NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 5: So who's winning MVP? )

[Cubbies2120]

I just realized that currently the Mavs would be the second seed in the Eastern Conference! So much so for the lack of team success narrative. All the arguments against Luka MVP are being debunked one by one.

The Mavs are just as close to the 10 seed in the West as they are to the 3 seed in the West...

And Denver is as close to play-in as to Boston? Should Tatum get MVP?

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

[Bob8]

The Mavs are just as close to the 10 seed in the West as they are to the 3 seed in the West...

And Denver is as close to play-in as to Boston? Should Tatum get MVP?

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

[Bob8]

Are these Luka fans for real?

I can't tell either...lol. Living in a hypothetical world where...all these players 1. Were not injured, 2. The trades [that likely occurred DUE TO LACK OF TEAM SUCCESS] still happen.

In this hypothetical world, they're 73-9 as well because they face only teams seeded worse than 6 in each conference.

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

[Cubbies2120]

And Denver is as close to play-in as to Boston? Should Tatum get MVP?

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Who on the Suns was having a comparable season and leading the league in many advanced stats?

[Cubbies2120]

Are these Luka fans for real?

I can't tell either...lol. Living in a hypothetical world where...all these players 1. Were not injured, 2. The trades [that likely occurred DUE TO LACK OF TEAM SUCCESS] still happen.

In this hypothetical world, they're 73-9 as well because they face only teams seeded worse than 6 in each conference.

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

[Bob8]

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Who on the Suns was having a comparable season and leading the league in many advanced stats?

So now wins matters only when 2 players have comparable season?

[joesha1698]

Based on the fact that no team with less than top 3 seed has won the ring in the last 10 years..and if we're awarding impact on winning.

JT with boston
Giannas with mil
multiple 3rd seed in the east (orl,ny cleveland, pacers, etc)

minn - edwards
denver - jokic
okc - shia

Honestly, out of all these teams I would say that I would put Shia in my top 3 with Jokic and Giannis. In a perfect world and if we're rewarding impact on winning: Shia probably deserves it over Jokic and Giannis because he's doing it without an experience roster or another allstar on the team. He's not better than them overall but he's probably the most valuable.

1. Shia
2. Jokic (in a harder western conference)
3. Giannis


If we do not account for conference and do top 5:
Boston - Tatum
Minny - Edwards
Nuggets - Jokic
OKC - Shia
Clippers/Mavs - squeezing in Luka because Clippers have no MVP caliber season player, imo.

Out of those 5 based on winning and whos on their roster and injuries, etc
1.shia
2.luka
3.jokic
4.edwards
5.tatum

[Bob8]

I can't tell either...lol. Living in a hypothetical world where...all these players 1. Were not injured, 2. The trades [that likely occurred DUE TO LACK OF TEAM SUCCESS] still happen.

In this hypothetical world, they're 73-9 as well because they face only teams seeded worse than 6 in each conference.

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

That failure brought them Lively and Gafford.

I have already explained to you. They're 20/7 after trade deadline, those straight loses included, 2nd best in the league.

[Cubbies2120]

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

That failure brought them Lively and Gafford.

I have already explained to you. They're 20/7 after trade deadline, those straight loses included, 2nd best in the league.

Amazing! Now as has already been explained, MVP is for the whole season, not for the last 1/3 of the season. If you're interested in shorter period awards, that's what player of the month is for...

[Cubbies2120]

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Who on the Suns was having a comparable season and leading the league in many advanced stats?

So now wins matters only when 2 players have comparable season?

What do you mean 'now'? This has been the case for a while...

Two comparable seasons between elite players, wins come into the discussion. Otherwise it would always be a "Pick the best team in the league record wise, and give their best player MVP' award...

[Exp0sed]

And Denver is as close to play-in as to Boston? Should Tatum get MVP?

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Suns were much better than the Nuggets but Jokic has actually won more games that season than Booker and it wasn't even clear he and not CP3 were the best player on that team. Impact stats favored CP3

Jokic winning more games than Booker should matter more than team record, wouldn't u agree?

Jokic played substantially more games than Booker in 2022, you want to give Booker the MVP based on games his team won when he was sitting out?

Solid logic..

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[ChipotleWest]

I just realized that currently the Mavs would be the second seed in the Eastern Conference! So much so for the lack of team success narrative. All the arguments against Luka MVP are being debunked one by one.

The Mavs are just as close to the 10 seed in the West as they are to the 3 seed in the West...

Mavs magic number to clinch a top 6 seed is 2. They have Hornets and Pistons coming up, but also if Pelicans or Suns lose that number goes down. Pretty much would need to lose out and both teams to win out since they're at 5 not 6 to become a play in team. They'll get a top 6 seed.

[Bob8]

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.



I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

That failure brought them Lively and Gafford.

I have already explained to you. They're 20/7 after trade deadline, those straight loses included, 2nd best in the league.

Amazing! Now as has already been explained, MVP is for the whole season, not for the last 1/3 of the season. If you're interested in shorter period awards, that's what player of the month is for...

I have said numerous times that Jokic will deservedly win MVP. I don't exactly understand what more you want from me. I don't agree with Shai, Giannis...

Btw. Luka was pretty exceptional in the whole season, unfortunately Mavs were hospital in the first half.

[Bob8]

Forgot they play in the same conference, my bad!

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Suns were much better than the Nuggets but Jokic has actually won more games that season than Booker and it wasn't even clear he and not CP3 were the best player on that team. Impact stats favored CP3

Jokic winning more games than Booker should matter more than team record, wouldn't u agree?

Jokic played substantially more games than Booker in 2022, you want to give Booker the MVP based on games his team won when he was sitting out?

Solid logic..

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Are you sure about your math?

[Handlez]

Jokic loses.

Luka wins.

Uh oh...

Luka's coming.

Based on the midseason straw poll, the voters already made up their mind who was going to win a long time ago. Best to put your energy into next season.

Ya I know lol.

Just trying to keep thread alive.

Jokic probably won it long ago and even the herculean effort by Luka and the Mavs won't change it.

[dygaction]

and Mavs looking unstoppable after getting injured players back and making the trade.

During this stretch, their only win against a team top 7 in EITHER conference was...Denver, which was a high quality win to be fair.

Everything else was against teams ranked 8th or worse in their conference.

I just realized that currently the Mavs would be the second seed in the Eastern Conference! So much so for the lack of team success narrative. All the arguments against Luka MVP are being debunked one by one.

The Mavs are just as close to the 10 seed in the West as they are to the 3 seed in the West...

Man, your double dipping to another level...
1. The Kings were top 6 and Mavs were a play-in team during their two-game matchups. So those two games are not only facing top 7, but actually worth more than just two games against anyone else.
2. Mavs stopping red hot Rockets' 11-game and GSW's 6-game winning strikes should be more difficult than winning against teams like MIL, CLE who are "top 7" but were 3w-7l in the past 10.
3. Funny how you know and use "as close to 10 as to 3" as one argument to lower the seeding relevance but stick to "top 7" for another argument...

[AleksandarN]

Are these Luka fans for real?

I can't tell either...lol. Living in a hypothetical world where...all these players 1. Were not injured, 2. The trades [that likely occurred DUE TO LACK OF TEAM SUCCESS] still happen.

In this hypothetical world, they're 73-9 as well because they face only teams seeded worse than 6 in each conference.

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

The only reason Jokic’s 22 roster is mentioned is when Mav’s fans trying use the false narrative comparing Mav’s team to that team.

[AleksandarN]

I can't tell either...lol. Living in a hypothetical world where...all these players 1. Were not injured, 2. The trades [that likely occurred DUE TO LACK OF TEAM SUCCESS] still happen.

In this hypothetical world, they're 73-9 as well because they face only teams seeded worse than 6 in each conference.

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

Heck Luka had a better team last year than Jokic’s team in 22 and Luka didn’t even make the playoffs.

[AleksandarN]

What about Suns having 16 wins more in 2022?

Who on the Suns was having a comparable season and leading the league in many advanced stats?

So now wins matters only when 2 players have comparable season?

It is like a multitude of factors that come into play. Quit being obtuse

[ChipotleWest]

Unlike Denver fans, who never mentioned how bad roster Jokic had in 22.

Imagine comparing the Nuggets '22 roster to the Mavs '24 roster (even with injuries). Luka wouldn't sniff the playoffs with the Nuggets '22 roster...just like that FAILURE to finish top 10 last year.

Denver and OKC were worse than 6? I have to admit they for sure play like that lately.

I mentioned in my other post that the Nuggets were their one quality win during this recent hot stretch. If you include OKC, you're also including the 3 straight L's (2 blowouts) to teams that are 6th or higher. Pick your poison.

Heck Luka had a better team last year than Jokic’s team in 22 and Luka didn’t even make the playoffs.

That's arguable, he only had Kyrie for 20 games and the rest of the team were JAGs.

Dimwiddie was the next best player and he got bought out this season and is on the Lakers bench for the vet minimum.