are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

[Lord Commander]

If both teams are healthy Celtics in 6 in ECF or whenever they meet.

The Knicks will be fun to watch for two seasons before they have to blow it up UNLESS they get a true star who is above 6'5".

The Nets likely will win a title before NYK. But, it might not come until 2031.

Satire right?

I do not believe the Knicks will win a title with this exact roster BARRING A MASSIVE INJURY/UNEXPECTED TRAGEDY TO MULTIPLE TEAMS. Do you?

I was more focused on your last sentence.

[brackdan70]

That’s what everyone said about OG yesterday. Let’s wait and see

They are hard capped at the first apron. They have about 11million to fill 5 spots. They could include McBride in the trade with Brooklyn and then be hardcapped at the second Apron, and have 21 million to fill 6 spots. I can’t see Hartenstein fitting into the first Scenario. The second is possible I suppose. He will make at least mid level money I would think.

If they become a 2nd apron team, they can take a crack at.

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They need to trade McBride as part of the Bridges deal to raise their hard cap to the 2nd Apron. Yes they could in theory .

[strokerace]

Some serious Knicks homers here thinking Brunson is better that Tatum and Brown. When it gets to crunch time, smart opposing teams are going to hunt 6' Brunson like a dog. Brunson might be a better pure shooter than the Jays but can't come close to them in overall game skills.

[omerome]

Some serious Knicks homers here thinking Brunson is better that Tatum and Brown. When it gets to crunch time, smart opposing teams are going to hunt 6' Brunson like a dog. Brunson might be a better pure shooter than the Jays but can't come close to them in overall game skills.

Are the Heat who made the finals the year before not a smart opposing team? Because Brunson averaged over 30 points against them in the postseason. And this was with a Randle playing on one leg.

[bronxknicksfan1]

They are hard capped at the first apron. They have about 11million to fill 5 spots. They could include McBride in the trade with Brooklyn and then be hardcapped at the second Apron, and have 21 million to fill 6 spots. I can’t see Hartenstein fitting into the first Scenario. The second is possible I suppose. He will make at least mid level money I would think.

If they become a 2nd apron team, they can take a crack at.

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They need to trade McBride as part of the Bridges deal to raise their hard cap to the 2nd Apron. Yes they could in theory .

They’re not trading Deuce. So there’s that.

[Yuri Vaultin]

When/if healthy they'll be top echelon.

Big when/if though. Thibs likes to drive fragile players into the ground and turn durable players in to cripples.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Some serious Knicks homers here thinking Brunson is better that Tatum and Brown. When it gets to crunch time, smart opposing teams are going to hunt 6' Brunson like a dog. Brunson might be a better pure shooter than the Jays but can't come close to them in overall game skills.

There was a real discussion going on this season that Brunson should’ve been 1st Team All-NBA over Tatum. Finished ahead of Tatum in MVP and Clutch Player of the Year voting. Tatum is more talented than Brunson, but it’s debatable if he’s better.

And Brunson is absolutely better than Brown. That’s not even up for discussion.

[brackdan70]

If they become a 2nd apron team, they can take a crack at.

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They need to trade McBride as part of the Bridges deal to raise their hard cap to the 2nd Apron. Yes they could in theory .

They’re not trading Deuce. So there’s that.

Yeah I figured, so I think they are capped at the first Apron. Hartenstein would need to take a really severe discount.

[KingofTheClay]

Knicks now have an armada of defensive 3-D wings to throw on the perimeter. Brown will still get his, because he has consistent go to moves that he can rely on and his midrange is mostly unguardable, but I think the Knicks can stymie Tatum and his inharmonious, haphazard assortment of offensive counters.

The Knicks still have Randle and the best scorer (and thus probably best player) on either team, Jalen Brunson. A player that can score with the best of them. Finals MVP Brown has a heavy lift now when he plays NY, to spearhead the team on offense AND defense. He can do it, because Brown has that “dawg” so to speak. But it won’t be easy.

Porzingis is perennially injured unfortunately and Horford has one foot in the nursing home. Horford had a hell of a career, nothing but respect.

So Losing ihart will hurt but it’s likely inconsequential for a Boston team with aging/injured bigs that will likely be playing Tillman/Kornet significant minutes in the playoffs.


TLDR; The Knicks have the best scorer and the best defenders to slow down the Celtics players.

I have them making the finals against OKC/MIN. The Bucks and Celtics tied for 2nd favorites.


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Props to you for being objective.

It’s a thankless endeavor, but I always seek the truth.

An armada of green teamers, all sucking on Tatum’s knickers that they snagged from eBay, are quick to label you as a “hater” or “bad poster” for having valid opinions.


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[UglyBugBall]

Some serious Knicks homers here thinking Brunson is better that Tatum and Brown. When it gets to crunch time, smart opposing teams are going to hunt 6' Brunson like a dog. Brunson might be a better pure shooter than the Jays but can't come close to them in overall game skills.

There was a real discussion going on this season that Brunson should’ve been 1st Team All-NBA over Tatum. Finished ahead of Tatum in MVP and Clutch Player of the Year voting. Tatum is more talented than Brunson, but it’s debatable if he’s better.

And Brunson is absolutely better than Brown. That’s not even up for discussion.

If Brunson is non debatably better than brown, and brown is better than Tatum, than doesn't that make Brunson non debatably better than Tatum also?

[celtxman]

That’s what everyone said about OG yesterday. Let’s wait and see

They are hard capped at the first apron. They have about 11million to fill 5 spots. They could include McBride in the trade with Brooklyn and then be hardcapped at the second Apron, and have 21 million to fill 6 spots. I can’t see Hartenstein fitting into the first Scenario. The second is possible I suppose. He will make at least mid level money I would think.

If they become a 2nd apron team, they can take a crack at.

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Look the fans all need their binkies. Celtics have Juhann Begarin stashed. Here's his evaluation. :


Athletic combo guard with good size … Versatile, can be used in all perimeter positions … Explosive athlete, has NBA athleticism … Great leaper off one foot… Has a great first step … Elite length with a wingspan measured at 7′ feet … Already has a strong body .. Good basketball I.Q … Has a good motor … Decent ball handler with either hand … A joy to watch in transition, loves to run on the open floor … Can be an one-man fast break, he is always a threat in transition … Good passing concepts in transition and improving in 5-on-5 situations … Very good slasher … Attacks the rim whenever he has the chance and finishes strong, he is not afraid to try to dunk against bigger players … His explosive first step helps him in isolation situations .

That was in 2021. Your kid may be good....who knows? But think of it as a low risk pick with upside - down the road.

[RHODEY]

The right way --

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges < White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Bench ≈ Bench
Thibs < Mazz
Rosas < Stevens

Knicks <<< Celtics

I don't think it's fair to say White is better than Bridges. I think it's a toss up.

Where the Celtics have the advantage is that White is the clear #4 whereas Bridges might have to be the number 2. I think the Knicks bench is better than the Celtics bench

I would break it down like this:

Tier 1: Brunson, Tatum, Brown - Brown being the clear #3 here and it's a toss up between Brunson/Tatum

Tier 2 : Holiday

Tier 3: Randle

Tier 4: OG, Bridges, White, Porzingis

Boston has a stronger top 2 and top 6, Knicks have more depth

Celtics are a better team and would be favored in the series. But NY has a real chance to beat them in a series.

I like the tiers.. my take

Tier 1: Tatum, Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG

Tier 4: Randle

Tier 5: Porzingis, Horford, Prichard, Hart, DDV, Mitch


For the Knicks the issue is that Randle can range himself to Tier 2 (during the regular season) to Tier 6 (Disgruntled).
But they are deeper, to (on paper) compete with Boston, they'd need Randle or his replacement to join Tier 2

My Take

Tier 1: Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown Tatum, Randle

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis,

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

[RHODEY]

Some serious Knicks homers here thinking Brunson is better that Tatum and Brown. When it gets to crunch time, smart opposing teams are going to hunt 6' Brunson like a dog. Brunson might be a better pure shooter than the Jays but can't come close to them in overall game skills.

There was a real discussion going on this season that Brunson should’ve been 1st Team All-NBA over Tatum. Finished ahead of Tatum in MVP and Clutch Player of the Year voting. Tatum is more talented than Brunson, but it’s debatable if he’s better.

And Brunson is absolutely better than Brown. That’s not even up for discussion.

If Brunson is non debatably better than brown, and brown is better than Tatum, than doesn't that make Brunson non debatably better than Tatum also?

He absolutely is.

[Sweet Serenity]

Props to you for being objective.

It’s a thankless endeavor, but I always seek the truth.
An armada of green teamers, all sucking on Tatum’s knickers that they snagged from eBay, are quick to label you as a “hater” or “bad poster” for having valid opinions.


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I don’t see chatGPT giving its version of an NBA player a chicken wing shooting form as abhorrent as Tatum’s.

Nor can I imagine CHATGPT adding a large flap of black Velcro right beneath Tatums hairline.


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Obsession can make a person say some rather embarrassing things.

[Sweet Serenity]

I don't think it's fair to say White is better than Bridges. I think it's a toss up.

Where the Celtics have the advantage is that White is the clear #4 whereas Bridges might have to be the number 2. I think the Knicks bench is better than the Celtics bench

I would break it down like this:

Tier 1: Brunson, Tatum, Brown - Brown being the clear #3 here and it's a toss up between Brunson/Tatum

Tier 2 : Holiday

Tier 3: Randle

Tier 4: OG, Bridges, White, Porzingis

Boston has a stronger top 2 and top 6, Knicks have more depth

Celtics are a better team and would be favored in the series. But NY has a real chance to beat them in a series.

I like the tiers.. my take

Tier 1: Tatum, Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG

Tier 4: Randle

Tier 5: Porzingis, Horford, Prichard, Hart, DDV, Mitch


For the Knicks the issue is that Randle can range himself to Tier 2 (during the regular season) to Tier 6 (Disgruntled).
But they are deeper, to (on paper) compete with Boston, they'd need Randle or his replacement to join Tier 2

My Take

Tier 1: Tatum

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Brunson

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

[Yinwest]

Knicks fans disrespecting the Bucks is kinda mind blowing

For the record, as a Celtics fan, i don’t wanna face prime angry Giannis in a dog fight lol

[Sweet Serenity]

Brunson takes a whopping 27 shots a game in the playoffs & all of a sudden he’s better than Tatum

[Sweet Serenity]

Knicks fans disrespecting the Bucks is kinda mind blowing

You just knew as soon they got a lot of hype behind them that we would start going too far & overrating their team.

Need we remind them that they haven’t been to a Conference Final since the turn of the millennium ?

[Sweet Serenity]

If you’re going to do this with the comparison, at least do it right. This looks bias as hell. Especially if you’re giving >>> to everyone, but only slightly for Brunson > Jrue. Brunson is way better than him rn

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

Mikal/OG vs White/Jrue. Mikal/OG are the more versatile defenders. White/Jrue are more capable offensive options. Depending on the build on your team is who you go with here.

Mitch vs KP. They’re a wash when it comes to durability and defense. Both elite defenders that can’t stay on the floor. KP is an elite shooter and much better offensive option. Mitch is the much better rebounder. This one should go easily to the Celtics.

Hart/Divo/McBride/iHart(?) vs Pritchard/Hauser/Horford. I’m taking the Knicks depth here pretty easily. Boston could definitely get another wing to close the gap here with their depth there, but as it stands, the Knicks bench has potential to be amongst the best in the league.

The right way --

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges < White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Bench ≈ Bench
Thibs < Mazz
Rosas < Stevens

Knicks <<< Celtics

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges > White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Knicks’ bench > Celtics bench
Thibs = Mazzulla
Rose > Stevens

Stevens has done a hell of a lot better job than Rose has done.

[Sweet Serenity]

The Knicks are just the 2018/19 Celtics all over again.

Team looks good on paper & will win a lot of regular season games, than the playoffs hit & you remember you’re relying on a 6ft volume scorer to be the best player on your team.