Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic?

[Tron Carter]

edit: never lost to cleveland either.

Sorry, must have been last year. But, you guys lost to Dallas this year as well, so whatever. Also a bad loss in Sacramento.

we lost on a last second shot after battling back from a 27-point deficit wihout melo or felton. i'll take that loss with a grain of salt.

[Trader_Joe]

I know.. you'd think they be focused on getting home court back from Indy, but I think they are more concerned about us because they haven't won the Atlantic since 1993-1994.

I find this statement ironic since a lot of the discussion is posted from Nets fans. The Knicks are focused on their own destiny. If the Knicks keep winning the games they should win, the Nets won't catch them.

The dig that they haven't won the Atlantic since 1993-1994 is seriously irrelevant information and again, made as a dig to spark unneeded discussion. I am sad to see that a mod was the one who made said this.

Please.

The fact the Knicks haven't won the division in nearly 20 years is major motivation for both teams.
The Knicks would love to reclaim the title, knock the C's from their throne of 5 seasons and stave off the Nets.
The Nets would love to win the division year 1 in Brooklyn and overtake their cross town rivals.

Someone else in this thread called the division title meaningless.. and it's far from that. I don't think it could mean more to two other teams in the league.


BTW.. last time the Knicks won the Atlantic, they also made the Finals. I've read some Knick fans even compare those teams.

[omerome]

Please.

The fact the Knicks haven't won the division in nearly 20 years is major motivation for both teams.
The Knicks would love to reclaim the title, knock the C's from their throne of 5 seasons and stave off the Nets.
The Nets would love to win the division year 1 in Brooklyn and overtake their cross town rivals.

Someone else in this thread called the division title meaningless.. and it's far from that. I don't think it could mean more to two other teams in the league.

Please?

The Knicks want to win the division not because they haven't won it a while, but because it gives them home court advantage in the playoffs. They have the opportunity and the talent to do so, so naturally, that's a very doable goal. It's not about overtaking cross town rivals or anything. Like I said, if they win the division, the results mentioned previously would speak for themselves anyway.

I mean why would any team want to go into the season only looking to achieve such a goal like that? It should be to put themselves to win as much games as they can and possibly compete at a high level (playoff contenders).

I don't see the division title meaningless. I just think the justification as to why you think the Knicks winning the title as silly.

[Trader_Joe]

what? Are you saying that the Nets have an inferiority complex with the Knicks? Because, since the Nets have moved to Brooklyn, I think it's been the complete opposite. Just take a look at the Knicks message board, there are Nets topics every week that go 4+ pages. Just look how much trash Knicks fans talk about the Nets now, when they never did when we were in NJ. The Nets are relevant in NYC, and the Knicks fans are mad.

This is false and any casual stroll over the Netsdaily will yield comments after comments about the Knicks and how scared they are that the Nets fanbase will go out with a whimper if the Knicks are successful. It's embarrassing.

We want to win the division--it's a priority over catching Indiana--that's why we are focused on it, not because we are obsessed with you.

Said the Knicks fan.

Why is it such a priority?
Wouldn't home-court be more important?

Or is because you haven't won it in 19 years and it would be over the Nets that makes it a priority?


BTW... I never called it the sole reason, but it has to be a motivating factor just like getting your first playoff win in 10 years had to be a goal/motivating factor last season.

Also considering the Atlantic was supposed to be one of the most competitive divisions in the NBA in the pre-season with people expecting a healthy Boston team to take the title and Philly o get 50 wins, that implied major wins and success.

[omerome]

Said the Knicks fan.

Why is it such a priority?
Wouldn't home-court be more important?

Or is because you haven't won it in 19 years and it would be over the Nets that makes it a priority?


BTW... I never called it the sole reason, but it has to be a motivating factor just like getting your first playoff win in 10 years had to be a goal/motivating factor last season.

Again, with these "Knicks haven't done X in X years" argument. It's irrelevant to the team because we're talking about the present, not the past. What the Knicks did 10 years, or even 20 years ago doesn't apply. Why do you and many others like to bring up the same thing?

Seems to me that you are almost concerned that if the Knicks do X in the next X years, you won't have anything to talk about concerning the Knicks. Is that what you're worried about? Honestly, that argument is a desperate attempt to downplay the Knicks. Do you see me talk about when the last time the Nets actually won an NBA finals game?

[Knicks_Fan2]

Said the Knicks fan.

Why is it such a priority?
Wouldn't home-court be more important?

Or is because you haven't won it in 19 years and it would be over the Nets that makes it a priority?


BTW... I never called it the sole reason, but it has to be a motivating factor just like getting your first playoff win in 10 years had to be a goal/motivating factor last season.

If you take your argument to its logical conclusion, winning the title is the priority but it's not the most immediate priority that we can achieve which is winning the division. Achieving that goal is a necessary pre-req to catching indiana and, likely, a necessary pre-req to doing anything meaningfull in the playoffs. In my heart, it has nothing to do with the Nets. Not everyone is the same and I'm sure Knicks fans living around Nets fans will feel differently. Larger fan bases are not homogenous.

[Trader_Joe]

Said the Knicks fan.

Why is it such a priority?
Wouldn't home-court be more important?

Or is because you haven't won it in 19 years and it would be over the Nets that makes it a priority?


BTW... I never called it the sole reason, but it has to be a motivating factor just like getting your first playoff win in 10 years had to be a goal/motivating factor last season.

Again, with these "Knicks haven't done X in X years" argument. It's irrelevant to the team because we're talking about the present, not the past. What the Knicks did 10 years, or even 20 years ago doesn't apply. Why do you and many others like to bring up the same thing?

Seems to me that you are almost concerned that if the Knicks do X in the next X years, you won't have anything to talk about concerning the Knicks. Is that what you're worried about? Honestly, that argument is a desperate attempt to downplay the Knicks. Do you see me talk about when the last time the Nets actually won an NBA finals game?

I think you are being a tad sensitive here.

I don't think it's the biggest motivating factor and may not even be a factor for some players or fans, but for others, clearly it is.

Wiping away the past is important to some and thus others won't be able to say.. 19 years since the last Division title or 10 years since their last playoff win like they did last season.

Fact is this title means more to NY and BK than probably any other team (LAC probably is thrilled to) For BK it would mean a ton to take the title year 1 in BK over their rivals. For NY it gets another monkey off their back and may bring memories back to the Knicks of the 90's, who also went to the Fianls in 1993-1994 the season they won the Division.

And yes.. if you want to talk about 2003, when the Nets last won a Finals game when they lost 4-2 to the Spurs feel free, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Division.

[Nuntius]

Lol to any digs at Knick fans purportedly being obsessed with the Nets given the ridiculously obvious inferiority complex possesed by the latter to the former.

Eh, if anything this thread has proved that some Knicks fans are indeed obsessed with the Nets.

I'm not a fan of either team but the Nets fans are not the ones who seem to have a ridiculously obvious inferiority complex in this thread

[TheToothFairy]

Knicks win again

[TheToothFairy]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

[tsherkin]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Beating the Craptors is an achievement now?

The Knicks took care of business against a .377 team that can't play defense to save its life, I wouldn't be crowing too hard.

[omerome]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Beating the Craptors is an achievement now?

The Knicks took care of business against a .377 team that can't play defense to save its life, I wouldn't be crowing too hard.

But if the Knicks lost to the Craptors...

[TheToothFairy]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Beating the Craptors is an achievement now?

The Knicks took care of business against a .377 team that can't play defense to save its life, I wouldn't be crowing too hard.

Beating any NBA with 2 of your best players out on the road and on a back to back is an accomplishment

[Spicy P]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Amazing how this thread gets bumped up by Knicks fans every time they beat a crappy team. Congrats. You beat an unmotivated and deflated Raptors team without their 2 best players. You guys should start planning your championship parade

[mopper8]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Beating the Craptors is an achievement now?

The Knicks took care of business against a .377 team that can't play defense to save its life, I wouldn't be crowing too hard.

But if the Knicks lost to the Craptors...

...then they'd only be 1 loss ahead of Brooklyn and this thread would be very relevant. Beating a cellar-dweller is what a top-seeded playoff team is supposed to do. Losing to a cellar-dweller when the team behind you is breathing down your neck for seeding, however, is a big deal. There's a reason for the asymmetry in treatment.

[TheToothFairy]

Amazing how quiet this thread gets when the Knicks win ....lol

Amazing how this thread gets bumped up by Knicks fans every time they beat a crappy team. Congrats. You beat an unmotivated and deflated Raptors team without their 2 best players. You guys should start planning your championship parade

What difference does it make who bumps it? I didn't create it. If the Craptors beat em once or twice this would b at 40 pages right now

And last I checked the Knicks had multiple injuries too

[omerome]

...then they'd only be 1 loss ahead of Brooklyn and this thread would be very relevant. Beating a cellar-dweller is what a top-seeded playoff team is supposed to do. Losing to a cellar-dweller when the team behind you is breathing down your neck for seeding, however, is a big deal. There's a reason for the asymmetry in treatment.

So basically it's a lose lose situation for the Knicks. At the beginning of the season when they were winning, it was according to the board here, "it's too early", "they are only winning by shooting an unreal % from the 3pt line", or "because Miami only let them win because of Sandy."

I simply don't understand why people can't give credit to a team that does what they are supposed to do - win. Everything has to end up with an asterisk or a lame explanation. Whatever though, this thread is a testament to the group think of this board.

[TheToothFairy]

...then they'd only be 1 loss ahead of Brooklyn and this thread would be very relevant. Beating a cellar-dweller is what a top-seeded playoff team is supposed to do. Losing to a cellar-dweller when the team behind you is breathing down your neck for seeding, however, is a big deal. There's a reason for the asymmetry in treatment.

So basically it's a lose lose situation for the Knicks. At the beginning of the season when they were winning, it was according to the board here, "it's too early", "they are only winning by shooting an unreal % from the 3pt line", or "because Miami only let them win because of Sandy."

I simply don't understand why people can't give credit to a team that does what they are supposed to do - win. Everything has to end up with an asterisk or a lame explanation. Whatever though, this thread is a testament to the group think of this board.

Exactly, did you see how quickly the excuses came out?..lol

This thread would b 50 pages had nay lost these games

[tsherkin]

Beating any NBA with 2 of your best players out on the road and on a back to back is an accomplishment

The Craptors. .377 team, and your lead scorer was present for the games. Martin, Shump, Felton, Novak, Kidd, White, Smith... The Knicks roster was just fine in this game, that's a pathetic excuse.

But if the Knicks lost to the Craptors...

Then a lot of people would make a lot of noise about a single game. The 72-win Bulls lost to the expansion Craptors in 96, as did the WC Finalist Sonics with DPOY Payton. Sometimes, it's not your night. If the Knicks lost BOTH games, then that would be notable.

[omerome]

Exactly, did you see how quickly the excuses came out?..lol

This thread would b 50 pages had nay lost these games

Yep. That's how it is around here.