2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[OkcSinceSGA]

Don't worry HeLeave regardless.

Really hope so! Ideal scenario is KD never returns, but Warriors start blowing them out every game and win in 5, 6 TOPS. That is likely to send both Kawhi and KD out.

Kawhi is leaving regardless and I am really rooting for him to go to the Clippers. I just hope the Warriors handle business sooner than later. Don't give this raptors team anymore confidence.

Eh not so sure. If Raptors push Warriors amd especially win, I see him staying

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[Vlade Divac]

Without going into every single call especially in first half where
favourite whistle kept Warriors alive, just a list of calls for a total
of 9 points directly GIFTED to GSW - side effect - Raptors into foul
trouble





Klay rim interference automatic 2 points Raptors



Foul on Danny Green not called- ensuing possession Warriors score



Cousins charge (instead Lowry gets 5th personal (2 points)



All ball Siakam - instead Curry 2 free trows (2 Points)



Six players on the court automatic tech (1 Point)

Klay's int was missed, two of the 3 refs were trash. But then again you had more FT than the Warriors, if I'm not mistaking Kawhi had 16, Warriors had 20 as a team. Stop complaining. Your team is fantastic on defense, but they do play very physical and it does depend on whether the refs will let it slide or not. Even on that pick Siakam has his hand over Curry's fingers. It's pathetic to call this all ball.

You got all the chances in the world to win this, don't look for lame excuses.

It’s pathetic that you don’t want to see what everyone else sees. Siakam’s hand is CLEARLY between Currie’s hands (and obviously fingers). Even if it is, fingers on the ball are part of the ball and in rules that is not a foul.

[PizzaSteve]

The easiest way for the league to alter and shape the outcome of a game is simply get Impactful players in foul trouble early

Anyone thinking the league wanted the Raps to take a 2-0 lead while at the same time assigning Tony Brothers and Scott Foster to the same game is delusional.

Those two are hands down, the most corrupt referees working today. Even Joey Crawford was not as blatant as these two chimps.

It's a disgrace.

Kawhi drives. Goes up to shoot. Stripped clean by Cousins. Boogie called for a foul. Curry blindly flings ball in the air that lands at the feet of Scott Foster. Technical foul. Was that also disgraceful?

Plus, in important 4th quarter plays, Kawhi drops his shoulder into Draymond, then travels. Gets the shot and one. Please stop with the refs favoring the Warriors. I forget how annoying I must be complaining about the refs going the other way until I read the Raptors complaining after watching the same game. Selective anecdotes.

Not to mention Raptors went to the line 26 vs Warriors 22, and Lowry fouled out b/c he's not the brightest crayon in the box. 5 fouls and you risk the 6th by slapping Cousins when he's twice your size?

Personally thought that the Raps have received huge favorable no calls of defense both games, especially in the 1st half. Cant see how Raps can complain. That 4th Q was nonstop help, including an incredible tech, a foul on Curry to steal, followed by Van tripping on his own feet a loose ball call on Curry.

I promised my wife to not complain about it though. I saw this as a double digit blowout without all the favorable interpretations. The post above reminds me of the Rockets video....I cant see how Raps can blame the refs for all their missed shots. They got every kind of help, including a jump ball violation, which almost never happens. An overturned out of bounds that wasnt unquestionably wrong by any means (looked like ball changed rotation as it brushed Gasols arm). Curry getting 'physical' defense almost every possession, multiple times, Siaka & Gasol pushing dubs to ground and out of bounds on rebounds. I could make 20 examples, if I wanted to go there.

It is my resolution to make this my last post ever about refs. It is entertainment and the league often instructs the refs in a way that can help or hurt team chances. Part of the game, I guess. Clearly the instructiins include the ABC team, which seem to be seeing a different reality (and hate GS with a passion, never bothering to hide it most the time). Hit your shots and it doesnt matter is the way i plan to go from now on.

[Chanel Bomber]

[OdomFan]

EVERYBODY STOP WHINING ABOUT THE REFS

no.

[everdiso]

EVERYBODY STOP WHINING ABOUT THE REFS

no.

STAHP

[everdiso]

[Darth Celtic]

The easiest way for the league to alter and shape the outcome of a game is simply get Impactful players in foul trouble early

Anyone thinking the league wanted the Raps to take a 2-0 lead while at the same time assigning Tony Brothers and Scott Foster to the same game is delusional.

Those two are hands down, the most corrupt referees working today. Even Joey Crawford was not as blatant as these two chimps.

It's a disgrace.

THIS.

The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business that Silver & Co. aren't just going to leave up to good ol' fashioned competition. That includes steering which teams pick in the draft (i.e. Cavs three no. 1 picks in 4 years, AD gifted to Tom Benson for buying/keeping team in NOLA just 2 months prior to the 2012 draft), All-Star Games (NOLA and LA 3 times each in recent years), and yes, having marquee playoff series going 7 games instead of 4 or 5.

Look up former mafia boss Michael Franzese. During his heyday he was involved with sports betting and said that basketball is hands down the easiest sport to control the outcome of. The refs can essentially take key players out of the equation with timely fouls or let them slide with no-calls. Then, albeit with comparatively lesser frequency, players can point shave. There have been a number of NBA games I've seen in the last 5 years where I've wondered if certain players or teams have been paid to lay down so a series can be extended.

Tony Brothers, Scott Foster, Ken Mauer, Sean Corbin, and Ed Malloy are the league's ref goon squad. When they're on the court, you know the game is fixed.

That first part is tin foil hat stuff. Maybe the first lotto where they grabbed envelopes, but the modern draft lotto can't be faked.

The second part, yeah, i've believed that in the past is true, and I have evidence that it can't be true still.

[Edrees]

Referres changed the outcome of the game. They put all the Raptors in foul trouble making them less aggressive.

They also missed the technical when Curry come on to the court to celebrate plus goal tending by thompson on siakam. Add that it changes the outcome.

Nevertheless, Warriors turned on their A game third quarter raptors couldnt contain.

Van Vleet steal. The ball is loose. VV and Curry give chase. VV shoves Curry. Curry is called for a foul. Your thoughts?

My thoughts are ref whining is for losers. Just like asterisks, or hate threads about great players.

Asterisks are the dumbest thing. The same people who won't give Raptors an asterisk if they win with Durant out would give Warriors one if Kawhi got injured and Warriors won. The whoe asterisk thing is just filtering information to bias your point of view into making a champ seem less legitimate, when other teams have won in similar circumstances since the NBA was created.

[Son Goku 25]

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANN

A RAPS GAME IN JUNE??? WHAT?!

[Danny1616]

Raps have to take advantage of all the warriors injuries! They have an unbelievable chance here, they simply cannot blow it...

If GS is at full strength it is almost imposible to beat them in a series...but now stars are aligning for Raps to take the title...

They still have the core of their 73 win team and just got Cousins back, lol.

That a fair team?

[DingleJerry]

I'm not sure why ya'll bother watching the game if you think it's all fixed.

You can spin any narrative you want to support your preconceived notion or bias. Say from a Raps fan view, they're gonna favor MKE because they have Giannis and he's the next golden boy (while ignoring how much larger Tor is as a city). Go back and read Q1 of game 5 if you want to see some doozies. Then they play the Warriors and now suddenly it's about big markets being favored.

In general people need to relax that every break or call that doesn't go there way is some conspiracy. These calls are very close and can go either way lots of times, and the refs have to decide in a split second. Crap happens, both ways. Its impossible to be perfect and to ref every call and game the same.

At this point after the Donaghy scandal and somewhat clear NBA pushing things their way during the Stern era the NBA stands to lose much much more by a scandal than they have to gain by cheating the outcomes of games. This isn't the 80s/90s when the NBA was still trying to 'make it'. They're there now, they're the #2 sport in the world. They can't have a scandal kill the cash cow now. They've been transparent AF on the lottery and reffing to try and eliminate this conspiracy stuff yet folks maintain.

Key thing to note, is that somehow the refs are fixed and cheating to help both teams, according to their opponents. Obviously that's very tough to do.

[DingleJerry]

Raps have to take advantage of all the warriors injuries! They have an unbelievable chance here, they simply cannot blow it...

If GS is at full strength it is almost imposible to beat them in a series...but now stars are aligning for Raps to take the title...

They still have the core of their 73 win team and just got Cousins back, lol.

That a fair team?

Well no more Barnes and Bogut, Livingston, Iggy are old now. No more Barbosa/Festus/Speights. Just saying GSW depth is nothing compared to the beginning of GSW, those teams were ridiculous and 10 deep.

[510TWSS]

I just want to take a second and shoutout Nick Nurse. I thought the box and 1 strategy was pure genius despite what Curry said. It took the Warriors out of their element and helped the Raps crawl back into the game. The only qualm I really have about his coaching is the use of his timeouts, he likes to use the Phil Jackson 'let them figure it out' approach but it backfired last night.

I wouldn't even say backfired, he did his role, its up to the players to execute. There were ample opportunities and solid looks. Its really all a coach can do.

That 18-0 run wasn't so much the Warriors defense as it was the Raptors just going dead cold. Still a quick timeout coming out of the half would have been nice, you could just tell looking at the Raps body language that something was off.

Pretty much, they basically opened the 3rd with 12 straight empty posessions with like 5 turnovers and missed shots, some makeable some just didn’t go in

[AreBe]

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[Son Goku 25]

Not sure who's a better actor TBH.

Cousins, Curry or Klay.

the man tried flopping for a call and it backfired. lol Klay a funny guy though

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[Shady Franchise]

Without going into every single call especially in first half where
favourite whistle kept Warriors alive, just a list of calls for a total
of 9 points directly GIFTED to GSW - side effect - Raptors into foul
trouble





Klay rim interference automatic 2 points Raptors



Foul on Danny Green not called- ensuing possession Warriors score



Cousins charge (instead Lowry gets 5th personal (2 points)



All ball Siakam - instead Curry 2 free trows (2 Points)



Six players on the court automatic tech (1 Point)

Technically on that last one, Cook is out of bounds while Curry is stepping on the court. That's still only 5 players.

[Shady Franchise]

It's easy for GSW fans to say Raptors should stop complaining. I wonder what the reaction would be if Raptors won.

GSW deserved the win. Raptors need to come out more aggresively game 3 especially Gasol. Hobbled up Cousins should not be this effective.

I think Igudola was faking the injury. If he truly was injured he would not be playing

[SFour]

Don't worry HeLeave regardless.

Really hope so! Ideal scenario is KD never returns, but Warriors start blowing them out every game and win in 5, 6 TOPS. That is likely to send both Kawhi and KD out.

Kawhi is leaving regardless and I am really rooting for him to go to the Clippers. I just hope the Warriors handle business sooner than later. Don't give this raptors team anymore confidence.

Sixers fans rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers...hmm I wonder why

[510TWSS]

Kawhi is hurt . He doesn’t look nearly as explosive as previous rounds . He has no lift.

Warriors are missing their best player, and last night, their 3rd best had to leave early. No excuses.

I LOVE THIS NARRATIVE!

1. Top 3 Warriors players = Curry, Durant, Green. Then maybe Thompson.

2. Thompson didn’t leave “early”, he played 32 minutes. 3rd most for the Dubs last night.

But keep going my friend.

Klay was taken out with 9 min left in the 4th