Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[bananazn]

I know this draft is deemed as bad but its precisely because of its talent homogeneity that picking in late lottery or late 20 has value.
I'd rather pick Proctor or McCullar in the late 20 than Collier in the top 5-10... there will be lot of steals

[ITYSL]

May have already been answered, but what do Pacers fans think will be the starting and closing lineups now? Toppin to the bench in favor of Siakam, and then Hield to start/close? Maybe Mathurin or Nesmith get more starts as well?

[CptCrunch]

Despite how much I dislike Siakam as a 'star' player; he is a solid 2a to Hali's 1b role.

It is good to gamble on themselves this year despite overpaying a bit for an expiring free agent.

Who still remembers the MVP Siakam narrative from the Raptors fan? When Siakam has realistically never been anywhere near top 5 MVP impact at any time in his career.

[Jadoogar]

What's the point of this deal? IND is not a contender with this trade and Siakam does not fit their timeline or a roster need (defense).

Everyone will be clowning IND for this deal for the next few years

Doubt it.

This draft class looks awful. If they bottom out and that 26 pick ends up being good, maybe, but I’m assuming there are some protections on it.

i hate this line of thinking, if you're not a contender, you shouldn't try at all?
Then people complain about tanking and lack of parity. I love this move from the Pacers. They have a young superstar, why not try to surround him with an All-NBA player who is seemingly a great fit.

[Uncle Jeff]

show me proof where raps said siakam was a mvp

[ArksNetsSince99]

Can't believe people are hung up on those draft picks.

Lottery picks are valuable. The Pacers just traded two picks that will probably be in the 20's in a very bad draft. Heavily protected picks are not all that valuable. OKC has so many that they sold a couple to Denver. The Knicks have a few that they can't even give away.

Casuals see "three first round picks" and lose their minds, without taking the time to research where those picks will actually fall.

Can't believe anyone is questioning this trade from a Pacers perspective. This board is so weird sometimes. Everyone thought the Spurs should go all in with a 19 year old rookie, but the Pacers shouldn't have improved because this "doesn't make them championship contenders" and Siakam "doesn't fit their timeline". WTF? They are like 2 games back from a homecourt first round playoff matchup. The Heat made a Finals run last year, the Hawks made the ECF a few years ago. Anything is possible when you play in a conference with the eternally choking Sixers and Celtics.

They are a lot better now than they were yesterday. They didn't give up a starter or a young piece of the rotation. Just a few picks that will be in the 20's. It's a no-brainer.

You forgot two things

1 without Bruce Brown , we not even sure if Denver would’ve won last year , he was critical in some playoff games for you and they just trade him away

2 Nicola Jokic was drafted as 41st pick

[kenwood3333]

Looks like a win win deal

IND gets a solid player with their young PG while giving up very little
TOR gets something out of a FA who wouldn't make sense for them to keep due to the age difference

[fansse]

That’s a great deal for the Pacers.

[Capn'O]

I don't think the Pacers are done. They didn't include Walker and don't have a role for him.

[SkyBill40]

Looks like Obi Toppin is now the odd man out. Wonder if they look to move him or Smith?

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[PhilBlackson]

We got absolutely DESTROYED in this trade!

2 late picks in what is considered to be the WORST in the last 5 years, possibly decade AND we just ensured that the Pacers will be better than us for Scottie's next (and likely final contract). What a f*cking fail and so many levels. Everyone & their mom knew Masai should've done this last trade deadline to not only get more back but a chance to move up in a stacked draft and maybe even a shot at Victor. Instead we got Gradey Dick who doesn't even look like a NBA player and a handful of meaningless picks that will probably be just as useless.

MASAI = JOE DUMARS 2.0

[Jadoogar]

I don't think the Pacers are done. They didn't include Walker and don't have a role for him.

And they still have Hield's salary, they are still very flexible.

[___Rand___]

I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that we got robbed. The 24 picks are probably in the 20s and we allready have too many young guys. Our 2 first round selections can't get playing time so there would be no way we would pick two more rookies and give them playing time. The 26 pick hurts a little bit but I think we can live with that. The only thing that really hurts is the departure of Brucy, but it is what it is. Of course this all changes when Pascal leaves us in the offseason. That makes it from great to horrible, but I guess we have to take these kind of risks with a guy like Hali on the team. You accumulate assets and capspace for scenarios like this. Pritchard set this up pretty great imo. And I really don't see a comparable guy that is available for our picks and some assets..

His name is Bruce Brown ( BB gun ) recent Champion , best Fourth player on a Championship team

You don’t trade for Siakam and give away this kind of player , Pacers just removed themselves from the contention by simply doing that

Toronto won this trade , they traded unwanted piece

Pascal was 2nd/3rd best player on a title team and has since made all nba and all star teams...

Bro this guy is literal insane. Bruce Brown was a guy nobody wanted till he won as a role player on Nuggets. He's of little value to Raptors. He's 6'4" SG/too short for a SF who can't shoot the 3 well who doesn't defend well. Brown's a salary filler.

[WillyJakkz]

Masai screwed up. Should have cleaned house at this time a year ago.

This is fine tbh, its FVV where he screwed up

Yep then waiting too long to move OG and Siakam.

This deal was to look to recoup on what they lost from moving FVV and OG but it doesn't make up for what they actually could've gotten for Siakam had they done this last yr.

[xBulletproof]

Can't believe people are hung up on those draft picks.

Lottery picks are valuable. The Pacers just traded two picks that will probably be in the 20's in a very bad draft. Heavily protected picks are not all that valuable. OKC has so many that they sold a couple to Denver. The Knicks have a few that they can't even give away.

Casuals see "three first round picks" and lose their minds, without taking the time to research where those picks will actually fall.

Can't believe anyone is questioning this trade from a Pacers perspective. This board is so weird sometimes. Everyone thought the Spurs should go all in with a 19 year old rookie, but the Pacers shouldn't have improved because this "doesn't make them championship contenders" and Siakam "doesn't fit their timeline". WTF? They are like 2 games back from a homecourt first round playoff matchup. The Heat made a Finals run last year, the Hawks made the ECF a few years ago. Anything is possible when you play in a conference with the eternally choking Sixers and Celtics.

They are a lot better now than they were yesterday. They didn't give up a starter or a young piece of the rotation. Just a few picks that will be in the 20's. It's a no-brainer.

You forgot two things

1 without Bruce Brown , we not even sure if Denver would’ve won last year , he was critical in some playoff games for you and they just trade him away

2 Nicola Jokic was drafted as 41st pick

Bruce was also on a 1+1 deal, and was probably going to be declined to chase free agents as well. It was setup that way on purpose.

I love all these ______ was drafted with XX pick .... You only know that because it's so rare. Literally it's like 3-5% of picks after 15th end up with a single All Star appearance in their career. Instead of looking at the outliers, go actually read drafts from a decade ago. See how many picks are guys you don't even know the name of. With probabilities and odds the Pacers traded a 15% chance at an All Star for an All NBA player.

**EDIT** Found the actual information -- That non lottery pick includes picks under 20 as well, which the Pacers picks shouldn't be. So essentially a team will get an All Star with those picks once every, I dunno? 15 years on these odds?

Non Lottery Picks(1st Rd) → 35/449 = 7.8% probability of All-Star
Non Lottery Picks(All) → 57/1322 = 4.3% probability of All-Star

[ArksNetsSince99]

His name is Bruce Brown ( BB gun ) recent Champion , best Fourth player on a Championship team

You don’t trade for Siakam and give away this kind of player , Pacers just removed themselves from the contention by simply doing that

Toronto won this trade , they traded unwanted piece

Pascal was 2nd/3rd best player on a title team and has since made all nba and all star teams...

Bro this guy is literal insane. Bruce Brown was a guy nobody wanted till he won as a role player on Nuggets. He's of little value to Raptors. He's 6'4" SG/too short for a SF who can't shoot the 3 well who doesn't defend well. Brown's a salary filler.

LOL everything you stated is simply not true beside his height

[Effigy]

but it's not just a rental, we all know this. I'm assuming he resigns with the Pacers at the 4 year max. I'm not saying there wasn't risk, just that the risk wasn't all that high.

2 of the 3 picks we know will be in the 20s (currently 17 and 27)

The Lakers thought they weren’t renting Dwight Howard for one season when they traded for him either. You can’t assume anything. Siakam may very well still leave. Without a contract extension you can’t assume.

No. That doesn’t apply to top 10 players which Dwight was at the time.

It’s different if every team would max said player. Otherwise guys are just taking the highest offer as free agents.

But Siakam is almost certainly going to get a max offer from other teams also though, so that logic doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe he re-signs, but he COULD leave. It's far from a sure thing.

[bubonicphoniks]

Yawn

Edit: Holy cow 3 frps???

[boomershadow]

May have already been answered, but what do Pacers fans think will be the starting and closing lineups now? Toppin to the bench in favor of Siakam, and then Hield to start/close? Maybe Mathurin or Nesmith get more starts as well?

Turner/Siakam/Nesmith/Nembhard/Haliburton

[ArksNetsSince99]

Can't believe people are hung up on those draft picks.

Lottery picks are valuable. The Pacers just traded two picks that will probably be in the 20's in a very bad draft. Heavily protected picks are not all that valuable. OKC has so many that they sold a couple to Denver. The Knicks have a few that they can't even give away.

Casuals see "three first round picks" and lose their minds, without taking the time to research where those picks will actually fall.

Can't believe anyone is questioning this trade from a Pacers perspective. This board is so weird sometimes. Everyone thought the Spurs should go all in with a 19 year old rookie, but the Pacers shouldn't have improved because this "doesn't make them championship contenders" and Siakam "doesn't fit their timeline". WTF? They are like 2 games back from a homecourt first round playoff matchup. The Heat made a Finals run last year, the Hawks made the ECF a few years ago. Anything is possible when you play in a conference with the eternally choking Sixers and Celtics.

They are a lot better now than they were yesterday. They didn't give up a starter or a young piece of the rotation. Just a few picks that will be in the 20's. It's a no-brainer.

You forgot two things

1 without Bruce Brown , we not even sure if Denver would’ve won last year , he was critical in some playoff games for you and they just trade him away

2 Nicola Jokic was drafted as 41st pick

Bruce was also on a 1+1 deal, and was probably going to be declined to chase free agents as well. It was setup that way on purpose.

I love all these ______ was drafted with XX pick .... You only know that because it's so rare. Literally it's like 3-5% of picks after 15th end up with a single All Star appearance in their career. Instead of looking at the outliers, go actually read drafts from a decade ago. See how many picks are guys you don't even know the name of. With probabilities and odds the Pacers traded a 15% chance at an All Star for an All NBA player.

Siakam will be out of the league before this picks concede so it’s free ride for them , mark my words