Curry has dominated this era, but would get crushed in the 90's

[Iwasawitness]

Again, no reasoning. You never saw Mahmoud play and haven't watched a bit of footage on top of it.

I never saw him play?

You are the one that said he's Curry's closest comp, which is a hilariously bad comparison to make if you know anything about either player.

It's pretty obvious you're just making disagreeable statements for the sake of making them because of your belief about how good Curry is, without any reasoning behind it.

I'm not the first nor will I be the last to compare Curry to Mahmoud.

Our registration dates also pretty clearly indicate who is old enough to have watched 90's ball and who's not.

At this point I’m fully convinced you’re purposely trying not to make any sense.

[jbk1234]

They still had screens and a three point line in the 90s. Reggie Miller played for the entire decade.

[WarriorGM]

No one's saying Curry wouldn't do well, but he wouldn't be what he is now. Also, Reggie is a 6-7 SG. Comparison is kind of moot.

You seem to put a tremendous amount of stock in height. Klay is also taller and plays SG and SF. You picking Klay over Curry in the 1990s? Because the comparison today is moot despite Klay's height advantage.

I brought this up before but are you taking Wilt Chamberlain (7'1) over Muhammad Ali (6'3) in a fight?

It's not just about height.

The only thing they have in common is that they are both shooters.

Even in terms of just being shooters though there is a lot that separates Steph from both Reggie and Klay. Reggie and Klay are both known for being great catch and shoot snipers. Curry is better than both at that but it tends to get lost in the discussion because of all the other things Steph is better at even in terms of just shooting alone. Curry is a better shooter off-the-dribble. Curry is a better shooter from distance. Curry is a better shooter on volume. etc. etc. Now add to that Curry has a better handle. Curry is a better passer. Curry is a better finisher at the rim. Curry covers more ground. etc. etc.

So yeah whether comparing Steph to Reggie or Klay it isn't just about height. Most of the things that differentiate Curry weigh more on his side of the scale.

Still don't have an answer from you on what shows Mahmoud being more athletic than Curry. Does he move faster? Does he jump higher? How can you tell? Even if for the sake of argument he does, why should that matter? Curry faces far more athletic specimens in the league today.

You're not the only one who is going to end up comparing Mahmoud to Curry? Well you're insisting about talking about the 90s. If your line of reasoning shows anything it is that the 90s are kind of weak if Abdul-Rauf is the best comp to Curry that decade can produce.

[dhsilv2]

Even in his own era he needed a coach to see how he could be better utilised, as has been said he was a fairly good conventional PG when used as such by the not very smart Mark Jackson, but I doubt would have shone in this era as much as he has had Jackson continued to coach him, although it is hard to know how much he was impeded by the ankle problems early in his career. He would need sports science and doctors good enough to get him through the ankle problems in any era, which iirc was mainly footwear and physio/strengthening exercises after exploratory surgery found his ankle ligaments to be intact (I don't know how much ankle arthroscopy they did in the 90s), and a coach able to recognise and utilise his potential would have been necessary in any era.

Short of old style players being allowed to deliberately injure him I don't see his own size or strength or more physical defence stopping him though. The old style centers whom he was a contributor to making obsolete would have to worry about defending him on the perimeter more than he would have to worry about their physicality imo. and people are ignoring Curry's other attributes as has been said, his handle, finishing at the rim, passing although even GSW fans don't like the number of turnovers etc. I am not sure exactly where he stands just now, but he is a career over 90% FT shooter and n has been statistically the very best FT shooter ever for long stretches of his career and that would stand out in the 90s as well. As I have said previously his stamina which has been elite even in this era would be more outstanding back in the 90s, and he might have outlasted the "physical" guys anyway, although the pace was slower then.

His last 2 years with Jackson he was 5th and 4th in VORP...in the entire league. He was already a top 5 guy in the league when being used by Jackson and still just 25.

And again...physical guys? Nobody regularly guarding him back then is meaningfully stronger than Curry. Jordan certainly is stronger but not to the point he'd man handle Curry. You'd have to start putting slower guy on him if you want to actually man handle him and then he'd just run away from them...

[dhsilv2]

What does pointing out a couple of good games mean? These were good players, what Curry would be back then. Not MVP's.

I agree video footage from isolated games is meaningless.

While some questioning of whether he would have established himself as a top 10 or 15 level all time player in that era is probably reasonable even imo, you are essentially arguing he would only do as well as players he is clearly much better than in terms of all round offensive skills. Did any of the guys you mention have his lightning release for a start even considering shooting alone ?, and were they similarly elite off the dribble as well as catch and shoot ?. As has been said he is actually not bad at defending PGs and might actually be better defensively in that era as well.

Watch that clip of Mahmoud. That's Curry.

Curry is 40+ pounds bigger, faster, way stronger, and taller. he has a vastly better handle, finishes at the rim better, longer arms, wider shoulders...

Does this massive difference in size not compute to you?

[dhsilv2]

What does pointing out a couple of good games mean? These were good players, what Curry would be back then. Not MVP's.

I agree video footage from isolated games is meaningless.

While some questioning of whether he would have established himself as a top 10 or 15 level all time player in that era is probably reasonable even imo, you are essentially arguing he would only do as well as players he is clearly much better than in terms of all round offensive skills. Did any of the guys you mention have his lightning release for a start even considering shooting alone ?, and were they similarly elite off the dribble as well as catch and shoot ?. As has been said he is actually not bad at defending PGs and might actually be better defensively in that era as well.

It’s getting redundant.

1) Curry thrives in off ball movement in a motion offense. That’s how he gets most of his quality looks. In the 90s there was a lot less of that type of movement.

2) Payton types being able to put hands on him hurts his offense to some degree. Hell, I watched Davion Mitchell give him a hard time in a few playoff games and for the seventh game Mike Brown refused to put Davion on him at all and went with Terrance Davis…50 piece for Curry. Curry isn’t small but his game is movement, put muscle on him effecting his movement and it has an impact.

3) Punishment inside lowers his drive game or he plays more through hurt. It’s an either or.

Notice, it doesn’t even require the part about having 12 threes per game vs six.

Curry at a Price plus level is basically the Trae Young of the 90s. Again, saying a guy would likely have a HOF type career is not ******* on him. It’s just recognizing the era related factors. Russell would have less impact today…it’s just reality based on how the game was/is played.

1) Curry is in the top 10% of players in isolation. Not being able to use zone on Curry would just make his iso game better.

2) There aren't actually a lot of "payton types" in that era. But what if they do? Curry is as strong as Payton. And Curry actively looks for contact already. We've already seen teams hand check curry up and down the court his whole playoff career. He's shown really no issue beating any team that has tried to iso him with a bigger guard hand checking him. That's how he dropped 40+ on Boston in the Finals.

3) No it wouldn't. Again, Curry is a guy who actively looks for contact, but he's not a high risk guy at the rim either. he's not someone high flying or going out of control when he drives. Curry maintains body control in traffic.

[dhsilv2]

Funny thing is...Mahmoud was a better athlete than Curry.

lol....dude, stop!

[dhsilv2]

There are A LOT of guys who are better pure athletes than Curry.

Mahmoud ain’t one of them

He is..it's evident on tape.

You're just making statements that align with your beliefs, without any reasoning.

Good god for real dude. Go step in a gym and learn what being athletic is. This is getting sad.

[floppymoose]

So not getting into the "athletic" thing, because who the f cares? But the timing on this was funny given the thread:

https://www.nba.com/news/warriors-stephen-curry-first-dunk-since-2019

[LakerLegend]

They still had screens and a three point line in the 90s. Reggie Miller played for the entire decade.

It's easier to set screens now due to freedom of movement. Offensive players can't be touched so it's a lot easier to move your guys around to get screens in the right place at the right time.

[Jamaaliver]

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[JM00n69]

Swap Curry for Stockton straight up in the 90s and have the game be played and called the same as it was, I don't think UTAH gets a chip still. They'd be worse probably without the superstar calls and the way defense was allowed to be played. 90's had a very strong pool of perimiter defenders we haven't had since Kahwi had his run for a few years.

[Ice Man]

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That's some major, major dumbassery. Nobody hurt Mike in his entire career. Nobody hurt anybody back then, except for Mailman taking out Isiah Thomas. I mean, my God, stars averaged 80 games per year. How the bleep could do they do that if all the good players were targeted?

Sheesh.

[WarriorGM]

Swap Curry for Stockton straight up in the 90s and have the game be played and called the same as it was, I don't think UTAH gets a chip still. They'd be worse probably without the superstar calls and the way defense was allowed to be played. 90's had a very strong pool of perimiter defenders we haven't had since Kahwi had his run for a few years.

Reggie Miller got as far as Stockton without a multiple MVP teammate. Drop 2015 Curry in and he would do better.

I get the feeling many people don't understand Stockton was never considered a serious MVP candidate and his individual play never indicated he should have been.

That strong pool of perimeter defenders wouldn't look so tough if they were run ragged by the plays that today's spacing allows.

[prophet_of_rage]

Never change realgm. This is just silly.

Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton and many more who weren't exactly giant physical beasts were stars in the 1990s and yet Curry who is better than all of them wouldn't have been? Yeah right.

Not only better but physically stronger and more athletic.

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[7seventynine9]

I guess he may not have lasted as long given the advances in injury prevention and shoes that came after the 90's. Health permitting, he'd be fine.

[dhsilv2]

Never change realgm. This is just silly.

Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton and many more who weren't exactly giant physical beasts were stars in the 1990s and yet Curry who is better than all of them wouldn't have been? Yeah right.

Not only better but physically stronger and more athletic.

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For sure stronger...I dunno if he's more athletic than KJ.

[prophet_of_rage]

Curry would at best been a Mitch Richmond type. His dad is a good comparison as well. You can't say you can put Curry in the 90s and he would dominate. Different era and rules. Nobody spammed 3pt shots back then, no one ran an offense like that and nobody is gonna say oh hell it's Curry from 2020s let's change our offense for him. No coach is going to do that.

So you can't transport the 90s players because nobody shoots midranges, handchecks conatantly, rtc. Which is fair.

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[JM00n69]

Swap Curry for Stockton straight up in the 90s and have the game be played and called the same as it was, I don't think UTAH gets a chip still. They'd be worse probably without the superstar calls and the way defense was allowed to be played. 90's had a very strong pool of perimiter defenders we haven't had since Kahwi had his run for a few years.

Reggie Miller got as far as Stockton without a multiple MVP teammate. Drop 2015 Curry in and he would do better.

I get the feeling many people don't understand Stockton was never considered a serious MVP candidate and his individual play never indicated he should have been.

That strong pool of perimeter defenders wouldn't look so tough if they were run ragged by the plays that today's spacing allows.

Maybe but we're talking about how Curry would do in the 90s not today. Would love to see how he do against prime MJ and Pippen taking turns on him. You think he'd be a better PG than Stockton was on that UTAH team?

And Reggie made the finals once, end of 90s when MJ and Pippen were done. Are we bringing him up beacause of the 3PT shooting? Bit random, to me

[NBA4Lyfe]

curry would be an updated 02' version of mike bibby

which isn't bad tbh

but their is no defensive resistance in the modern game which is why a 40 yr old lebron is able to put up identical numbers to what he produced in his prime 10 years earlier