MJ VS LEBRON VS WHOEVER THREAD

[infinite11285]

Finally, a refreshing topic.

This one is simple.

Why do people care about this so much?

This topic? Who knows, man. It's truly pathetic....

[ProcessDoctor]

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

After that, you have a tier with Kobe, Robinson, Steph, Durant, and Big O.

[Run DLC]

Kevin Durant. Yeah, I said it.

- Stephen A Smith

[KungFuJoe]

Michael Jordan and I honestly think that people that picked Lebron (or really anyone else) just wasn't around to see him when he actually played.

When he played, the question of "Who is the GOAT?" didn't even exist. No one asked it. It was like asking "Is water wet?". EVERYONE knew the answer was Michael Jordan. And they were saying this during his first threepeat.

You could simply take his on court achievements and he would be the clear cut goat just based on that. But when you add in all the other stuff...the flair, the style, the dunks, the airtime, the grace, the commercials, the baggy shorts, every kid wanting to be Like Mike....it just further separates him from the rest of the pack.

[Lalouie]

kaj because he answers to more criteria than all the others.
ie, consider that people have their own idea of what is required of a goat,,,total points, athleticism, smarts, mvp's, rings, go to unstoppable shot, franchise-ness, every level of organized ball, legacy, impact, etc etc etc etc, kareem would be on MORE of those criteria than all others

and where's russell, btw?????????????????????? at the very least you CANNOT have wilt and not russell fer christ's sake!

[GeorgeMarcus]

Really there are 5 players who have an argument (1 of which was omitted from the poll):
Wilt, MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Russell

Among those guys it comes down to subjective weighting. I suppose the faintest arguments could be made for Bird/Magic as well... A player like Kobe couldn't possibly be the GOAT given that he's essentially a worse version of MJ.

[Duffman100]

Jordan. Best player I've seen.

[Duffman100]

inb4 raptors fans wonder why Pascal Siakam isn't on the poll

[Calvin Klein]

Michael Jordan.

[70sFan]

Michael Jordan and I honestly think that people that picked Lebron (or really anyone else) just wasn't around to see him when he actually played.

When he played, the question of "Who is the GOAT?" didn't even exist. No one asked it. It was like asking "Is water wet?". EVERYONE knew the answer was Michael Jordan. And they were saying this during his first threepeat.

You could simply take his on court achievements and he would be the clear cut goat just based on that. But when you add in all the other stuff...the flair, the style, the dunks, the airtime, the grace, the commercials, the baggy shorts, every kid wanting to be Like Mike....it just further separates him from the rest of the pack.

I can say that you simply weren't around to see older players than Jordan... how weak is this argument now?
Plenty of people had Kareem, Russell, Wilt or Bird over Jordan when he played.

[70sFan]

Really there are 5 players who have an argument (1 of which was omitted from the poll):
Wilt, MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Russell

Among those guys it comes down to subjective weighting. I suppose the faintest arguments could be made for Bird/Magic as well... A player like Kobe couldn't possibly be the GOAT given that he's essentially a worse version of MJ.

I'd add Duncan to this list, but you are right. There are GOAT candidates, but there is no GOAT.

[RB34]

Can we not do this for like, one day?

[GeorgeMarcus]

Really there are 5 players who have an argument (1 of which was omitted from the poll):
Wilt, MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Russell

Among those guys it comes down to subjective weighting. I suppose the faintest arguments could be made for Bird/Magic as well... A player like Kobe couldn't possibly be the GOAT given that he's essentially a worse version of MJ.

I'd add Duncan to this list, but you are right. There are GOAT candidates, but there is no GOAT.

Yeah I did think about including Duncan with Bird/Magic for players with faint arguments. I sort of see his case being a diluted version of Russell's, but I can see it for those who rate past eras much lower.

[Narigo]

LeBron James is the GOAT imo
Although I think Jordan peak a bit higher as a player. LeBron prime is longer and has been dominating his era longer than MJ did in his.

[70sFan]

LeBron James is the GOAT imo
Although I think Jordan peak a bit higher as a player. LeBron prime is longer and has been dominating his era longer than MJ did in his.

Why no Kareem then?

[Narigo]

LeBron James is the GOAT imo
Although I think Jordan peak a bit higher as a player. LeBron prime is longer and has been dominating his era longer than MJ did in his.

Why no Kareem then?

Kareem has a case for GOAT as well but his prime is a tier below Bron and MJ imo

[LesGrossman]

I can only laugh at the younglings here writing lengthly essays about why LeBron should be considered G.O.A.T.. Why are we talking about stats shooting or passing here? MJ would simply DOMINATE LeBron. Lets not act like we didnt see LeBron getting intimidated by Pat Beverley only a few weeks ago. He stopped him, and blocked him, while giving up some 60 lbs. What do you think would happen if prime MJ would show up to guard Bron? He'd crap his shorts, then resort to flopping as usual.

[Ill News]

The answer is MJ, but this is so disrespectful to Bill Russell that he's not even included in the poll. OP should be ashamed of himself

[70sFan]

I can only laugh at the younglings here writing lengthly essays about why LeBron should be considered G.O.A.T.. Why are we talking about stats shooting or passing here? MJ would simply DOMINATE LeBron. Lets not act like we didnt see LeBron getting intimidated by Pat Beverley only a few weeks ago. He stopped him, and blocked him, while giving up some 60 lbs. What do you think would happen if prime MJ would show up to guard Bron? He'd crap his shorts, then resort to flopping as usual.

Jordan got blocked by Muggsy...

[Repeat 3-peat]

Jordan.

87'-93'
3x championships
3x FMVP
3x MVP
7x scoring titles(in a row)
6x first team all defense
1x DPOY
3x steal title
recorded 200+ steals and 100+ blocks twice.

32.2 PPG in the RS
34.7 PPG in the PS