner · Post #48 » by **Henry Turner** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:50 pm

And they still race for the playoffs, hope they will be able to race for the 8th seed till the end.
Bogut's stats are quite impressive btw: 16 pts 10 reb 2 assists 2 blocks in 32 min. Probably the 2nd best center of the league behind dwight.

DanoMac · Post #49 » by **DanoMac** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:51 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:
DannoMac20 wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:Skiles teams overachieve. Until they zone him out. Then they underachieve. It is the circle of Skiles.

Skiles is a great coach, and the Bucks don't have hotheads like Tyrus Thomas to send Skiles to the looney bin like Chicago.

It wasn't Tyrus Thomas at ALL. It was Ben Wallace. It was also his insane coaching philosophies like double-teaming guys like Desmond Mason in the post.

Maybe it was Wallace, but Tyrus Thomas did cause his fair share of problems, too. Such as Skiles criticizing him for not running down the court and for half assing it.

DanoMac · Post #50 » by **DanoMac** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:52 pm

Guy986 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:A person who hates Jennings and probably doesn't watch many, if any Bucks games besides against the Rockets thinks Ridnour is better then Jennings? I'm stun.

I've seen alot of Bucks games this year. Other than the Rockets, Bucks is the team i've watched the most of this year. Admittedly, i watch them alot of the times just to see Jennings chuck. Like the last game against the Pistons. Jennings was horrendous throughout but he sealed the game by chasing down the rebound that Ben Wallace tapped out. I have to admit that he has won a few games for the Bucks this year with his clutch FTs and generally being at the right place at the right time.

Trust me dude, i've watched plenty of Bucks games this year.

How can we trust you when the arguments have been completely off base?

chuckleslove · Post #51 » by **chuckleslove** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:53 pm

Henry Turner wrote:And they still race for the playoffs, hope they will be able to race for the 8th seed till the end.
Bogut's stats are quite impressive btw: 16 pts 10 reb 2 assists 2 blocks in 32 min. Probably the 2nd best center of the league behind dwight.

In my mind there is no probably about it. Bogut has quietly developed into the 2nd best center in the league behind Dwight. I'm obviously biased though

LUKE23 · Post #52 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:09 am

The original poster has a massive obsession with Jennings, for whatever reason I don't know, but I think he's responded to every single Jennings topic on the Bucks board despite being a Rockets fan. Seek medical help. In all, the original post was a backhanded compliment.

To answer the question, defense is why the Bucks are in the running for the playoffs. They are 9th in the league in D efficiency, with Bogut leading the way as the second best defensive C in the league (doesn't get nearly the attention he deserves because the Bucks are just not seen by many people outside of Wisconsin). He's averaging almost 2.3 blocks per game while also being an outstanding help and man defender. LRMAM is one of the best wing defenders in the game as well. In general, most Bucks fans had them winning mid 30's, and it looks like they will only slightly surpass that. But the publications that had them 14/15 in the East were only looking at one side of the court.

As far as the future, they badly need a high volume/high efficiency scorer. As long as Bogut and Skiles are there they will be a top 10 defensive team, if they can even get to average offensively, they'll be pushing 45+ wins. Salmons will help but I don't see this player being added until 2011-12.

Post #53 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:14 am

DannoMac20 wrote:
Maybe it was Wallace, but Tyrus Thomas did cause his fair share of problems, too. Such as Skiles criticizing him for not running down the court and for half assing it.

Tyrus definitely caused problems, but that's not what led Skiles to lose the team. Skiles deals with young knuckleheads just fine- he rides them mercilessly.

Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler...they were major headaches too.

Wallace tore the team down because Skiles was told to appease him, so that he wouldn't be disgruntled. So when everybody else was getting yelled at for not hustling, Wallace got a pass. And so the players tuned him out--he lost credibility.

In Phoenix, he and Kidd had a blowout, and Kidd told management that either Skiles goes, or he does. So Skiles went.

Ayt · Post #54 » by **Ayt** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:15 am

Guy986 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:A person who hates Jennings and probably doesn't watch many, if any Bucks games besides against the Rockets thinks Ridnour is better then Jennings? I'm stun.

I've seen alot of Bucks games this year. Other than the Rockets, Bucks is the team i've watched the most of this year. Admittedly, i watch them alot of the times just to see Jennings chuck. Like the last game against the Pistons. Jennings was horrendous throughout but he sealed the game by chasing down the rebound that Ben Wallace tapped out. I have to admit that he has won a few games for the Bucks this year with his clutch FTs and generally being at the right place at the right time.

Trust me dude, i've watched plenty of Bucks games this year.

I have to agree with you. There are many nights Jennings shouldn't play as much as he does. Skiles thinks so highly of him he's letting him play through a lot of mistakes, and that is pretty rare for him. Ridnour has fallen off a lot recently as well so their aren't really many other options.

Most of their success can be attributed to Bogut and whatever two or three role players step up that night. Bogut is probably one of the most underrated players in the league with his excellent defense and new found post game.

Being 2nd in the league in TOV% and 2nd in DRB% certainly helps explain some of their success.

Guy986 · Post #55 » by **Guy986** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:17 am

Can't believe how much hate i'm getting from our friends from Milwaukee. But considering how much i've ripped on Jennings for the last 2 or 3 months, understandable. Hating on Jennings is too easy now. Its considered fashionable by the GB board. Frankly, even i'm tired of it.

I hereby announce my permanent resignation from the Jennings hate club. Sportsworld, you're on your own. I'm going to focus my attention on Trevor Ariza now. Good day.

LUKE23 · Post #56 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:19 am

It's just odd to talk that much about a player from another team. You were even making excuses when he was playing well though, so its very obvious you have zero objectivity on the matter. Is he playing like crap right now? Yes. Does he have a ton of potential? Yes. Has he already shown a ton this year? Yes.

High 5 · Post #57 » by **High 5** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:19 am

It's not much of a story when they're under .500 and out of the playoffs in the East.

Guy986 · Post #58 » by **Guy986** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:20 am

As much as i've ripped on Jennings, i really do still like him. If he can limit his shot attempts, i think he can be a winner in this league. I like his poise, his passing ability and i like that he has stone cold balls. He won a few games for the Bucks with nothing but guts and determination.

lataflava00 · Post #59 » by **lataflava00** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:23 am

bogut is a legitimate big man and has showed that he can carry this team to at least a few wins.

but like youve already mentioned, jennings is too easy to rip on. nowadays 30% is considered a good shooting night for him. he's been absolutely awful and theres no doubt ridnour has been the better pg of the two. you can argue he's a good floor general, but we see the same consistent type of play from the team when ridnour is out on the floor instead of jennings.

Ayt · Post #60 » by **Ayt** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:27 am

High 5 wrote:It's not much of a story when they're under .500 and out of the playoffs in the East.

Sportsbooks had the over/under on them at 25.5 wins. My wallet appreciates that they've already gotten 26 wins.

You are right though. It is sad that a season could be considered very successful yet the team might only win 35-40 games.