2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 5)

[basketballRob]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/final-piece-sold-warriors-drafting-jonathan-kuminga

That is from someone who literally measured him. There is your proof.

Thanks, this is exactly what I thought. I made the 6'9 comment about the fact that the majority of NBA players who are 6'9 are not actually 6'9. Kuminga is clearly bigger than 6'6. I spent years watching Wiggins who is 6'7 play. And Edwards who is 6'5 (people say 6'6 but I'm not sure he's that tall). Kuminga's size, in a world where most measurements oversell height, jumps out. If he has measured at 6'6 he's either grown or that is inaccurate.

we will have to wait til they get remeasured next season, i think having accurate barefoot height measurements is one of the decent league initiatives from the past few years. heights get corrected anyway. gordon hayward was listed 6'6 and BI was listed 6'7 last year, now they're correctly listed 1 inch taller.

for sure though, 6'7 for barnes and 6'6 for kuminga makes no sense to me.

They don't measure them now. Maybe he grew since they measured him in the G-league when he measured at 6'6" or when he measured 6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan at the Nike Elite 100.

Draymond Green is 6'6" so if Kuminga is taller than him you're right.

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[TheLand13]

So I'm just going to come out and say it: the fact that no one in this thread ever once mentioned Herbert Jones performance from last night is a travesty. The man scored 18 points in the last 8 minutes of the game to bring his point total to 25 points. Regardless of the circumstances at hand, that deserves recognition.

[K_chile22]

He's not going to make an all rookie team or anything, but Josh Christopher has quietly had a really nice year. 23-5-4-3 last night

[Duke4life831]

So I'm just going to come out and say it: the fact that no one in this thread ever once mentioned Herbert Jones performance from last night is a travesty. The man scored 18 points in the last 8 minutes of the game to bring his point total to 25 points. Regardless of the circumstances at hand, that deserves recognition.

Ya Herb may not have star power. But he turned himself from a 2nd round pick to being a locked in starter pretty damn quick and most people have no clue it happened.

Im one to not be shy to give David Griffin a ton of crap, but the guy hit it out of the park with that draft pick. Herb is exactly what that team needed. A long excellent defender who doesnt allow the teams to play 5 on 4 on the other end. Herb doesnt usually score a lot, but he shoots it well enough where they cant just leave him and he cuts well enough where he isnt just tucked in the corner the entire time either.

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[DubTheVanDamage]

Thanks, this is exactly what I thought. I made the 6'9 comment about the fact that the majority of NBA players who are 6'9 are not actually 6'9. Kuminga is clearly bigger than 6'6. I spent years watching Wiggins who is 6'7 play. And Edwards who is 6'5 (people say 6'6 but I'm not sure he's that tall). Kuminga's size, in a world where most measurements oversell height, jumps out. If he has measured at 6'6 he's either grown or that is inaccurate.

we will have to wait til they get remeasured next season, i think having accurate barefoot height measurements is one of the decent league initiatives from the past few years. heights get corrected anyway. gordon hayward was listed 6'6 and BI was listed 6'7 last year, now they're correctly listed 1 inch taller.

for sure though, 6'7 for barnes and 6'6 for kuminga makes no sense to me.

They don't measure them now. Maybe he grew since they measured him in the G-league when he measured at 6'6" or when he measured 6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan at the Nike Elite 100.

Draymond Green is 6'6" so if Kuminga is taller than him you're right.

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Kuminga almost certainly has grown since he was measured at 6'6" -- he's clearly taller than Wiggins and Dray. He also seems a lot heavier than 210.

While, as you pointed out, listed heights are often exaggerated, Larry Riley did specifically say they measured him at 6'8" -- not sure Larry Riley has motivation to lie about that on a random radio interview.

FWIW, most of Kuminga's minutes these days are at the 5, although that's a function of the Warriors current rotation. He's likely a 3/4 who can play small ball 5.

[Mbrahv0528]

Not enough Ayo Dosunmu talk in here and it's sad. What he's doing right now as a 2nd pick is more impressive than the "shoe ins" potentially living up to the hype and their high draft pick status

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[nitric0]

Not enough Ayo Dosunmu talk in here and it's sad. What he's doing right now as a 2nd pick is more impressive than the "shoe ins" potentially living up to the hype and their high draft pick status

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He will be starting for the next 4-6 weeks. His talk will increase as he gets more playing time, this is just the beginning.

[srhcan]

Love Kuminga but lets not state it as a fact that he is now among top 3 rookies of this draft class. Let him earn this distinction.

[OGSactownballer]

Liking Mitchell's offense starting to come around.

[Got Nuffin]

I've gotta agree with everyone raving about Kuminga. That kid is a future STAR. Overwhelmingly athletic and so skilled at a young age. His IQ will improve as he plays for the Warriors. Teams are going to regret letting him slip to 8. He will be a scoring machine as he improves his perimeter game. He's fast and strong and no idea how teams are going to defend him as he refines his game. It's really up to him how good he becomes imo.

Scottie Barnes playing injured is showing some damn clutch genes during the Raptors recent winning streak, hitting some huge shots down the stretch and in OT games. Speaking of bball IQ, Barnes could play on any contender right now and contribute and play make for them in a big way, which is rare for a rookie. Can't wait to see him fully healthy again like he was earlier in the season. He's so long and raw it's hard not be excited about his future.

Josh Giddey is a my shock impressive rookie. I watched him in his local league and had no idea he would be this effective in the NBA. He has ridiculous handles for a man his size and his passing is on the money. I have no idea what his ceiling will be and he and Kuminga are even younger than the rest of the class. He doesn't scream star to me but he will be an incredible role player with a shot at being a borderline All Star at some stage imo.

Those are my 3 favourite rookies, but obviously Mobley is a stud and what I have seen of Cade is impressive as well - not sure why his % are so erratic though. Wagner deserves some props as well.

[Madhouse]

Giddey had 24/4/8. His vision is special.

Davion Mitchell is really coming into his own as well. Potential to be the best guard defender in the NBA.

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He looks like Dominique Wilkins prototype at least. It will be scary if he would add shooting and play making. He is 19y old and no one is close physically from this draft.

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[MrBigShot]

I'd say Jalen Green is close athletically but he doesn't have the strength to really show it yet. Kuminga landed in a perfect situation for him. How comfortable he looks off the dribble is probably the most impressive thing I've seen from him, handle tends to be what separates the good from the great wings.

[Vampirate]

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He looks like Dominique Wilkins prototype at least. It will be scary if he would add shooting and play making. He is 19y old and no one is close physically from this draft.

Mobley
Barnes
Kuminga
Wagner

All of of these players have a physical edge of some sort that other talent, including Cade just can't match (no offense to Cade fans, he's gonna be an All Star).

To break it down

Mobley - at 7 feet tall and his wingspan is basically a giant moving tree, no one is touching this. If Mobley gets a knock down shot look out.

Barnes - Physically the closest thing to Kawhi in this draft when considering height, athleticism, wingspan and hand size. Is a great passer and rebounder as well as potential to be a great defender.

Kuminga - A more exaggerated version of Barnes. More physically gifted in terms of raw athleticism but has a worse shooting touch. Natural scorer going to the hoop, he'll probably score 24+ points at some point in his career based on that alone.

Wagner - at 6"10 he has guard like skills and is atm the best scorer in the draft.


All 4 players depending on development and how they address their weaknesses could be potential Superstars down the line.

Cade has Superstar potential as well, however he's very reliant on his shooting and passing game and all around game and less on athleticism so it'll be tougher for him to get there. Good height for a PG though.

[Sphynx]

Josh Giddey is a my shock impressive rookie. I watched him in his local league and had no idea he would be this effective in the NBA. He has ridiculous handles for a man his size and his passing is on the money. I have no idea what his ceiling will be and he and Kuminga are even younger than the rest of the class. He doesn't scream star to me but he will be an incredible role player with a shot at being a borderline All Star at some stage imo.

Those are my 3 favourite rookies, but obviously Mobley is a stud and what I have seen of Cade is impressive as well - not sure why his % are so erratic though. Wagner deserves some props as well.

"Passing on the money" - I'd probably describe it a little better than that.

I doubt there's a better inbounder in the NBA in the entire league, he makes opposing teams look utterly stupid every single game.

He has the potential to be one of the best play makers in the league.

He's creating his own shot and getting to the rim far easier than I ever imagined he would in his first few seasons. It's also actually embarrassing how good he is on the contested boards for a 19 year old white PG, even at 6"8. The sample size is now large enough with opponents and team mates to determine he's elite on the boards for his age/position.

He has as far to come physically as just about anyone in this draft class.

His ceiling is a bigger Jason Kidd - Have a look at their respective rookie years, very similar statistically. Kidd was also a sub 70% FT shooter for the first 6 years of his career and an average 3pt shooter for most his career.

Paul and Harden are the only guys in the league averaging 10+ APG this year, Giddey screams to me as a Nash/Paul/Kidd 10+ APG player once he has better team mates finishing around him, his vision and shot creation for his team mates is not normal, it's even better than someone like Lamelo's imo.

[OGSactownballer]

Giddey had 24/4/8. His vision is special.

Davion Mitchell is really coming into his own as well. Potential to be the best guard defender in the NBA.

Yeah I really like Giddey.

[MrBigShot]

This draft legitimately has like 10 guys that could be multi time all stars if they keep pace with their development. And probably like at least 5 guys you could make a case for as a better prospect than anyone in the upcoming draft.